Antony has also done what looks like a tv interview.
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Inquiries ended | Back in the squad
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100% agree with you.
Yes well that is the obvious answer. But thats not what i was replying to.
The move by Antony to get his side of the story out there, and get ahead of the impending mob verdict, is smart. If he had waited in silence while the courts do their job, he'd probably have been heavily penalised at United since the club doesn't have the brains or backbone to defend truth. They just care about image, which is in turn linked to social media mob opinion.
It's quite a strident defence on Antony's part, insofar as he's not just saying he's innocent but also claiming he actually has evidence that proves his innocence and has vowed to clear his name.
If that's the case, then he should be fine and his accuser is in a lot of trouble, as he will presumably pursue legal action against her. But of course if it turns out he doesn't have evidence proving his claim or if he tries to settle rather that prove his innocence as he has promised then that strident position will come back to bite him in terms of public opinion.
If that's the case, then he should be fine and his accuser is in a lot of trouble, as he will presumably pursue legal action against her. But of course if it turns out he doesn't have evidence proving his claim or if he tries to settle rather that prove his innocence as he has promised then that strident position will come back to bite him in terms of public opinion.
Coming out with not hitting "any woman" is not a great indicator. Could just be the translation but that's distancing at its finest. You would expect someone with honesty to be a little more direct and confronting towards the specific accusation and firmly deny that rather than "any woman." It's a specific woman with a name. It's only a little tidbit and doesn't mean too much by itself but it's not really an indicator I want to see in a denial.
He’s probably seen what’s happened with the Greenwood situation and thought, ‘feck that, I’m not gonna let the media control the narrative’.
Who knows if that’s the right or wrong thing to do, but IF someone were innocent of such accusations it would be very hard to sit there and watch the media and rabid social media Karens take over the situation.
But again, I don’t think him speaking out or staying silent should have any sway on people’s opinions.
I don’t think people should even have an opinion until the legal process has been completed or abandoned. It’s ludicrous.
These kind of cases turn the issues into a repulsive soap opera / Jeremy Kyle type scenario where the audience bleats and boos and jeers and cheers and the serious issues are bastardised and warped into entertainment.
It’s pathetic.
In this thread and the Greenwood case the amount of times I’ve read people say, ‘I need to hear an explanation’, ‘until I have it explained to me why this was said’ etc - and it’s like, you have nothing to do with this, nor do I. You are not owed any explanation or information other than the legal outcome. You can then either accept that, or essentially sink into gossip and conspiracy.
I find it completely insane that people can’t grasp this.
I don’t want to speculate like so many do here. From what I’ve read above, already calling him guilty seems very premature.
The legal standard for a doctor reporting something to the police, without a patient's permission, is very high due to confidentiality/privacy considerstions. A cut finger isn't neccesarily even suspicious so there may have been nothing to report.
I suspect this aspect of the story is a distraction from the main issue.
Yes, but there is a flip side to this.
The fans aren't entitled to an explanation. But the players also aren't entitled to any benefit of the doubt whatsoever from the public, who are allowed to believe what they like based on the information they have access to. And the explanation the player does or does not put forward will feed into what the public believes.
This is particularly relevant in the Greenwood case given the particularly compelling evidence against him that was made public. He is entitled to not put forward an explanation, but he also has to accept the consequences of not doing so. Which will inevitably include a much greater backlash from the public and greater pressure on clubs/sponsors not to associate with him.
Because while any given group of fans aren't entitled to an explanation from a player, they are entitled to say "if he does not provide an explanation then we do not want him playing for our club anymore and we will do everything we can to pressure our club so that he doesn't". That's their right.
What didn't help him was violating his bail twice to go directly to the victim, soon after which charges were dropped.
He'd have been better off silent rather than revealing the true nature of his situation, clear as day regardless of charges.
Truth
And in the abscence of Greenwood giving an explanation (or even if he does) we are more than entitled to have the opinion that his disgraceful conduct is more than enough reason to get him as far away from the club as possible. A criminal conviction is far from the only consideration.
Mark Twain — 'If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.'
Was his mistress an ex-mistress during the time this happened? Or they were still together.
So many drama at this club, now my head mixing stuff together.
Ive replied to someone about one point but wasnt clear about it unfortunately.
Guilty or innocent there will always be a bad side to however they react. Im not making excuses for them, I guess my point which i never really made was I have no idea how they should react if innocent or guilty. Clumsy at my end.
Indeed, of course it’s their right, if that’s genuinely how they want to spend their limited time on this planet then that’s their call.
But if so, at least be consistent in it - there should be no difference in Ronaldo, Nicky Butt, RvP, Greenwood, Giggs, Antony etc.
That’s another danger when people are respecting the word of media / social media more so than the word of law - they are then almost guaranteed to receive a biased, degraded, agenda fuelled stream of info, rather than an objective one.
React all you like - but please be consistent right across the board.
I reckon you’ll find most footballers are like that? It’s the god complex! I’ve known players in league 1 act like how he comes across. Strange bunch footballers!
Ryan Giggs, Neymar Jr, Raheem Sterling, David De Gea
Of course there should. They're different situations with different circumstances and different information available to the public. It would be utterly bizarre to unthinkingly apply the same blanket opinion and reaction across the board. In some of the cases you mention they're not even accused of the same crimes as one another.
In the Greenwood case for example, the audio and images that were made public are far more compelling than the evidence the public hears in 99.9% of sexual assault allegations. There would be something wrong with you if that didn't factor into your opinion.
Don't think the interview helps his case at all. Apart from the fact that he admitted to cheating n his wife so easily, which doesn't help his image, he actually admitted that all the incidents mentioned in the allegations did take place, but it wasn't his fault. The fight took place but he was just holding her because she was the one throwing stuff. Her finger did break but she caused it. Her breast implants needed fixing because she fell in the bathroom, and she was the one going crazy in the car.
Considering that we know from watching him play that he has a short fuse, and the fact that other women came out with more allegations. You have to be really naive to believe this is a conspiracy against him.
Considering that we know from watching him play that he has a short fuse, and the fact that other women came out with more allegations. You have to be really naive to believe this is a conspiracy against him.
Haven’t read the rest but I don’t see the issue with that specific quote?
I mean it does help if he is telling the truth. If she’s twisted every incident to portray him as an abuser then of course he should come out clearing the air. Footballers being scum bags as someone mentioned or loose cannons isn’t an issue for the club, we’ve had tons of those the fans have celebrated. It’s whether he’s a criminal and unlike Greenwood he seems to be standing his ground so let’s see how this goes
There is definitely a victim. Whether it’s Antony or the 4 accusers time will tell.
I can’t find if he addressed the other accusers or just the one. interested to see what he has to say about there being multiple allegations from different people.
I can’t find if he addressed the other accusers or just the one. interested to see what he has to say about there being multiple allegations from different people.
He looked genuinely sad. Must be innocent. It is obvious as per caf standards.
As long as you have sex outside marriage, you are at risk of such things happening. Newly rich, young, footballers with huge egos who love the nightlife are therefore going to be always at risk of being sought after by certain women (clubbing etc) and thereafter being caught up in such allegations. I think that's why Sir Alex always looked for potential footballers to sign based on having a stable relationship. That said, when you have multiple allegations like Antony, you are toast and rightly so. If he wasn't a rich footballer, this would never have been a story. Such is fame and fortune.
I think that's a bit of a generalisation. But I agree with all your other points.
He's a wrong-un for cheating on his wife. She's a wrong-un for hooking up with him knowing that he's married.
My spidey sense is telling me this is a pair of immature knobs acting like knobs to each other rather than a domestic violence issue.
My spidey sense is telling me this is a pair of immature knobs acting like knobs to each other rather than a domestic violence issue.
Antony is demonstrating the poor and erratic decision-making that are consistent with his on pitch antics(kicking and lashing out at players in front of the camera's live on tv) and off pitch accusations + allegations. The interview is a bad idea everything he has said will be used against him and his side of the story only covers his episodes with one of the woman. The 2 other woman will be coming forward.
It appears that many are above domestic abuse or sexual assault. So many get away with it.
Either there is a coordinated campaign from women to get footballers done for rape/sexual assault (with many of them failing) or the justice system is completely fu**ed. The sheer amount of these cases that don't go anywhere suggests to me its probably the later.
Not saying Antony is guilty at this stage but there is also no evidence to suggest that the accusers are lying.
Sounds dodgy to me. I’m sure the players in this forum have all been there before.
What??? There is NO evidence?? The case he gave as an example literally had tonnes of evidence suggesting the numerous women conspired to accuse someone of rape.
Final point having read the Guardian's summation of the new 'victim' - the third one sounds like she wasn't really his gf at all? Got in a car with the Antony and his then GF, claims the GF abused her while Antony was driving then he did something too, and she hopped out at the next light.
Not quite sure how to read that one, but certainly isn't like the other two accusations of DV.
This is all such a mess. I know the guardian are the holier-than-thou paper of choice, but the entire Manchester Untied section is currently related to Greenwood, Antony and Konopka.
Not quite sure how to read that one, but certainly isn't like the other two accusations of DV.
This is all such a mess. I know the guardian are the holier-than-thou paper of choice, but the entire Manchester Untied section is currently related to Greenwood, Antony and Konopka.
I'm very consistent in who I consider a scumbag.
It isn't looking good for Anthony but I don't think the club would be at the stage where he should/will be suspended, unless they know more that means he should.
Greenwood's behaviour was beyond the pale no matter that the charges were withdrawn due to the complainant stopping cooperating with the prosecution.
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I love this. You are 100% convinced that he abused her. The victim managed to forgive him and get on with life, but you can’t.
If he is innocent the interview is the right idea. If he doesn't come out and clear his name, he will be tried in the court of public opinion. I think in light of how these cases have played out in the past, he is doing the right thing if he is innocent.
And you're basing this on what exactly?
I've tried to keep out of this thread as much as possible as it's just more negativity associated with the club but if the allegations are true then obviously Antony should face the consequences of his actions. However if the woman is found to have made up the allegations I feel she should have to serve the same sentence as Antony would have got it they were true.
