Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Inquiries ended | Back in the squad
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She's hit back, suggesting the audio was manipulated:
I read Rachel Riley’s tweet. The insinuation was that she was judging him as guilty but when you reread it she’s worded it so that it isn’t really accusing him. Even thou it is clearly influencing her audience to view him as guilty.
Apart from this ridiculous soap opera, have there been any developments in the actual criminal investigation he's facing for the allegations made by his ex-partner.
That's the one that's important, not this silly sideshow.
That's the one that's important, not this silly sideshow.
Yes, he’s a free agent, currently training with West Ham, so we could sign him
It'll take a long time.
So until the other allegations turned out to be whatever they are turning out to be you’re saying the multiple allegations didn’t matter?
Also, I’m not certain but i think transcript involves his ex-partner and one of the other women speaking to bring him down.
Can someone please translate the translation into EnglishShe's hit back, suggesting the audio was manipulated:
"I'm full of shit".
I'm not sure what you're question is tbh.
There are serious accusations which are the subject of an investigation and there is this he said/she said soap opera being played out online. It's a distraction and won't make any difference to his return to the team as far as I can see.
Given the soap opera, we should just bring him back, if his head is clear. Let the cops investigate and make some progress before we take any decisions. Media can do one with their selective outrage.
Talks about someone with money and current technology suggests they've faked her voice in the phone call.
So Ingrid is now saying the texts and audio were manipulated. Brilliant strategy.
I'd say that's about as likely as someone on here admitting they were wrong about something.
100% this. The mistakes she's talking about its her taking screenshots of the nudes hence why Antony ghosted which it's his mistake on her eyes.
She knows she's been totally discredited. Audio manipulation is easy to prove I doubt Antony's entourage would do that. Also it's a 11 minute recording, surely if you want to make something up they could just fake WhatsApp messages.She's hit back, suggesting the audio was manipulated:
She's done.
Which proves the recording is real and she's clutching at straws. The amount of recordings of her voice they would need for some sort of AI or something to magic up such a long conversation, they just wouldn't have. I remember watching videos of some guy that was making some AI program and he wanted it to talk back in the voice of Jarvis. It's not a small feet. We aren't talking about some sort of youtube mashup to a song, this is fluent conversation.
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This should always be the case. There's a reason why everybody's innocent until proven otherwise.
The fact we separated him from the team "by mutual agreement" it's punishing him already when nothing's been proven.
The social court shouldn't dictate the way we operate. It's a really dangerous way to operate and since legal process takes a long time we could be facing here a player being separated from the team for an entire season with his reputation and career damaged. What happens if/when this turns out to be just bullshit? Hey sorry Antony you can get back to training nevermind...
The fact that we separated him from the squad makes the whole issue bigger, look at Partey case for example he doesn't get even half the media attention as he's still with arsenal and haven't been punished nor judged until legal resolution is done. As it should be in any society who values laws and justice.
He should have gone in the first place.
This sets a dangerous precedent for us now, are we going to be suspending every player after a shitstorm in the media? We'll be playing with u18s within a few years if that's the case.
Ya agree. There was no reason to force him into a leave. Not just the media, our fans are to be blamed as well. It was weird seeing some of the fans being absolutely convinced.
Yes, let him come back and play with all this going on around him. Sure he will do well.
It was literally one post in nearly 3,500, so let's not get carried away.
It's the woke era people care more about being/looking morally right than being fair.
Can agree with this
It's a better option than the one we've chosen let's isolate him from the team I'm sure that'll do wonders for him.
We're setting a really dangerous precedent here. Any player can be victim of extortion now. Just make up some bullshit doesn't even need to be true as by the time it gets disproven by law the social court will have done his work.
Imagine being on Antony's position. Even if it's all fake, as it looks like, I would be tempted to give some money to the alleged victims just to go back to my life and career.
This is an ongoing case with no certainties and I think a leave of absence is actually a good solution for all parties, including for Antony himself.
Allows him to concentrate on his defense (which is much more important than his availability for games for which he might be not at 100% concentration) and makes it easier to reintegrate or suspend him depending on how the situation keeps evolving.
If Antony makes a good enough account for himself in public & defuses legal risk (at least of the criminal sort) in a few weeks, good for him and he could be back sooner rather than later.
In Greenwood's case the club didn't really have a way aside of suspension once charges and upsetting evidence were out, there was no space for a public defense... MU also left the situation in limbo for months after the case was legally closed and inconclusive.
Nonsense, we have to defend our moral trophy.
How do you know he doesn't actually appreciate the timeout to deal with this?
#BringAntonyBack should Start trending, this women got nothing on him but words...
Do you really believe it was a mutual agreement?
No player will appreciate to be separated from the team, specially after facing charges which make him look guilty.
If anything it would be Antony's call to decide when he wants to return but it's not like that isn't it?
It's a symptom of weak leadership. Arnold should have stated the Greenwood position early and clearly instead of bowing to the media winds, then he would be in a much better standing to do the same here. Now its open season on the club and I'm certain we will see a few spurious allegations in the coming months.
That doesn't fit the injustice for men angle though.
I just find the victimhood mentality so mind boggling. The club is just following the type of policy every organisation has done for 10-20 years. If he's not charged he'll be back playing, having still got paid.
I'm sure United took the decision, but I don't pretend to have any insight into how Antony felt about it. In the meantime Antony has been using the time off to fight the allegations, suggesting the arrangement is not as stupid as you're suggesting.
The fact he was crying on national TV the other day may suggest he is under immense stress, which is likely not conducive to him doing his job well.
Giving an employee time out to deal with a problem is often lauded as sound corporate policy. I just struggle to comprehend the indignation.
Exactly make the decision whichever it is and stand by it. If you change your mind due to media or public opinion then you've set a precedent and it will be taken advantage off time and time again.
Lets not take it to the "I dont know how Antony felt about it" field. Obviously no one knows how he feels but him. But it's as to say that maybe Greenwood did ask to leave to Getafe and we cant know for sure because we dont have any insight or whatever. It's obvious what players want lets not play dumb.
You dont give an employee time out to deal with a problem, you offer him time. It's up to him weather he takes it or not. Its clear the intention is not to give time to face the allegations the intention is to separate the club from the bad press.
The stuff with Greenwood happened in January last year and it took until October for him to actually be charged. That was with a relative wealth of evidence, including an audio recording appearing to depict an assault taking place. These things take a long time to investigate, which is why it's surprising to me that some people think he'll be back playing in a month. I don't see how that happens unless the allegations are recanted.
OK so let's not pretend we know what players want, even though you then say it's obvious and do so anyway.
Sometimes you tell an employee to take time off to sort a problem otherwise they won't Of their own volition. Of course it helped United be on the front foot with the issue, but there is also a compelling argument it's in his own interest (whether he agrees with that now or not).
The Greenwood case is a different kettle of fish with the intense pressure that came from the audio.
He was arrested in January. You have to be charged to be arrested surely?
It was bail after then, and the October arrest was for breaching a bail term.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...man-uniteds-mason-greenwood-arrested-25270837
Well then there's no point on discussing anything as we dont really know what anybody wants including the alleged victims etc. We can deduct what they want from logic hence why we can discuss it that way.
Weather it's on Antony's best interest its debatable at least and its collateral to the real reason of why he was separated from the team. If the club had really done it to support Antony the statement would've been way different. Its clear they dont want bad press so we stay away from him until/if everything's cleared.
He's not going to be out until police have finished their investigations. He's there probably because he needed time to get a legal team together to help him refute these allegations and it's probably easier for him to do this in Brazil.
He's not missing months or even weeks of football for this.
He's not missing months or even weeks of football for this.