Ok I missed the sarcasm, we need an interrobang
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Inquiries ended | Back in the squad
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Just read back, it's obvious.
We really need to start assessing the character and temperament of players before we sign them. Wasn't Fergie big on that? I remember hearing it was one of the secrets to his success.
Think it's the opposite, from what I've seen reported. Antony refers to and apologizes in text, for assaulting her... or one of the very things he's apparently being charged with. Whether you believe the alternative accounts leaked re. MG and/or his partner's social media post following the retraction around the images, for the CPS and for the club higher-ups there is at least reasonable doubt that those particular offences took place. That seems not to be the case entirely for Antony.
Again, people are (understandably, psychologically) stuck on what they can directly see or hear and reluctant to consider whether other evidence complicates that narrative or not, compared to less flashy things like texts (see likewise the Arsenal player admitting to sexual activity and saying 'you can't prove you didn't want it' in leaked texts, and the social media/club response there). Nevertheless, there seems to be more 'concrete' evidence that Antony inflicted injuries on his former partner. Doesn't mean that he's going to be found guilty or that we won't find out new evidence that complicates parts of the narrative. However, telling that there is a concession there as well as evidence of engagement with medical professionals, it would seem, that indicates she was physically harmed to a level requiring proper medical attention.
Im not sure why you think someone getting injured and a player calling the club doctor would not be normal? You have to realise that players these days do nothing for themselves and the clubs have access to the best medical teams. Especially when the player has recently moved from abroad.
Club doctor should report it if they feel is suspicious the same way if you call an ambulance to your house they would treat you but report anything they deem suspicious.
Saying that I am not aware of the details of the incident to determine if it was suspicious or not.
It’s pretty clear that the club rule should be:
a) guilty of serious crime - sacked
B) being charged with serious crime - suspended awaiting a determination from the police/ courts
C) never charged/ charges dropped - everyone in this category should automatically have the right to be presumed innocent and live their lives without restriction or discrimination
The club has and will continue to tie itself in knots if it continues to act as if it knows better than the legal system. Making non-football related decisions, to appease people on social media who think the least but speak the loudest.
The club isn’t, and shouldn’t become, the moral police given an ‘alleged failure’ of the legal system. It isn’t set up for it, it feels illegitimate and therefore it’s determination on such matters are totally disregarded if they contradict the most vocal agenda.
Nor should someone ever be assumed guilty because of alleged ‘failures of the legal system’, or because people have seen Making a Murderer or heard Serial and assume they know better. A) the US is very different from the UK, and B) the police and judges require significant quality thresholds to be met, for evidence to be considered by juries.
a) guilty of serious crime - sacked
B) being charged with serious crime - suspended awaiting a determination from the police/ courts
C) never charged/ charges dropped - everyone in this category should automatically have the right to be presumed innocent and live their lives without restriction or discrimination
The club has and will continue to tie itself in knots if it continues to act as if it knows better than the legal system. Making non-football related decisions, to appease people on social media who think the least but speak the loudest.
The club isn’t, and shouldn’t become, the moral police given an ‘alleged failure’ of the legal system. It isn’t set up for it, it feels illegitimate and therefore it’s determination on such matters are totally disregarded if they contradict the most vocal agenda.
Nor should someone ever be assumed guilty because of alleged ‘failures of the legal system’, or because people have seen Making a Murderer or heard Serial and assume they know better. A) the US is very different from the UK, and B) the police and judges require significant quality thresholds to be met, for evidence to be considered by juries.
The incel energy is strong in this one.
Partey is still under investigation although his bail has been lifted.
Quite amazing really.
She said no such thing on Antony?
Anyway, i dont get why you are so angry with her. Or at least she should be entitled to voice her opinion.
Jesus.
Yes she has.
Me too, ribs are sore. Guess there’s no room for a subtlety when you’re flying on your high horseThe replies on here to this comment made me chuckle, best one “she’s not a judge”Sarcasm flying over heads left and right.
Common sense but Im not sure this now helps her case
The club confirm they arranged for a private doctor to visit her at the request of Antony - not a club doctor as originally claimed back in June but a doctor did visit her that night at the hotel.
Didn't they send emails or something regarding Greenwoods case?
Could he only be charged by police in Brazil?
Well it's nice to see us instantly and strongly deny that so that's good.
So the club has confirmed that they arranged for a private doctor and this is normal practice for players and their families. Guess all it takes is for this private doctor to state he informed the club and United are kind of in trouble.
See below post.
Forming a strong opinion about domestic abuse between two individuals without any significant proof to back up the opinion is in my world rather dishonest and anti intellectual. We publicly share wild speculations that in the end hurts almost everyone involved without a second thought.
My stance is simple. Before the legal system has given a verdict I believe in everything and nothing.
It’s a nightmare for the legal system to judge a toxic relationship and therefore millions of abusers go free. It’s a shame and all of us who have been part of DV, directly or indirectly, get frustrated when these abusers (mostly men) go free.
But the real question is what’s the alternative to the legal system?
Do we have some better way to find justice?
I have personal experience of DV. My wife, my grandmother, my mother, my father, my daughter, my wife’s daughter, my aunt and some of my friends have also suffered from DV. Not to mention myself. I was born in the sixties so I’m well aware of being physically and mentally abused by my parents in my younger years. Blood. Bruises. Mental scares. Low self-esteem. You name it. I was lucky because I was born with a strong mentality and a positive mindset.
My wife since 10 years is from São Paulo. Her ex husband tried to shoot her with a gun because she wanted to divorce him. He missed the shot with inches and since then she has been on the run whenever she’s visiting Brazil. That’s DV beyond anyone’s imagination.
She of all is allowed to have a strong opinion but she doesn’t. She’s almost 50 years old with two grown up children and she’s the first to admit the problem to judge without evidence or full knowledge about the relationship. I admire her for that because that’s a sign of a good character.
From my perspective there’s no winner with going viral. The alleged victim could be 100% authentic but I don’t hold my breath if she has a hidden agenda. Antony could be 100% innocent but I’m well aware of that the statistic talks against him.
That’s the dilemma. I simply don’t know who’s better or worse or maybe even totally innocent. That’s why I have to trust the legal system even if it has flaws and often comes up short.
I’d imagine if the doctor felt an assault had occurred they’d also have informed the police not just the club. The fact her lawyers are accusing the club and the doctor (thinking they were working for the club) of covering it up would lead me to assume the doctor isn’t stating that they felt an assault had taken place. This is why shit like this shouldn’t be drip fed through the media - serious accusations are flying and we’re all acting like Colombo based on aggregator social media sites looking for hits.
Ah yes. Another male accused of DV and most of this thread goes all “innocent until proven guilty” and “the club isn’t the morality police”.
All these pesky women making things up about footballers with no actual evidence….
Honestly a lot of attitudes in here are why the conviction rates for this stuff are so low. It’s disgusting. YOU are the problem.
All these pesky women making things up about footballers with no actual evidence….
Honestly a lot of attitudes in here are why the conviction rates for this stuff are so low. It’s disgusting. YOU are the problem.
Sancho might get a game after all. If it turned out he was prone to uncontrollable rage away from the pitch I really would start to believe we’re cursed
Exactly. If the police cannot prosecute or someone is found not guilty, that should be the end of it. The club can’t become judge, jury and executioner. Fans upset with the outcome should then complain about the justice system, and if they feel an injustice has been done lobby for a change in the law.
The messages aren't proven to be his are they?
There is 0 chance a private doctor would inform the club of anything. It's not a club matter. It's not a club doctor. It's doctor patient confidentiality whatever was found or said. And if anything was said or found, this independent doctor would be obligated to go to the police and nobody else. The club is a complete non entity in this story.
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They aren’t. The club are quite key to it. Her lawyers (according to the media…) are stating that after Antony headbutted her the club liaison officer visited her at the hotel and stopped her going to hospital and called a club doctor in order to cover the DV up. The club have categorically denied a club doctor treated her or that there was any cover-up or knowledge of DV - however they have admitted a private doctor was arranged to visit her by the club liaison officer.
Club doctors have a very specific job, they don't do families, at least not at big clubs like this. Maybe if the player was hurt in such a way that there were questions about his fitness to play football they might consider sending the club doctor, but not for this. For family the club would send for a specialist or private doctor. It would be highly unusual to send a club doctor to deal with an injury.
Edit: oh..I see they confirmed it was a private doctor. Not a cover up then.
The only cover up would be from the police if they were told, or that doctor if he ignored signs, in which case his medical license will be stripped. Literally everything else is nonsense in that scenario and I just find any suggestion of a cover up as complete horseshit with 0 chance of being true and honestly severely hurting her side. It's easily disproven and a very dangerous accusation.
Wow! Just fecking Wow!
Isn’t that consistent with what he’s arguing? The club doctor didn’t agree to see her as a patient so the club organised a private doctor to see her instead. Who won’t have told the club any details about her injuries. As that would breach patient confidentiality.
Obviously if the club doctors did see her that’s a different story. Seems very far fetched though. I’m sure they’re well aware their responsibility is to treat the players and players only. Mind you, I’d say there’s a good chance she didn’t realise the private doctor who turned up wasn’t actually employed by the club. Hence the misunderstanding. I am speculating though.
No. Her lawyers are stating the club liaison officer who works for the club knew she’d been assaulted and covered it up. Ergo Manchester United knew she’d been assaulted.
The club has categorically denied this
Course her lawyers would say that. $$$ You'll have to forgive my incredulity when listening to what layers say (i being one them).
Yes the club confirmed that someone from the club got them a private doctor, that is standard practice in sports. This private doctor isn't employed by the club. And so our responsibility ends. The doctor wouldn't tell the club anything. They aren't even allowed to if they saw anything. It's police or nothing. And the doctor has their own medical license to look after. That wouldn't be fecked with.
When will we get one day of normality as United fans? When?
I suppose not.
If there is a cover up it's on the player liason and the private doctor - not the club, clearly. Now if there was any truth to that, you'd think the player liason in question would have been fired when the club was made aware of the allegations months ago.
If it did happen like that, then that seems the most likely explanation.