It's a generation thing, Hectic. I'm still in the 1970s remember. If I was young now, I'm sure I mightn't sound so condemning
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It's a generation thing, Hectic. I'm still in the 1970s remember. If I was young now, I'm sure I mightn't sound so condemning
I apologise, I missed it.
You probably have a superior judgement on this than I do, and you make a fair point. I would have thought it was more prevalent among this type of community though. If not, I'm happy to concede the point.
You just don't seem it. No offence intended
Because you're not up your own arsehole?
Nobody is disputing that there are different levels of economic/cultural/social prosperity. It's the judgemental tone that is being questioned.
I think what is out of touch, and I see it a lot on the Caf, is this constant belief that we can live in a purely meritocratic society. I don't think any politician at the moment has that as any kind of goal.
I judge people, as do you. I equally despise the fact that there are people who never work because their parents are so wealthy they don't have to. They are the same to me as the people who don't work because welfare helps them out.
I talk disparagingly of this 4th social class that I believe has built up to its highest level in recent times. What do you want me to do? Praise it?
Yeh, that's the definitely the case with a lot of young people from middle class families. Most people I know went through a period(I did too) of being borderline socialist for a couple of years before they came out the other side and began to think differently. Speaking personally, my views have shifted considerably further right even since I joined the Caf.
Brave Erica, overcoming all the disadvantages of middle-class life and daring to make supercilious insinuations about the poor.
I agree . I'm terribly judgemental
The ridiculous thing is that there is a class of people who look down on the middle classes as common filth who are beneath them. Social elitism is revolting, especially if you were born into the social class you feel so elitist about.
Of course not. I think you are right to point out that there is a disturbing and growing culture among many people in our urban areas that is distinct from what is understood by working class culture, but your prejudice in this instance appears to be irrational and based on a feeling of superiority. At least, that's definitely the case with Erica.
Ironically, it's you who is generalising by labelling the poor all as one. 'These type of people' are not indicative of the poor, they're completely cultureless people who so happen to be poor too.
Listen to yourself
'Completely cultureless'? You're just pulling this stuff out your arse.
I'm probably upper-middle class, I even have a bunch of aristrocrats on my father's side of the family tree. So I think I can say this. Dear Alastair, Erica: stop with this moronic nonsense.
You beat me to it.
That would be more of my mother's side.
You obviously didn't read the riposte which demonstrated how the two cases aren't at all similar, but that's not within the agenda.
How would you describe the girl's family, both close and extended?
A nurse would never have been regarded as middle-class when I was lad.
Thanks for going back and reading it. Its a difficult subject and one that can be quite touchy I think. Wheras I think there is most certainly 4 classes now, I am not sure if people can say that those in the lower class want to wok any less than those in the upper classes. There are so many variables in life. It could be that those in lower classes know more criminals than those in the upper classes simply because its the only way they can make any money to live. (I mean stuff like robbery, drugs etc). Plenty of people in the upper classes have served time for fraud though.
It never fails to suprise me though, the people that come and visit those in for murder, drugs, sex crimes etc. Taking away those that come in from a religious viewpoint, there are plenty that come in that you would consider from the middle and upper classes. Plenty that write too. I often think the females that write and visit, yet have full time jobs and are 'well to do' do so because they have no time in their life for a proper relationship and having someone 'inside' solves this, as well as giving some sort of thrill.
This takes me back to the idea of a certain 'type of person' as opposed to a 'certain class'.
I find it funny that you're assuming what background Hectic's from... based on the fact he's not trying to look down his long nose at the poor little people that populate this place. I have people in my own family and extended family that make me cringe more than you do Erica. Most of them think you're not worthy unless you're a barrister descending from 5 generations of law folk. Heh! We're better than you! Everyone else is an uneducated lower class twonk... everyone except for Cinco that is.
Well, yes I did read the repost.
Both were examples of poor judgement, verging on irresponsibility.The class either falls into has feck all to do with it.
Carry on though, you're coming across as a complete weapon in this thread, its hilarious.
Nouveau riche, philistine people make us higher classes sick, don't they Spoons?
No-one is looking down at poor people. Some people just want to feel as if they're being oppressed.
I respect anyone who works, regardless of what they do and the background they're from. But obviously no-one on the Caf wants to listen to that, because they prefer to feel as if people look down upon them.
I respect anyone who works, regardless of what they do and the background they're from. But obviously no-one on the Caf wants to listen to that, because they prefer to feel as if people look down upon them.
Coming across like a weapon on the Caf generally tends to mean that you're in tune with what most people in society think.
You often do this - you come into threads, post a couple of 'haha, you're stupid' comments, then leave.
I don't know anything about them
I certainly wouldn't describe them as 'cultureless' though, as I very much doubt that's a meaningful description of any group of people on the planet - assuming they haven't been doing some more than usually mental shit in North Korea.
Yeah that was a nice touch. It's good to presume the background of someone as lower and ask them to consider things from a middle class perspective for a change, based on them not assuming the worst about the poor folk. Because someone obviously couldn't be middle class and possibly think otherwise, I mean look at all of Erica's friends and family for example.
Hectic's obviously middle-class, as are most of us posting in this notably daft thread, I reckon
Erica?
Erica?
Yes.
My dad's an accountant and my mother was an English teacher before she died. I suspect that makes me middle-class. I certainly had a comfortable enough upbringing; I went to grammar school and university.
So, as a middle-class person myself, I do wish you'd stop claiming to speak for me, Erica. Especially when your rhetoric is nothing but insulting gibberish denigrating a whole swathe of people whom I suspect you know next to feck all about.
So, as a middle-class person myself, I do wish you'd stop claiming to speak for me, Erica. Especially when your rhetoric is nothing but insulting gibberish denigrating a whole swathe of people whom I suspect you know next to feck all about.
So why spend you're time here?
Actually I don't.
I could get embroiled in this, but whats the point, you're talking shit, everyone is pointing that out to you and its the caf that has a problem.
Its more an IQ issue than anything.
What is a "completely cultureless" person like alastair?
In Hungary there's no correlation between social status and violent crime, actually from middle class upwards the number of killings are proportionately higher, just've read an article a few weeks ago. I doubt it's much different in the UK.
They are like alastair. Calling someone completely cultureless is completely cultureless.
It's as if none of you have watched an epidode of Midsomer Murders. Those toffs seem to spend most of their short lives killing one another over various scandals.
Someone who embraces little or nothing of what being part of a society entails.
For me, the fundamentals are embracing knowledge, showing parental skills and working.
These people do none of that. It's easy to pick up on an obviously dramatic phrase like 'cultureless' but you know exactly what I mean.
An IQ problem
An IQ problem is thinking that these people are just normal members of the working class, that everyone in the world votes left, and that people who try and make the very uncontroversial point that these people are a little bit different from the average are rampant elitist Tories.