Yeah, but we're from from the ghettos man, we be listening to the Wu back in the day. I reckon most middle class kids listening to hip hop thought they were from the streets. Love the inverted snobbery... but it was probably more to do with being embarrassed that you from a 'nice' background. Hectic is still in wannabe gangsta mode though.
Body Found in Tia Sharp's Grandmother's house
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I bet you own seven or eight pairs of chinos, you cnut.
Nah, I was proper street, told everyone I was from Moss Side and all.
The profession has changed a lot. Registered Nurses earn pretty good money and have a lot of career options. If they progress to CRNA, PA, or NP they can earn more than many accountants, lawyers and even doctors.
Personally I think the old class system is not relevant in modern society. Sure their are a few upper class twats but the rest of us work for a living. Difference is some get paid more.
Indeed. Does that make train drivers middle-class, they earn £50k+?
Personally I think the whole concept of the British class system is long out of date, but others obviously don't, so what do folk think?
Yes. And I think most have middle class lifestyles.
So class is down to income, not upbringing or education?
I don't believe your class is directly related to your income, many people in professional jobs earn less than some of those in manual jobs. Like academics, for instance.
There's an attitude to the class you're in, for me. That's why Lord Sugar is still working class in my view.
So for you it's whether you use your hands or your brain?
No, not that either, I suppose it just confuses the issue saying 'manual'. When I said 'manual' I had someone like a builder in mind, I think they'll take home far more than a research academic, who may have studied as far as PhD level. But the builder also uses his brain and has qualifications.
It's nebulous, partly as others have said because so many people stay in education for longer nowadays. My mother came from a poverty-stricken background where her grandmother had been in the workhouse and my mum went to public baths to wash. She ended up comfortably-off and owning a very nice home, but she would have always described herself as working-class and she always voted Labour. Anything else would have been anathema.
They were called the slipper baths in Preston. My mate recently told me all his large family were taken there once a week when he was a kid, and that would have been in the sixties.
I'm still not sure how you decide your classes, though.
Update:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19223085
And an article on Sky's website says that the police checked the area where the body was found last Sunday.
http://news.sky.com/story/971313/tia-sharps-grandmother-is-murder-suspect
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19223085
And an article on Sky's website says that the police checked the area where the body was found last Sunday.
http://news.sky.com/story/971313/tia-sharps-grandmother-is-murder-suspect
Dunno, traditionally it's to do with background and uni education. Which is something many in my family and extended family make a big deal about... If someone's got money they might not have education... and they're looked down on. It's proper retarded and generally people are not classed on individual merit. But yeah, lifestyle...yeah most enjoy middle class lifestyles, the rest is nonsensical...and worthy of people with low IQs.
But I'm a working class Irishman I'm thick as pig shit, a drunkard and prone to murder.
It's bollocks in the modern world really isn't it? Just a set of personal prejudices which one can happily do without.
But I'm a working class Irishman I'm thick as pig shit, a drunkard and prone to murder.
I'm of Irish descent myself. One of my ancestors was an alcoholic priest who died on the steps of his church. I wish I was making this up. Now I went to a pretty rough community college, but I also went to university. My dad loads cargo onto airplanes but my mam works in risk management.
Erica, alastair, where does this put me on the "likely-to-murder" scale?
Erica, alastair, where does this put me on the "likely-to-murder" scale?
Low, because you're working class, soon to become middle-class I imagine.
Erica isn't really middle class she's just a northern Hyacinth Bucket wannabe.
And say I marry a distant relative of the queen, can we cross murder off the list for me forever then?
The class system is redundant these days. Once upon a time if you were born working class it was very hard to get the educations to join the professional middle class.
A better reflection of modern society would be: Poor, Middle Class, and Rich.
A better reflection of modern society would be: Poor, Middle Class, and Rich.
You couldn't do that because you're lowlife scum.
The class system is alive and festering - social mobility is even more difficult than it was 50 years ago.
This is truer than younger people today realise. There was a small amount of movement due to the grammar school system, but even the majority of people in grammar schools were from the same families (like mine) and part of town. It's hard to explain now how kids who failed the eleven-plus, ie 90% of them, had an immediate ceiling put on any ambitions they might have had. There were exceptions, but that's what they were, exceptions.
I'd like to think you're kidding, but...
That's Castro
Unless you're making another point. This is the Caf, can't take any chances.
Indeed.
We don't really know what has happened yet. But you know I believe class is irrelevant. I am basing this on (if I remember rightly) your comments that people in lower classes are more likely to leave their children in the company of convicted criminals. That I think is the crux of it here, I don't believe you actually suggested that those in the lower classes are more likely to commit murder?
There's not much to laugh about if you are low status in the US and UK and hope to see your kids do better.
That's Castro
Unless you're making another point. This is the Caf, can't take any chances.
No, it's Guevara. Though both had fairly similar backgrounds. Castro was the son of a peasant, but a peasant who worked his way up to become a farm owner. He also wasn't a doctor, and Cuban. They both had well off liberal upbringings though. You don't get to piss about on a motorbike journey for a year whilst at medical University if you're a poor working class Argentinian in 1952.
If only they'd put themselves in the shoes of the middle class for a moment, South American history could've been so different.
That isn't what you posted though. You said its worse than 50 years ago.
Measuring social mobility is a bit of a skewed science. Sure kids from lower income families don't generally do as well statistically BUT it not just the money that makes a different its parental influence and attitude. IF a poor kid has the right guidance and works hard they have every opportunity to succeed.
That's Castro
Unless you're making another point. This is the Caf, can't take any chances.
Castro was Cuban, and initially a lawyer by trade.
that was just as true before the eighties when mobility was higher. Unless you think what's behind it is drastically worsening parenting. Which seems rather less likely than successive governments supporting policies that concentrate wealth in the richer strata of society.I always found it amusing how the highest of European society are as inbred as poor mountain clans in the Appalachians in the United States.
Can you play Handel with a banjo I wonder?
Can you play Handel with a banjo I wonder?
That's Castro
Unless you're making another point. This is the Caf, can't take any chances.
It's Guevara!
As far as I know it is pretty commonly accepted that social mobility has been decreasing for decades.
I'm talking about Hectics avatar, which I thought you were talking about. I guess you were just using Guevara as another example.
Edit: Nope, I'm wrong.. hmm, I'm sure I checked that a while back when wondering about the same thing. Oh well! I guess this makes me correct the first time around, just wrong now.