Wilt
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Calm down, I’m not having a dig. As already said “I like ETH”.Out of all the pathetic ways people are trying to take digs at ten Hag during a rough period, this is by far the worst.
Calm down, I’m not having a dig. As already said “I like ETH”.Out of all the pathetic ways people are trying to take digs at ten Hag during a rough period, this is by far the worst.
Pretty sure we aren't supposed to be talking about this in a player performance thread.
I would use common sense and not fire the manager because how the feck would he know this would happen? What kind of logic are you using there? How is he at fault here ffs. Maybe next time we should get a manager with clairvoyant abilities!If you were an owner who had shelled out €95 million on the advice of the manager only to find he’s now worth feck all, what would your reaction be?….ie never mind Erik it’s only money?
Before any of that.
He was suspended the day accusations came out on 30th Jan 2022. He was arrested on 1st Feb and released on bail on 2nd Feb.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mason-greenwood-suspended-man-utd-26089309
Surely we now have to do the same with Antony or we will be showing a massive double standard?
Greenwood was suspended before he was even arrested let alone charged.
Pretty sure we aren't supposed to be talking about this in a player performance thread.
As previously mentioned, the point being if he did know prior to signing. It’s all subjective. Hopefully truth will out and the club can move on.I would use common sense and not fire the manager because how the feck would he know this would happen? What kind of logic are you using there? How is he at fault here ffs. Maybe next time we should get a manager with clairvoyant abilities!
Probably not cost myself several millions more in severance pay and compensation to a manager who is doing a good job and further millions on a replacement manager.If you were an owner who had shelled out €95 million on the advice of the manager only to find he’s now worth feck all, what would your reaction be?….ie never mind Erik it’s only money?
Hope you’re right.Probably not cost myself several millions more in severance pay and compensation to a manager who is doing a good job and further millions on a replacement manager.
Murphy's Law was invented with MUFC in mind
We must suspended this Murphy character immediately until we can work out what his issue with the law is
Oh I agree in normal circumstances, 100%. If I had been accused by one of a myriad of ex lovers I would expect my employer to back me up until the charges were made at the very least. Unfortunately though life is not so binary as what is right and wrong. There are other pressures here. If my employer had been recently dragged through the mud due to their handling of a similar case and were desperate to get some image back I can certainly see how they might put that first and play it safe. It's always shades of grey. Would suck for me, but I would understand it.
We can get this wrong in two ways. We back him, it turns out the evidence is damning and he's lying about what happened. He gets charged. The club management are done for, no way back. The PR will be off the scale negative. If however we suspend and it turns out he's innocent? Well he's pissed off and we maybe look bad to some for not standing up for our own, but the PR is ok and the management survive. Which do you think they will risk?
The case may be different in facts and evidence to Greenwood right now, but only on what we know. It's about risk, not reality.
Maybe because evidence was in public domain and it was hard to spin it?Greenwood was suspended before he was even arrested let alone charged.
Do their due diligence on the player and his personality before bringing him into the club, see if there's going to be any distractions etc in the background.If something was there. Why ETH and the scouting staff is being dragged into this? You want them to find out things that may not exist or something that police should investigate and find?
I’ve just seen the photos… If this is true he’s in serious trouble. I can’t see how he continues when Greenwood got panned for basically the same thing.
Hopefully Getafe need a second winger.
Nowhere near the same. Allegations of violence and sexual assault aren't the same thing.
Secondly everything was already known about. The only thing "new" is that she's repeating allegations previously made.
I don’t see much difference personally.Nowhere near the same. Allegations of violence and sexual assault aren't the same thing.
Secondly everything was already known about. The only thing "new" is that she's repeating allegations previously made.
I think this is bollock and laughable in the year of 2023, audio can be fabricated just as much as photos and messages if that is part of the thinking. He was the English star boy and the media pressure was bigger IMO. On contrary Greenwood's partner stayed quiet after the initial public outing, in this case it seems like it's a rumbling news and yet to hit the headlines. By the looks of it, it will not end well either.I’d imagine Brasil are just covering their asses rather than having some smoking gun proof.
As it stands I don’t think United will (or should) do anything other than wait to see what the police do. Greenwood case they were put in a quandary because of the audio, this is much more standard (pics with no way of proving them, loads of messages that don’t seem to prove anything, otherwise it is one person’s word against another).
I don’t see much difference personally.
Smash someone’s face or body up it’s still behaviour that he should potentially go to jail for a few weeks for and definitely lose his job.
Oh he didn’t rape her though… Well done he’s still out the door and good riddance.
I think people forget a huge part of the Greenwood thing was the audio and the images of his partner with bruises and black eyes.Nowhere near the same. Allegations of violence and sexual assault aren't the same thing.
Secondly everything was already known about. The only thing "new" is that she's repeating allegations previously made.
Police have had a this "evidence" for some time and they do not yet think it is sufficient to even charge him, yet many here are already determined he cannot play for club again.
Police have had a this "evidence" for some time and they do not yet think it is sufficient to even charge him, yet many here are already determined he cannot play for club again.
Charges where dropped for Greenwood. I dont want him to ever play for us again. I feel the same about Antony.
Greenwood was clearly guilty. There's nothing like the same level of evidence with this case. He may be guilty but let's at least wait and see before coming to conclusions.Charges where dropped for Greenwood. I dont want him to ever play for us again. I feel the same about Antony.
Look, you can't just write off players...Wait, no. You can't just write off PEOPLE because they are accused of something.
Domestic violence is huge problem. Physical and psychological violence.
But until we know the whole story - we got to look at the facts. A girl accuses Antony of beating her and posts a couple of pictures as evidence. Is this enough? Absolutely not.
Case 1 - Antony IS domestic abuser and he really beat and hurt this girl. If this is proven, it's in authorities hands. All Manchester United can do is release him from his contract and give a strong stance against domestic abuse.
Case - The girl is blackmailing Antony. They had a rocky relationship. But now he's famous Manchester United players. Why not make some money off him? As society we gotta realise that there are actually woman who do that. Right now it's very easy to use cancel culture to make money off some famous man. People are very quick to judge and jump to conclusions without sufficient evidence. That's why we have demoracy, that's why we have justice system. To avoid false allegations destroying people's lives.
Take for example the Johnny Depp case - "you are a man, nobody will believe you".
Antony said he is innocent. He admitted they used to scream and shout a lot at each other, but specifically said he never touched her.
If he is proven innocent, Manchester United and our fans should do everything in their power to back him.
Antony has never even been charged. Nothing new has emerged in last 24 hours.