Fair enough, could be an option off the bench but I could never really imagine starting him.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Fair enough, could be an option off the bench but I could never really imagine starting him.
No, it's a relevant question: would you rather have Bebe in the squad, or Andy Carroll? There's only one answer and you know it.
Doesn't work like that.
We've already got Bebe, and it's impossible to say whether he's good enough for United having seen barely anything from him, so why compare him to a player we've seen a lot more of, who happens to be in good form?
It's a pointless comparison, but hard-pressed and if forced to provide an answer to the above, I would say Bebe, because United agreed to a deal overshadowed by Carlos' personal opinion, and they are far more qualified to judge potential then any of us.
We've already got Bebe, and it's impossible to say whether he's good enough for United having seen barely anything from him, so why compare him to a player we've seen a lot more of, who happens to be in good form?
It's a pointless comparison, but hard-pressed and if forced to provide an answer to the above, I would say Bebe, because United agreed to a deal overshadowed by Carlos' personal opinion, and they are far more qualified to judge potential then any of us.
You'd rather have Bebe in our squad right now over Andy Carroll!?
That's laughable, Hectic, and I think you're trying to save face there.
That's laughable, Hectic, and I think you're trying to save face there.
Not laughable, the choice of who one would have in the squad is not only based on the present. Don't think anyone would say Carroll wouldn't give us a better option as things stand, but I for one believe Bebe will be a much better player so I would rather have him in the squad.
Why would you want Andy Carroll? You prefer him over Hernandez or Berbatov? A guy who is really good at heading the ball and pretty much nothing else?
Obviously it won't happen - but IF Carroll was lucky enough to end up at United in January, and was given the same facilities and expert management and opportunities as Bebe for say 18 months - he'd still be a better player than Bebe at the end of it. That's why it's laughable.
Carroll can actually play football, he isn't gonna need to take a year of wages in order to learn things like 'technique' and 'delivery'.
Don't agree, from the little I've seen of Bebe he has a lot more of that x-factor which can be called natural talent than I believe Carroll does.
You're wrong, and time will prove it.
There is much more to his game than that. And besides, his positioning and timing of runs (and bravery in the box) is not a fluke. That stuff takes a football brain.
Well, I find it laughable that you are so adamant to compare a player you've seen less then a couple hours of in total playing time, over a player you have seen game after game.
Also laughable that you would assume Bebe is even remotely ready, let alone comparable to strikers who have been playing in the country for years.
What's the point of saying I'll take Caroll over someone you have barely seen?
But the better question is, why are you so willing to chuck Bebe in there? Why would we replace him so soon, and after seeing so little? It would be the stupidest thing I've seen. Fair enough you can argue that we might just buy Carroll, but why bring in this replacing Bebe question into it? It would be absolute madness.
Carroll is an interesting one, he's got some great tools and would give any team an interesting option but I think Fergie is looking to have all round forwards to play in the frontline, whether Carroll has the ability to be that kind of forward I don't know, he seems very much a classic target man.
At any rate we have Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf still here, surely at least one of them will step up to join Rooney, Hernandez and Berbatov to form our first team striking quartet.
At any rate we have Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf still here, surely at least one of them will step up to join Rooney, Hernandez and Berbatov to form our first team striking quartet.
Haven't seen not nearly enough of him to make a fair comment but he did give Vidic some problems this season so he is a handful that's for sure.
As you know, I was using Bebe as an example to remind people that not every player in our current squad has to be world class. I also mentioned Macheda, Welbeck, Obertan and Diouf.
This Bebe guy looks alright, shown a fair bit of potential in the few minutes we've been able to see. First season, never played professionally, new country, adapting in many ways etc...Promising.
This Carroll guy looks good, nice record for Newcastle, knocking them in at the moment....had playing time in the country, is obviously more settled...
I tell you what, this Bebe guy could be great potentially, he might be amazing in a few years.....But.....But this Carroll guy, well he's scored a few in now, and really, who wants to wait a few years? Let's sell this Bebe guy, for this Carroll guy. Doesn't matter what Bebe turns out like if Carroll gets a few in now, he's in form FFS!
Or...Just not compare the two because it's a bit silly!
This Carroll guy looks good, nice record for Newcastle, knocking them in at the moment....had playing time in the country, is obviously more settled...
I tell you what, this Bebe guy could be great potentially, he might be amazing in a few years.....But.....But this Carroll guy, well he's scored a few in now, and really, who wants to wait a few years? Let's sell this Bebe guy, for this Carroll guy. Doesn't matter what Bebe turns out like if Carroll gets a few in now, he's in form FFS!
Or...Just not compare the two because it's a bit silly!
Well, I was only responding to this bit:
'You'd rather have Bebe in our squad right now over Andy Carroll!?'
It's not a matter of form. Carroll is a better player than ANY of our young strikers barring Hernandez. I would welcome him into our squad.
He would get games, he would score important goals, he would thrive on the service from Scholes, Nani and Valencia, he would hold up the ball well for Rooney. This is glaringly obvious to anyone who's watched him play!
These guys 1. didn't cost as much as Carroll would cost and 2. At least in the cases of Welbeck and Obertan have the potential to be much better than Carroll.
The thing with Carroll is I can't see where he can really improve his game. He already plays his target man role about as well as he can, where can he improve, where has he got the ability to improve? I just don't think he can improve drastically, so the Carroll we see now will be close to the Carroll we see in ten years time.
Hopefully this isn't the case with Bebe, Welbeck, Macheda, Diouf and Obertan.
I don't think he's that great, but am happy to be proved wrong in time, nothing against the lad really. I just don't see the need to compare him directly to our players, even Macheda, Obertan and Diouf...Have we really seen enough of them to warrant the question? Well, that and I'd obviously have Obertan over him seen as they are different players in different positions.
Welbeck is another question, a much fairer debate I reckon.
He might be better now, but what about in two years when Macheda matures a bit? Or when Diouf actually gets a run of games with us? It seems like you are too quick to write off our youngsters, and I can't really work out why. Surely you can accept they are no-where near their finished ability, or even close to good, consistent form, battling for a chance at Manchester United.
Then you have Carroll, who's been playing week in week out for Newcastle for a long time. He's had 70 appearances for them, yet a minute ago you were willing to swap him for a player who has started twice?
Then you have Carroll, who's been playing week in week out for Newcastle for a long time. He's had 70 appearances for them, yet a minute ago you were willing to swap him for a player who has started twice?
Not sure your last sentence makes any sense. I doubt you've seen much more of Welbeck than all the other players you mention, so why is it a fairer debate about his place in the squad than anyone else? He's also the youngest, which makes an accurate prediction even less likely.
If forced to name the striker on our books least likely to be as good as Carroll it would be Diouf, surely? On the basis that he's already a few years older than the geordie.
Not to nit pick, but Macheda is the youngest of the players we've mentioned.
Macheda is 19
Welbeck is also 19 (but will be 20 this month)
Bebé is 20
Carroll is 21
Obertan is 21
Diouf is 22
Macheda is 19
Welbeck is also 19 (but will be 20 this month)
Bebé is 20
Carroll is 21
Obertan is 21
Diouf is 22
My bad. Second youngest.
Hmmm.
According to Wiki Diouf will be 23 in December.
Edited. Yeah I fecked up, thankfully. All the other ages are correct though (I think).
Hmmm.
Yea, I'm pretty sure all the others are right.
Welbeck and Macheda are in the fortunate position of not needing to be registered for another season (2 for Kiko) so they have time on their side here. Diouf will need to be registered if we bring him back next summer.
Hmmm
Oh Andy......if this is true and he doesn`t change his attitude off the pitch than this boy will be a very average player in his whole career.Carroll injured in six-hour, 30 Jagerbomb bender
England soccer star Andy Carroll was left in agony after a drunken fall from a casino bar stool at 5am, it was claimed yesterday.
Carroll, 22, had just ordered 30 “Jagerbombs” – a potent mix of spirit Jagermeister and Red Bull energy drink – for himself and 15 pals.
Next day the £20million striker’s club, Newcastle United, announced that a thigh injury would rule him out of at least three games.
The Geordie – who picked up an injury in United’s match against Spurs on December 28 – was on a six-hour bender until 6.30am on December 30 at Aspers Casino in Newcastle.
As well as FOUR Jagerbombs, 6ft 4in Carroll downed TWO pints of Fosters and around SIX bottles of Peroni.
Witnesses saw him slump down with his head in his hands after the Jagerbombs and one Peroni. Then all of a sudden he perked up, alert, “like a meerkat”.
He stood up on the leg rest of the stool which tipped over. He then smashed against the floor of the bar area and was clutching his leg, shouting out in pain.
But his mates stood around laughing as Carroll lay in agony.
Shortly afterwards his female companion was seen massaging his leg at the roulette table – where he fell off another stool.
Then he limped off to a private function room, where he downed five more Peronis and sang on the karaoke machine before finally leaving alone at 6.30am. The following day, United boss Alan Pardew told journalists about an injury.
Carroll apparently reported his injury after the Spurs game. But it was decided not to make that injury public until it had been properly assessed.
That assessment was done on December 29, before Carroll went to the casino. The club doctor has examined Carroll regularly since then and a source close to the player said the doctor would dispute the injury being made worse. But gambler Simon Cook, 28, who witnessed the second fall in Aspers, said: “I could not believe his behaviour. He was absolutely hammered.
“When I went back to work my mates were telling me how he was going to sit out three games because of an injury. I couldn’t believe it. I knew how it really happened.”
Carroll, who has just signed a new, £27,000-a-week, five-year contract, has been a regular at Aspers this season.
Carroll was with United captain Kevin Nolan at Aspers after the Toon’s 5-1 win over Sunderland in November.
He went on another huge bender on December 7 – the day after manager Chris Hughton was sacked.
Carroll is currently on a “mid season” break in Dubai and due back this week. He will take a fitness test on Thursday to see if he will be fit for next weekend’s match against Sunderland.
Newcastle United declined to comment on the incident last night.
Two each? Hardly that big a deal.
effin' lightweight.
My thoughts exactly MrK! Jaeger Bombs? What a woman!
“like a meerkat”, and he needs a new agent, seriously $27,000 a week.
Hey! I'm partial to a couple JRBs on a long night!
Think it's more for the red bull than the jagermeister though
How is he worth £20million ?
Looks like he needs a visit from Gazza avec fishing rods and beer to sort him out.
The headlines has been stitched up. But still. £35 million,
Way to get him really fired up. Good luck goalie.
Let's not have DE He's in goal for this...