That really was a slip up though. Something no team is really able to fully prevent. It's just that they have won every CL game after that and most of them without conceding at all. Their defense last season was really outstanding and it's still very good this year.
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That really was a slip up though. Something no team is really able to fully prevent. It's just that they have won every CL game after that and most of them without conceding at all. Their defense last season was really outstanding and it's still very good this year.
oh yes i agree. where i disagree with @RooneyLegend is that i feel this team with pep are in transition so nothing is set in stone just yet while under Heynckes they hit their peak.
Yeah this one is hard to say for me as well really. Sometimes I feel they have even improved over last season and then there are games where they looked no where near as good as last season but I guess it's natural for a team to not always be at their best which happened even under Heynckes but those are the games I tend to forget about if a team has such a great season as Bayern in 2012/2013. I guess overall they are about as strong as they were last year and if there is a difference in how good they are it's really a tiny one no matter which direction.
Anyone know if any channels are showing their game at Mainz today?
Today against Mainz Guardiola fields a 4-2-3-1
Neuer
Lahm - Martinez - Boateng - Alaba
Schweinsteiger - Kroos
Robben - Müller - Ribery
Mandzukic
Thiago is out with a little injury - he got a hit this week. And Lahm is back as right fullback. Schweinsteiger and Kroos behind Müller. Martinez in for Dante. I can even imagine that he could play similar in Manchester - if he does not play more on ball control. But I imagine he might first try to get a result away and do the ball control match in Munich.
That for sure is the best attacking version (so Thiago/Kroos could change). If you want more ball possession or more security Müller or Mandzukic would get substituted by a double out of Kroos/Thiago and maybe Götze.
Neuer
Lahm - Martinez - Boateng - Alaba
Schweinsteiger - Kroos
Robben - Müller - Ribery
Mandzukic
Thiago is out with a little injury - he got a hit this week. And Lahm is back as right fullback. Schweinsteiger and Kroos behind Müller. Martinez in for Dante. I can even imagine that he could play similar in Manchester - if he does not play more on ball control. But I imagine he might first try to get a result away and do the ball control match in Munich.
That for sure is the best attacking version (so Thiago/Kroos could change). If you want more ball possession or more security Müller or Mandzukic would get substituted by a double out of Kroos/Thiago and maybe Götze.
So Martinez really seems to have done the shift to CB under Pep now?
More often. But it happened before that he switched in the match into defensive midfield or vice versa due to a tactical change. There is a couple of players that are used in various positions during the match. Müller does it depending on the run of the match - but especially him, Martinez, Lahm and Götze have been used in some positions. Guardiola has a couple of "tools" to react on the tactics of the opponent's coach. All talk about easy matches as the results at the end always are positive - but they were not without effort. Some of the coaches had some interesting ideas or at the beginning made it very difficult. Plan A seldom worked in this season - or only against teams like Frankfurt or Hamburg that somehow laid down to get raped...
That is why I think some of the talk here (and elsewhere) is bullocks. The results look like it is easy and every team just donates presents - but in reality most teams are very eager to be the team that beats Bayern first - every coach would like to be the one. Sometimes that seemed to be more important than their own ranking...
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UEFA ordering them to close off one part of their stadium when United play them at the Allianz because of that homophobic banner against Arsenal. 10k fine as well.
Just saw that news, any indication how big of a section it will be? an entire stand would be pretty hilarious, I will take absolutely anything that could possibly work in our favour.
I didn't see the homophobic sign, who was it aimed at?
I didn't see the homophobic sign, who was it aimed at?
It's section 124 which is along the side of the pitch. Bayern ultras unaffected.
Dante is suspended right? So presumably Martinez will fill in or will they go with Van Buyten?
Wow that is absolutely disgraceful, fully deserved in my opinion, although the 10k fine is a bit of a joke.
So what are we talking 500 empty seats, 1000?
So what are we talking 500 empty seats, 1000?
10k fine? Nice to see homophobia being taken seriously.
Section 124 is closed for the game, not that big of a deal, imo, certainly no disadvantage for Bayern. It's where the quiet fans sit anyway (if I'm not mistaken, large parts of that section are usually given to Telekom as part of the sponsoring deal anyway), which makes it even more strange that some people there brought the disgraveful banner with them. It also says Tirol on the right side, so they were a bunch of guys from Austria. I hope they have to pay for it, it cost the club a lot of money and it should be fairly easy to identify them.
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Another potential record for Bayern which I just checked out. Since the group stages were introduced and the modern CL knockout tie came into existence, the record for successive victories in such ties is seven*. Shared by Juventus in the 90s, us a few years ago and Bayern presently.
Beat us and they make it eight and take the record.
Beat us and they make it eight and take the record.
Bayern Ultras about Homophobia
Translation?
They love Man?
The official homepage just announced that Dante extended his contract until 2017.
Translation:
1.Football is everything, including gay.
2. The louder the echo, the longer the way to normality. The finish line won't be reached as long as outings remain an issue.
Translation:
1.Football is everything, including gay.
2. The louder the echo, the longer the way to normality. The finish line won't be reached as long as outings remain an issue.
Snappy slogan that last one. But fair play to them that's more than I think we've seen at any ground over here.
It is actually ironic, because the Bayern Ultras have always had a clear stance to be against homophopia, racism and fascism. The biggest group, the "Schickeria", hosts an annual fan tournament ("Kurt Landauer Turnier") which is accompanied by workshops, excursions and discussions about these matters. All this has been going on for years unnoticed and (of course) unsupported by the Club, which has always seen the Ultras and especially the "Schickeria" group more as a danger than as an asset for the club, and didn't talk or care about the clubs jewish roots. This only recently changed.
The "gay gunners" flag was marked as coming from people from Tirol, which means they came from Austria or even Südtirol/Italia. There is quite a Bayern supporter base there as well, but most aren't Ultras. (especially in Südtirol, separation from Italy is a big issue and both extreme nationalists and neo-fascists make use of this. It was forbidden for decades to wave red/white flags there as these are the colors of Tirol. Maybe that is why the FCB is popular there
)I don't know if anyone knows what fan club or which people were actually responsible for that stupid thing. Unfortunately, the whole block is punished for the doing of maybe just a few deluded fellas.
It's actually a very weird situation. Not only was Landauer one of the most important presidents of the club, he was also jewish. After fleeing from the Nazis, he returned to the club after the war. FC Bayern was friendly towards jewish people, incl. players, while 1860 was the "german" club. Yet they so rarely talk about that. A friend of mine works as a tv-journalist and did a piece about both clubs during the Nazi regime, but the Bayern management was extremely uncooperative and wouldn't give him interviews etc.. Rumor has it that the club doesn't want to blow that trumpet too hard because it might spoil their marketing prospects in islamic countries (e.g. the emirates)... what a world.
I wouldn't put such motives beyond them, but it might also be (or have been) a -possibly smart- policy of not stressing the jewish heritage as to not give idiots a front to attack.
In fact, as you say, FCB has a strong jewish heritage - but never was explicitly "jewish" in culture. BM was founded by intellectuals and students at home in the Schwabing bohéme, and as such it also attracted jewish people, but if you want to label it, it would more be cosmopolitic. The opposite of the typical working-class neighborhood club. Also Landauer was jewish, but also almost a role model of the typical Münchner of that era.
Also the club wasn't exactly a center of the virtually non-existing opposition against Hitler, as some may think now. They pretty much followed suit with every other sports club after Hitler came to power, expelling jewish members etc. Nevertheless they were target of certain repressions, the Nazis obviously didn't love clubs with such roots, while others, like 1860, were supported and favoured by the regime.
Truth is that for decades the club acted as if it didn't exist before 1963 - not entirely uncommon in Germany in the 60ies and 70ies
. And, unfortunately, thought for some period it should be the archetypical provincial "bavarian" club, including team photo shootings in Lederhosen, a mascot called "Bazi" and other such horrors. They seem to find a better path at the moment.
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Interesting formation today...
Neuer - Rafinha, Boateng, Dante, Alaba - Lahm - Schweinsteiger, Kroos - Robben, Götze (Müller), Müller (Götze)
Bench: Starke - van Buyten, Thiago, Ribéry, Mandzukić, Shaqiri, Pizarro
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Pep is a nightmare for any manager game...
Maybe Löw should look - he could field a similar midfield and forward line (only with Reus instead of Robben)
Neuer - Rafinha, Boateng, Dante, Alaba - Lahm - Schweinsteiger, Kroos - Robben, Götze (Müller), Müller (Götze)
Bench: Starke - van Buyten, Thiago, Ribéry, Mandzukić, Shaqiri, Pizarro
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Pep is a nightmare for any manager game...
Maybe Löw should look - he could field a similar midfield and forward line (only with Reus instead of Robben)
1004 out of 1078 passes completed for the entire team.... that must be a record of sorts, that means the entire team averaged 93.1% passing percentage.. which is INSANE.
They are going to kill us next week.
Can't we bribe them to keep the scoreline low ?
Oh sweet Jesus we've got these next week haven't we
They'll respect our club and go easy on us like Barcelona did at Wembley in that 2nd half. I think...
It's gonna be a cricket score.
They'll respect our club and go easy on us like Barcelona did at Wembley in that 2nd half. I think...
i think they will, pep isn't as blood in the water as heyenckes was, he might prefer to play a safe posession game that will aviod injuries, fatigue, and risk, and go for comfortable scorelines.. 3-0 both legs or something like that.
might.
Its going to be two embarrassing 90 minutes. Unless Moyes resigns tomorrow morning that is.
Those passing stats are just sick!
and then we without a manager, will do better? is that what you're suggesting?
What would that change? The team is devoid of confidence, Moyes leaving wouldn't change anything!
However yeah I agree it's in all likelihood going to be a bloodbath.
Yep I think we would do better. Giggs as temporary manager would be a much better motivator, maybe let the players train what they did last year, attacking football passing, linking up or whatever they else used to do because god knows what they do in training with Moyes. Only problem would be the game plan players roles etc but surely Giggs has learnt a bit from SAF all these years? What could be worse than Moyes?
Someone please dig up the stats for Lahm and Kroos. I'm hoping one of them broke 200 passes.
Or Schweinsteiger and Thiago together. Bastian was subbed off for Thiago halfway through the 2nd half, so combining their passing stats should give us an idea.
Or Schweinsteiger and Thiago together. Bastian was subbed off for Thiago halfway through the 2nd half, so combining their passing stats should give us an idea.
No records were broken in terms of number of passes made or touches had by a player. However, Mr. Lahm played over 130 passes (can't recall the exact number, maybe 134) with a pretty decent accuracy of 100%.
I shiver at the thought of playing them next week.
kind of close, kroos got 158 completed passes, lahm 134. But Lahm had a 100% pass completion percentage.