He looked solid in the pre-season and its about time he gets a shot at the starting 11 imo
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He looked solid in the pre-season and its about time he gets a shot at the starting 11 imo
And how is that relevant to anything I said?
If your just stating the obvious, today is Thursday
You said we need to give him more games, when we've only played three. You say give him cup games when we've not even played any yet. Have some patience. This time last year Herrera was not starting games and he ended the season as our player of the year. Again this time last year Rashford was not starting and he ended up playing more minutes than anyone else out of our front line.
We don't know if he's going to play yet, but we can only know if you give it some time. I don't want him to be loaned out but saying we 'used to give youth' is not fair when the season only just begun and our academy product played more than anyone out of Mkhitaryan, Ibrahimovic, Mata, Martial, Lingard and Rooney last year.
If he can also play as a winger, he should definitely stay. He's a decent crosser and got ball control skills suited for that role, just in case no new winger will join.
I agree with you on that
Can't even get into our match day squad, though, unfortunately.
Am torn about this. I'd happily send him loan to a similar set up to last year and just hope, he keeps his head down for one more year. Its easy to do that.
But for some strange reason, Jose who would usually be happy to get rid of such almost-there-but-not-yet players in the past, is going out of his way to show him that he has a role in this current set up.
Why is that? is it because he thinks Pereira is better than players he had to let go in past? or is it because jose has changed, and he has time, to give Pereira a better try out now, than to other players in past? Or is it both? or neither?
Hope Pereira has patience. He has attitude, talent, composure for our level. but he'll need some patience, and luck to make it out of this properly.
But for some strange reason, Jose who would usually be happy to get rid of such almost-there-but-not-yet players in the past, is going out of his way to show him that he has a role in this current set up.
Why is that? is it because he thinks Pereira is better than players he had to let go in past? or is it because jose has changed, and he has time, to give Pereira a better try out now, than to other players in past? Or is it both? or neither?
Hope Pereira has patience. He has attitude, talent, composure for our level. but he'll need some patience, and luck to make it out of this properly.
That is too bad but I'd hope with all the games we have this season he would get a chance to prove himself
Loan him to Watford or somewhere. He needs to stay in the Premier League.
I dont think it really matters whether he plays at Mata's position or at the center. The most important thing right now is he gets minutes under his belt. He's still young, is not a bad thing to play slightly out of position. He'll learn smth there.
He can go there on a loan if they let us have Nani for the season.
Its probably more a case of him understanding the culture of the two clubs. United has a historical preference for having the same manager in place for long periods and proud history of developing its own players and managers are expected to embrace that, although recent years have been a let down in that respect. Chelsea on the other hand are a club with a long term high manager turnover without any real emphasis on developing their own players rather than buying them in. There's no point in youth development if you're constantly facing the axe. Its an unneccesary risk.
He may well be waiting a long time to have that opportunity, though.
I a huge fan of Pereira but I don't see him getting the game time he deserves especially if we keep playing 2 men in central midfield.
With the Champions League group phase, I think Mourinho won't care that much for the League Cup, which we won last season, so a proper second team might be starting the home games with A.Pereira having a chance to start the Burton game.
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Then after that, whether he has a good game or not, when we go back to the league game, Pereira doesn't make the match day squad again.
Are you suggesting Mourinho drops Herrera and Fellaini from the squad altogether to make room for A.Pereira?
No, hence why I think he needs to go on loan.
He was already on loan, and he'll have lots of League Cup games and, maybe FA Cup, or even a chance if Pogba's injured or suspended, or if Champions League group is decided, depending on how well he takes his first chances. He's our player and we need him as backup, player development is not the only criteria nor the most important.
Well, he's 22 in January. He's missing out on valuable playing time.
Doubt he'll be happy with being back up for us. He needs to be playing, or at least be in match day squads so there's an opportunity for him to come on.
I understand he will get the odd cup games, but I personally don't think he'll be happy with that. He was doing that under Van Gaal three years ago when he was 18. Where's the progression?
The progression is in playing for a winning squad. He needs to be playing, but we need him too (unless we get that winger), so…
He's not playing. There's an implicit contract with a young player that he's given the opportunity to develop his game. If Mourinho keeps Andreas in the squad but off the pitch, he's denying him that opportunity.
2 games played in a season with well over 50 games and absolutes are being determined.
Well, I did use the word if. Andreas has already wasted one year of his career on our bench. If he's not good enough to get significant game time for us now, he's not likely to break through next year, after which he'll be gone anyway. He needs to get his career started, and we shouldn't be standing in his way for the sake of a remote chance that he might be useful if we're hit with an injury crisis.
It's not all about United or Jose Mourinho. Although I don't suppose you could persuade him of that.
That's not why Mourinho let him leave. It's so he could have a proper start to the season with his new club than joining them some ways into the season like he would have had he lasted the full season here.
Man, what are you talking about?
Mourinho let him leave because he had no use for him. Otherwise he would have played him. Schweinsteiger repeatedly said didn't want to leave, Mourinho told him to go find another club and pushed him out the door.
If he felt he needed him for the run in, do you think Mourinho would give two shits about Chicago fecking Fire and what condition they get the player in?
Okay
cool
Can't be a loan if he's only got a year left on his contract. If he's being sold there had better be a reasonable buy back clause. I don't see why we would be shipping him out though. Does Jose plan on using Lindelof from time to time in midfield this season?
Bad decision. Probably based on the fact playing with a midfield two is working out for now.
Gutted. Don't think he'll ever make it with us now, shame, he's got so much talent.
Think we've got an option for another year which we'll presumably trigger.
Surprised if we are loaning him, we haven't got a club over here to take him.
Damn. We better do a Chelsea and make him sign a new contract before the loan.
He'll probably renew before going.
If this is just a loan then i'm pretty happy, it's a step up for him over his loan last year, he's familiar with the league, and he needs the game time. This should work out well for us. For as long as we're playing a midfield two and even Herrera can't get much game time, Pereira is going to struggle to get many minutes with us.
It's a cruel world that only gets crueler. 
I don't think he'd be going on loan again if Jose truly rated him. There's plenty of games for him to play with us this season but Mourinho will probably prefer Fellaini/Carrick/Herrera to be the rotational options.
Meh if he was good enough he'd be playing
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