Arne Slot | Liverpool manager (Posture and/or Sack Watch)

Pexbo said:
We moan about similar “injustices” on here. Agreed.

The big difference is that when it’s United:

1. United keep their mouths shut about it.
2. The media is absolutely silent on the subject.

When it’s Liverpool:

1. Their manager doesn’t shut up about it.
2. The media spends the next week forensically analysing it, to the point they spend an hour talking about it in the build up to an unrelated match. It’s then raised constantly throughout the season.
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To be fair you can then see why refs are bullied into making decisions their way all the time. Saves any aggro
 
Cheimoon said:
And now we proudly have this thread:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/playing-out-from-the-back.486426/

Guess some people actually agree with Slot and liked it!
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People are ridiculous. Low block and long ball wasn't the strategy, outside of a few periods of the game where Liverpool were playing into space well and so we squeezed it.

We were mostly playing out of the back particularly through the left hand channel, but when we couldn't beat Liverpool's press we did go longer to bypass it. This is no different to how Liverpool play when they are getting pressed.

15ish % long passes including switches, and 47ish% possession with few dispossessions isn't some away day regressive strategy.
 
Pexbo said:
We moan about similar “injustices” on here. Agreed.

The big difference is that when it’s United:

1. United keep their mouths shut about it.
2. The media is absolutely silent on the subject.

When it’s Liverpool:

1. Their manager doesn’t shut up about it.
2. The media spends the next week forensically analysing it, to the point they spend an hour talking about it in the build up to an unrelated match. It’s then raised constantly throughout the season.
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I remember when Van Persie was nearly killed. Hardly any outrage!
 
They've only lost 1 game and that was against Forest. This Everton game will be tricky I'm really looking forwards to that game.
 
I dont know if it's the squad or manager . They are playing quite good. So credit to him.
 
Lord, please let the media start to give this man the credit he deserves so that we can set in motion the fall from grace.
 
Semper Fudge said:
Are you a Liverpool fan?
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because I posted a tweet about Arne Slot in the - Arne Slot thread?

No, I'm not. I do follow English football, and watched their game vs Spurs, then came across the aforementioned tweet about how they're doing under the current manager, and posted it in the relevant thread.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I'm desperately clinging to my prediction of them absolutely flying and then completely imploding.
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They didn't drop off last year until after they won the league cup. Were still in the hunt for 4 trophies at that point.

Come on season congestion, work your magic!
 
Adz_99 said:
They didn't drop off last year until after they won the league cup. Were still in the hunt for 4 trophies at that point.

Come on season congestion, work your magic!
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They are rotating a bit more and they are playing with a lot less urgency that helps to keep the legs fresh.
 
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Adz_99 said:
They didn't drop off last year until after they won the league cup. Were still in the hunt for 4 trophies at that point.

Come on season congestion, work your magic!
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Around this time last season we were ravaged with injuries and Salah was at AFCON. We went into a game against Forest at the beginning of March with Joe Gomez and Clark starting in midfield. Finished a cup final with Danns, Quansah, McConnell, and Clark playing. Assuming no one gets injured against Plymouth, I expect we'll go into next weeks game with Everton with a fully fit squad.

Players have been managed better this season and the squad is much healthier. We're also 20th for ground covered in the league. Slot apparently had a conversation with Klopp about our breakdown last season. What caused it. I think Slot deserves a lot of credit for how he's handled the number of games.
 
Their injury record is insane, no one comes even close to them in that department. I have no idea what they do with their players, but to have just one player unfit(and he is short term too, Arnold has played most of fhe season anyway) is just unbelievable.
 
Amar__ said:
Their injury record is insane, no one comes even close to them in that department. I have no idea what they do with their players, but to have just one player unfit(and he is short term too, Arnold has played most of fhe season anyway) is just unbelievable.
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20th in the league for distance covered, 11th for sprints.

We work a lot more calculated under Slot.
 
TsuWave said:
because I posted a tweet about Arne Slot in the - Arne Slot thread?

No, I'm not. I do follow English football, and watched their game vs Spurs, then came across the aforementioned tweet about how they're doing under the current manager, and posted it in the relevant thread.
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You bastard!
 
Amar__ said:
Their injury record is insane, no one comes even close to them in that department. I have no idea what they do with their players, but to have just one player unfit(and he is short term too, Arnold has played most of fhe season anyway) is just unbelievable.
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Funnily (or not actually), I just read an article praising the fitness coach Slot brought with him from Feyenoord.

Last year with this fitness coach we had almost no notable injuries. This year without him, half our team is injured for most of the season so far. At Liverpool the opposite happened.

So I don't know what Ruben Peeters gives players, but it seems to work.
 
He's been incredible, just a winning machine!

Waiting for the downfall but it aint happening. He's got a great squad, Kounate and VVD are absolute monsters at the back. Their forwards will get you goals (even donkey Nunez!) but one player that has impressed me the most is Szoboszlai. He's like a stronger and taller version of Park, just keeps on running and pressing. A complete box to box player.

Christ I feel dirty now for praising liverpool and their players.
 
Ayoba said:
He's been incredible, just a winning machine!

Waiting for the downfall but it aint happening. He's got a great squad, Kounate and VVD are absolute monsters at the back. Their forwards will get you goals (even donkey Nunez!) but one player that has impressed me the most is Szoboszlai. He's like a stronger and taller version of Park, just keeps on running and pressing. A complete box to box player.

Christ I feel dirty now for praising liverpool and their players.
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Szoboslai has been a weird one. He looked amazing in his first three months, then dropped off.

This season, his worth has mainly been in his tactical value. The pressing, covering ground, recoveries, passing lanes, all the stuff managers love that fans rarely care about.

But his dribbling, passing and penetration in the final third has been largely lacklustre. He can and does run all day. Which is weird because he arrived as a 10 with passing, shooting and set pieces as his main assets.

The last couple of months, his passing and penetration in the final third seems to be slowly coming back to him. If he can combine it all, he's a genuine world class player in the making. Been great for us since Christmas.
 
RuudTom83 said:
Yeah, that’s got to be the only slight glimmer of joy you can take from seeing Slot doing so well…it takes the shine of Turkey Teeth.
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"Slot is only doing so well because Klopp left him a great side that continue to play in klopp mode"

And

"Klopp will be hating this as Slot is making him look bad"

I'd imagine Klopp is loving this, he'd be pretty childish to be wishing things went bad at a club he obviously loves, just for his own ego, Fergie must be loving what's happened at United the last 12 years with that logic?
The truth also being that Slot did inherit a very good squad, better than most opposition fans were giving credit for. However, he's made a lot of changes to the system that have been a big reason for the overall rise in form this season. TAA playing as a right back, Salah being managed with less running and less defensive responsibilities, the team overall are 20th for overall running in PL games, this is a huge difference to Klopp who always had them top 10, Arsenal always top 3 for running stats. This will no doubt help towards less muscle type injuries which Liverpool have benefited from this season. Not as exciting as Klopps side in full flow, but probably more sustainable over a number of seasons.
 
This is Klopp’s legacy. Leaving a side he’d rebuilt, leaving before they peak.

If this is some kind of ‘L’ for Klopp then fill your boots and use it to balm the pain. But it’s a really odd way of interpreting what Klopp built and left behind.
 
PickledRed said:
This is Klopp’s legacy. Leaving a side he’d rebuilt, leaving before they peak.

If this is some kind of ‘L’ for Klopp then fill your boots and use it to balm the pain. But it’s a really odd way of interpreting what Klopp built and left behind.
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Loserpool

This'll help me sleep at night
 
LochGormanAbú said:
"Slot is only doing so well because Klopp left him a great side that continue to play in klopp mode"

And

"Klopp will be hating this as Slot is making him look bad"

I'd imagine Klopp is loving this, he'd be pretty childish to be wishing things went bad at a club he obviously loves, just for his own ego, Fergie must be loving what's happened at United the last 12 years with that logic?
The truth also being that Slot did inherit a very good squad, better than most opposition fans were giving credit for. However, he's made a lot of changes to the system that have been a big reason for the overall rise in form this season. TAA playing as a right back, Salah being managed with less running and less defensive responsibilities, the team overall are 20th for overall running in PL games, this is a huge difference to Klopp who always had them top 10, Arsenal always top 3 for running stats. This will no doubt help towards less muscle type injuries which Liverpool have benefited from this season. Not as exciting as Klopps side in full flow, but probably more sustainable over a number of seasons.
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Considering Klopp's ego, yeah it doesn't take much to imagine a part of him is not enjoying it totally.
 
PickledRed said:
This is Klopp’s legacy. Leaving a side he’d rebuilt, leaving before they peak.

If this is some kind of ‘L’ for Klopp then fill your boots and use it to balm the pain. But it’s a really odd way of interpreting what Klopp built and left behind.
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I think it can be interpreted as slot succeeded with the same team that klopp didn't succeed with isn't really that odd. There are simple examples of where slot improved the team for examplel Slot got much much more out of gakpo and Gravenberch.

I personally don't think klopp will mind at all that Liverpool are doing well, I also don't think Liverpool fans should be too concerned by how others interpret the situation
 
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Steve Bruce said:
I think it can be interpreted as slot succeeded with the same team that klopp didn't succeed with isn't really that odd.
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He got 82pts last season - probably enough to win the league this season. Returning the team to the CL and he also won a trophy. Having done this with a brand new midfield during a season of significant injury.

He then left a very good (the best?) squad for Slot to work with. His last great act.

He’s gone up in my estimation rather than diminished. But as I say, if interpreting this as Klopp’s failure helps then go for it
 
PickledRed said:
He got 82pts last season - probably enough to win the league this season. Returning the team to the CL and he also won a trophy. Having done this with a brand new midfield during a season of significant injury.

He then left a very good (the best?) squad for Slot to work with. His last great act.

He’s gone up in my estimation rather than diminished. But as I say, if interpreting this as Klopp’s failure helps then go for it
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As I said in the Rhodri thread, if Klopp knew he was going to be out for the season I don’t think there’s any chance he would have retired when he did. I think the reality is that he knew that there was nothing going to be spent on the squad in the summer, there was a chance Salah was leaving and it was just massively demotivating for him and he felt that was the end of his cycle.

You can paint it as a win if you like, nobody knows the truth other than Klopp but it wasn’t some altruistic “my work is done here and I’ve set someone else up to succeed” move. That’s been retrofit by the circumstances Slott finds himself in. At the beginning of the season nobody rated your chances which is a better reflection of what everyone thought Klopp had left.
 
Pexbo said:
As I said in the Rhodri thread, if Klopp knew he was going to be out for the season I don’t think there’s any chance he would have retired when he did. I think the reality is that he knew that there was nothing going to be spent on the squad in the summer, there was a chance Salah was leaving and it was just massively demotivating for him and he felt that was the end of his cycle.

You can paint it as a win if you like, nobody knows the truth other than Klopp but it wasn’t some altruistic “my work is done here and I’ve set someone else up to succeed” move. That’s been retrofit by the circumstances Slott finds himself in. At the beginning of the season nobody rated your chances which is a better reflection of what everyone thought Klopp had left.
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Rodri’s injury isn’t relevant to Liverpool’s excellent season and the strength of the team Klopp left. That’s the core of my argument. He left an excellent squad that is a year maturer and ready to make the next step.

The fact nobody rated Liverpool’s chances is a product of echo chamber analysis that feeds itself. Narratives take hold. Prevailing wisdom isn’t a guide that I pay much attention to. Heck, Neville had them below United despite finishing 22pts above them. Are we supposed to take such bad predictions seriously?

A better insight will be looking at why Liverpool chose Slot. I’m sure it’s not lost on United fans how disruptive it would have been had they recruited a manager not suited to the players Klopp left. Slot has fitted in because his approach makes sense. The board knew what Klopp left and made an intelligent decision. It’s what well-run clubs do.
 
Pexbo said:
At the beginning of the season nobody rated your chances which is a better reflection of what everyone thought Klopp had left.
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The reason we all thought they were going to struggle was precisely because Klopp left, not necessarily because of the squad. No one thought they could possibly find someone anywhere near as good as Klopp.
 
CunningLinguist said:
The reason we all thought they were going to struggle was precisely because Klopp left, not necessarily because of the squad. No one thought they could possibly find someone anywhere near as good as Klopp.
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An excellent point. This site was particularly pleased when Klopp announced his decision to leave. We’re now told that Liverpool’s success is in spite of Klopp who was apparently holding them back.

It’s schizophrenic nonsense.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
"Slot is only doing so well because Klopp left him a great side that continue to play in klopp mode"

And

"Klopp will be hating this as Slot is making him look bad"

I'd imagine Klopp is loving this, he'd be pretty childish to be wishing things went bad at a club he obviously loves, just for his own ego, Fergie must be loving what's happened at United the last 12 years with that logic?
The truth also being that Slot did inherit a very good squad, better than most opposition fans were giving credit for. However, he's made a lot of changes to the system that have been a big reason for the overall rise in form this season. TAA playing as a right back, Salah being managed with less running and less defensive responsibilities, the team overall are 20th for overall running in PL games, this is a huge difference to Klopp who always had them top 10, Arsenal always top 3 for running stats. This will no doubt help towards less muscle type injuries which Liverpool have benefited from this season. Not as exciting as Klopps side in full flow, but probably more sustainable over a number of seasons.
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The same way Klopp couldn't believe his luck when he's got Firmino when he took over, Slot has got Szoboszlai and Gravenberch now.
Seeing how miserly FSG has been yet they're willing to pay 100% upfront for Szoboszlai, I kinda understand why now.
He can shoot cannonballs, run/press all day and has decent technique but I'm more impressed about is his game intelligence.
He's often seen the furthest forward, instigating press for the other players around him.
He generally makes good decisions, especially where and when to pass.
Slot persists with him even when he was struggling with post-injury and lacking confidence.
But good to see he's now performing because I have noticed him as great talent since his Salzburg days.
 
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