but he needs to be accountable for being a below average footballer. He contributes nothing much going forward. I really think it is easier to convert him to a left back rather than a proper forward
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but he needs to be accountable for being a below average footballer. He contributes nothing much going forward. I really think it is easier to convert him to a left back rather than a proper forward
Our player contracts need to have incentives built in to get the pay they want.
Being able to beat your man, make a successful pass, get an assist, score a goal, not look like a fcukin fanny. You know; measurable things like that
Being able to beat your man, make a successful pass, get an assist, score a goal, not look like a fcukin fanny. You know; measurable things like that
If Ajak gave us our money back and he said he would play for no wages I still wouldn't play him. He is awful beyond all belief.
Nope, still way off the mark
This is the problem with our fanbase, there are so many that would rather write off our players than actually get behind them and show them some support.
Antony is a good player, its not his fault he is playing in a disfunctional team with no real number 9.
If he wasn't so expensive it would have been easier to take him out of the team and let him go through second season syndrome like Nani did. I think Nani was a far more gifted player but the point is when he had no confidence and his team mates clearly got frustrated by him (Rooney especially) Ferguson kept him on the bench a lot and let him become peripheral almost as much to protect him as to punish his performances. Antony carries a price tag through no fault of his own but it means he has no hiding place.
I feel like opportunities have been missed to turn him into a decent player, he has some attributes that are overlooked, his general tenacity, willingness to tackle and win the ball, running at players these could and should be nurtured and his obvious faults like cutting inside to use his left foot to blast a wayward pot shot, his inability to connect with a striker need to be ironed out, severely ironed out. He's the worst of both worlds poor player, very poorly managed, I don't have a huge problem with his price, we over payed, we usually do, most teams do, I have an issue with our manager having two opportunities to cultivate this player into something and failing.
I would rather our players be good at football to honest.
He's not a good player, pretty much everyone agrees he's not a good player... So if you genuinely think he's a good footballer you're on a bit of an island with that one.
I see what you did there. You’ve managed to blame the manager not only for Antony not being good enough but also for not being able to make him good enough. Double blame. Blame squared! Top work. You’ll go far on here.
No need to criticize him, Antony is getting less game time anyway, so I feel that at one point he will be replaced by Amad or Rashford.
He was dropped in our last match before this one. And wouldn’t have started yesterday if Hojlund wasn’t sick. With ETH praising Diallo after the game there’s a good chance Antony will get some much needed time out of the spotlight.
Neville speaking to Redknapp about the Antony signing was basically saying it how we all see it. ETH may very well have requested Antony but whoever is in charge of the transfers should have said his transfer value is no more than 25 million, anything above was criminal.
There is even information out their saying they'd already scouted him and valued him at that figure.
Easily the worst transfer in our history. He's absolutely useless and completely out of his depth.
There is even information out their saying they'd already scouted him and valued him at that figure.
Easily the worst transfer in our history. He's absolutely useless and completely out of his depth.
One of thing that surprises me with Antony is how shit his crossing is. Yes, he can't beat a man, but in that wide forward role today it is very easy to cut back to your strong foot and shape a cross to the back post, he just can't do it, you think with big lads like Hojlund and McT this season playing in forward roles he should at least be able to put a cross somewhere in their direction on occasion but no.
His whole game has gone to shite this season. Look at his shooting. He did at least use to put in a decent shot or two but nowadays he’s skying every shot miles over. So no surprise his crossing is crap too. Might come back if he ever finds some really good form/confidence. That’s a huge if though.
What other Premier League side would start for?
I watch Luton play Chelsea yesterday and both of their wingers attacked their full backs in a way Antony has never during its time at United. Chong even looked more dangerous when he came on.
Sheffield United?
Burnley?
Aside from those two I don't see him starting at any Premier league club.
I watch Luton play Chelsea yesterday and both of their wingers attacked their full backs in a way Antony has never during its time at United. Chong even looked more dangerous when he came on.
Sheffield United?
Burnley?
Aside from those two I don't see him starting at any Premier league club.
We tried that with James and to a certain extent Elanga but they just did not have the technique to play for a top club.
Zaha should have been that player for us ever since Fergie left and it was his farewell gift to us but the two preceding managers managed to royally feck that up.
Zaha got close but he never was quite good enough to be a first choice winger at United.
Other than some weird desire to be the bestest, most loyal fan in the world who "backs every player", what is this faith based on? Certainly not what he's shown here so far, and not anything he's shown in his previous club too.
Who has played for us regularly since then that has been better?
Let's not reach the "we should have kept Zaha" stage
Yeah you're right about that but it doesn't make him good enough to be like we should have kept him
And we learned nothing from the DvB transfer.
ETH not only requested him but pushed for him after ajax had rejected our initial bids, no way he didn't have any involvement in his valuation. Regardless it shows an incredible lack of judgement that he thought he was good enough
Strange logic.....we should'nt have kept him but we never managed to get anyone better??
Zaha was never a starter for us. He only ever shone in an average-at-best Crystal Palace.
It's also fine logic to suggest we shouldn't have kept him.
You get rid of inadequate players (of which, Zaha was one), and try to replace them.
You replace the replacement if they're also inadequate. That doesn't make getting rid of the original player an "illogical" decision.
Agreed, €100m fecking daylight robbery.Have you heard of a player called Matt le Tissier?
Is that really the best argument you have?
Zaha did some of that on his own with his "look at me, I play for Man Utd" attitude
Eh not really great examples as James was a bargain bin Championship signing and Elanga was just an academy kid. I'm talking about when we have to inevitably shop for a new RW soon, give me a left footer that's a 1v1 demon but maybe struggles a bit end product wise over a technician with great numbers in a shit league. It's so difficult to succeed in the PL without any sort of threat to dribble past/run behind unless you're Bernardo Silva on the ball (majority aren't)
Well it shuts yours down.
One player that peaked in the 90s (with just eight England caps) that may have been good enough for a top side shuts down the point that Wilfried Zaha wasn't good enough for a top side?
Sure, Jan.
So you have just googled him but never seen him play regularly
Go and google the next young prospect for us to do another fortune on and then disappear when it goes south.
Sure he would have got plenty games if we did keep him, but ultimately he isn't good enough and wasn't good enough for where we need to be.
I think it’s relatively clear we wanted an RW and the club came up with very little (we could have got Antony for cheaper earlier in the window but didn’t so it’s not like ETH was forcing the club to buy him as his top target) so we then went back and paid more. That is classic United right there. It’s exactly what happened with LVG as well; time goes on and the manager ends up just going for what they know.
ETH - like any manager we’ve had - must face criticisms for the transfers they have brought in but the bigger issue above the manager is so obvious and has never been dealt with. You just can’t trust any manager with picking players, even think of the duds when Pep joined City and picked the guys he knew like Bravo and Nolito, they were awful. Managers who don’t know the league always underestimate the speed of it in my opinion.
So you have just googled him but never seen him play regularly
Go and google the next young prospect for us to do another fortune on and then disappear when it goes south.
I've not "just googled him". He's just one of very few players to (allegedly) reject moves to bigger and better clubs.
The reality is that Zaha had his shot at a big club, fecked it up, and aside from one summer where a lacklustre Arsenal had some interest, failed to attract any other real suitors during the best part of a decade in the bottom half of the league.
Antony has been a disappointment, sure, but that doesn't mean Zaha isn't actually a bit shit too.
Well the ultimate aim for us is to be the best football club in the world and he would not have been good enough for us to reach that level but that is not my point.
My point is quite simple and that is if our coaches gave him the chance to succeed at our club we would have been better off doing that and keeping him then selling him and would have been a better team.
Of course we should always be on the lookout for the next 22yo Van Basten but that does not mean we cannot have a 24yo Toney or a Watkins play for our club because all they have done is play well for a mid table Premier League club.
Antony is the £85m dud that will define Erik ten Hag’s tenure
Manchester United winger was hauled off after 54 minutes and continues to be a millstone around his manager's neck
Manchester United winger was hauled off after 54 minutes and continues to be a millstone around his manager's neck
Clearly, ETH has seen more of Antony than what we are seeing. Maybe its the bright lights of OT that shrink him so he hesitates to show a wider range of talents or skills.
He seems to stick to one trick consistently now. I remember, not sure correctly, that he offered a little wider range of play when he first got here.
I'd rather take a punt on 5 x €20m wingers than 1 €100m winger ever again.
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