Andreas Pereira to Valencia? | It happened

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Android1974 said:
What's that list for? Is A.Pereira ever going to play in defense?

We have without him 5 midfielders and 6 attackers, so not that much by all means. If we play 4-3-3 or the promised 3-5-2, for instance, there's only two midfielders left for a alternative midfield three, easily not enough with injuries or suspensions to give the starters a deserved rest.
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We won't play 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 that often. Just in the bigger games imo.
 
Android1974 said:
What's that list for? Is A.Pereira ever going to play in defense?

We have without him 5 midfielders and 6 attackers, so not that much by all means. So if we play 4-3-3 or the promised 3-5-2, for instance, there's only two midfielders left for a alternative midfield three, easily not enough with injuries or suspensions.
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We will see, but surely you can see we have a lot of options in CM. Carrick has not even made the bench yet. Not sure if Mourinho sees AP as an option on the wing but even there we have a lot of options too. In the end the most important thing for both us and him is where he can develop best this season. That will only be here if he gets enough games and as it stands that will only happen if we have a major injury crisis. Not the way to plan.

Look at TFM last season. Complete waste of time.
 
Ban said:
We won't play 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 that often. Just in the bigger games imo.
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How do you know that? Do you know how many of our first games we started last season in 4-2-3-1 until we lost and changed formation?
 
If we're only playing a midfield of two and with Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini, and Blind also available, then its pretty clear Perreira won't be playing much so it would make a hell of a lot more sense to have him play at least half a year on loan and we can always recall him if needed.
 
Mourinho is a trophy manager not a dynasty builder. Pogba, Matic, Herrera, Fellaini, and Carrick all come before youth with him. He would sooner buy a proven 21-22 year old than give a reserve player gametime other than friendlies. If Pereira does go and is a massive success then thats the only way he will get a chance imo.
 
sincher said:
We will see, but surely you can see we have a lot of options in CM. Carrick has not even made the bench yet. Not sure if Mourinho sees AP as an option on the wing but even there we have a lot of options too. In the end the most important thing for both us and him is where he can develop best this season. That will only be here if he gets enough games and as it stands that will only happen if we have a major injury crisis. Not the way to plan.

Look at TFM last season. Complete waste of time.
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I'm sorry, but I would prefer to try A.Pereira than Carrick now. We don't have that many options for the wings or #10. Like I said, we have 6 attacking players for 4 positions.
 
Android1974 said:
I'm sorry, but I would prefer to try A.Pereira than Carrick now. We don't have that many options for the wings or #10. Like I said, we have 6 attacking players for 4 positions.
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So would everyone but clearly not Mourinho, which is why it makes complete sense.
 
Raoul said:
If we're only playing a midfield of two and with Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini, and Blind also available, then its pretty clear Perreira won't be playing much so it would make a hell of a lot more sense to have him play at least half a year on loan and we can always recall him if needed.
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Blind who only played some minutes in midfield in the second friendly ever of Man United's Mourinho is ahead of A.Pereira too?
 
Android1974 said:
So you admit that it could happen we change formation after our first loss, let's say Liverpool away?
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I don't admit anything. We didn't change formation last year and stuck by it. We changed formation according to the teams we played against.
 
Android1974 said:
I'm sorry, but I would prefer to try A.Pereira than Carrick now. We don't have that many options for the wings or #10. Like I said, we have 6 attacking players for 4 positions.
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Fair enough perhaps, but nearly every manager would see a reduced role for Carrick being fine and a reduced role for a young developing player like Pereira to be a problem for his development. And that is the point here. I have already said I would personally look to move others on, but him staying here and playing a handful of games would be crap compared to a full season at Valencia. As long as he makes the team of course.
 
Just imagine Pogba gets a long injury, who would play his part?
 
Android1974 said:
Just imagine Pogba gets a long injury, who would play his part?
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Herrera is clearly first up.

Fellaini is probably next, which of course many might disagree with, but very clear what Mourinho thinks and in fairness, Fellaini has been useful for a season and a bit.

If you play this game with other clubs, you are quickly in much lower territory. We have a big squad.
 
Ban said:
I don't admit anything. We didn't change formation last year and stuck by it. We changed formation according to the teams we played against.
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Sure, it was just by chance we played 5 times 4-2-3-1 in a row, then lost to City at home, and played the next in 4-3-3… and lost both! Mourinho being a reactive manager at its worse.
 
sincher said:
Herrera is clearly first up.

Fellaini is probably next, which of course many might disagree with, but very clear what Mourinho thinks and in fairness, Fellaini has been useful for a season and a bit.
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Neither has the commanding ability to do it. A.Pereira might have.
 
Android1974 said:
Neither has the commanding ability to do it. A.Pereira might have.
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I would say, in all honesty and having watched a lot of Granada games and games in our ressies, that is not really what Pereira is, for all his potential.

I am not convinced you really know the player. Or maybe the game. One or the other.
 
They've just taken the lead at the Bernabeu and look very useful tonight.

Would certainly give him exposure of playing for a better team and much bigger club than Granada, so another step up.

Preferably to the odd game here this season I guess.
 
Android1974 said:
Blind who only played some minutes in midfield in the second friendly ever of Man United's Mourinho is ahead of A.Pereira too?
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You have to look at it in terms of we can keep Blind because we're using him, he's experienced and versatile. Perreira has none of those attributes and needs to continue developing them. So within that context, Blind is usable in place of Perreira in an emergency.
 
The main point is that keeping such players because they might be needed for a handful of games is very likely to their detriment.
 
I will probably be a smart move so long as we can recall him if we need him in January. He could have a part to play if he's been playing well with Valencia at that stage.
 
Minimalist said:
Are you taking the piss?

We have no one that can replace Pogba. Hell, if anyone can do his job, it's probably Fellaini (of all people).
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Maybe Mourinho was taking the piss himself when he used him in our friendlies in the deepest position in midfield to get game and distribute play, exactly what Pogba does.
 
Hope he signs an extension before leaving on loan. Ander is struggling to get into the side. Pereira wont get enough minutes to continue his development...
 
Android1974 said:
Sure, it was just by chance we played 5 times 4-2-3-1 in a row, then lost to City at home, and played the next in 4-3-3… and lost both! Mourinho being a reactive manager at its worse.
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So after that we never got back to 4-2-3-1?

Maybe its reactive or maybe it's changing according to the opponnent and not sticking to the same thing every game.
 
prateik said:
Hope he signs an extension before leaving on loan. Ander is struggling to get into the side. Pereira wont get enough minutes to continue his development...
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If last 3 matches has anything to go by we look better going forward in a mid 3 than in mid 2 , gives us more security to commit to attack withut havng to worry about the back and that's where our goals have come from later on, So herrera should be back soon.
 
Ban said:
So after that we never got back to 4-2-3-1?

Maybe its reactive or maybe it's changing according to the opponnent and not sticking to the same thing every game.
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Look, what Mourinho is trying to do here is stick to a system and players, which is totally natural. He tried it last season and failed, and ended up defining our system almost always depending on the superior adversary, which was almost every team at a point, instead of imposing our way of play. I mean, we played the Europa League final with Fellaini as #10 (not criticizing it, just stating).

And actually, you just gave the perfect definition of reactive, “changing according to the opponent”, which is not what he's looking for (again), if we except the Real Madrid Super Cup. Let's see if now, after our next setback, he gets more careful or not. That's when a player like A.Pereira might come handy.
 
If he is trying to stick to a system and players, fringe players get fewer chances, surely? And that hurts their development... You can see where this is going.
 
Android1974 said:
Look, what Mourinho is trying to do here is stick to a system and players, which is totally natural. He tried it last season and failed, and ended up defining our system almost always depending on the superior adversary, which was almost every team at a point, instead of imposing our way of play. I mean, we played the Europa League final with Fellaini as #10 (not criticizing it, just stating).

And actually, you just gave the perfect definition of reactive, “changing according to the opponent”, which is not what is looking for (again), if we except the Real Madrid Super Cup. Let's see if now, after our next setback, he gets more careful or not. That's when a player like A.Pereira might come handy.
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All I'm saying is our main system will probably be with 2 in the middle, especially since we have Matić now. Against better opponnents we'll play 4-3-3 or 3-5-2, maybe not in every big game. Some formations wok better against tougher sides.
I mean you have Pep playing the same way every game and Jose mixing things. It's not always creative, it's trying to find a solution. Or imposing our way of play but with different formation. Is every manager who changes a formation in various games reactive?

Bottom line if our main and most often formation will be with 2 in the middle than we have 5 mids for 2 positions.
 
Ban said:
All I'm saying is our main system will probably be with 2 in the middle, especially since we have Matić now. Against better opponnents we'll play 4-3-3 or 3-5-2, maybe not in every big game. Some formations wok better against tougher sides.
I mean you have Pep playing the same way every game and Jose mixing things. It's not always creative, it's trying to find a solution. Or imposing our way of play but with different formation. Is every manager who changes a formation in various games reactive?

Bottom line if our main and most often formation will be with 2 in the middle than we have 5 mids for 2 positions.
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I generally agree with you and hope it goes that way, that we can stick to a system and way of play, our being the best and imposing on adversaries.

I just don't think we should risk it having less than 2 players for position in midfield/attack, specially with one of them being Carrick.
 
Ban said:
All I'm saying is our main system will probably be with 2 in the middle, especially since we have Matić now.
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Apart from west ham game, both games against swansea and leicester city ,the teams were so deep that our cam had no space at all and we looked better in a mid 3 than a mid 2 while in posession going forward. A mid 2 is very cautious to commit themselves to attack fully for keepng the security to control the counter attacks while there is so little space in the centre than a cam is ineffective and the bal gets psuhed out wide because of their pressing where mkh has looked un impressive. So a mid 2 is not really getting the best out of us against deep teams. We should revert to mid 3 pretty soon. Its not fisible to bench ander hererra for so many games.
 
Unsurprisingly he is being massively overrated on here but it is a shame he is potentially going on loan again. I really like him and he could become a really good player. However, he does need to be playing regularly and that's just not going to happen with us at the moment. I would rather he was loaned out to a PL club so he can get used to the league but Valencia isn't the worst place for him to be playing I suppose.
 
Android1974 said:
I'm sorry, but I would prefer to try A.Pereira than Carrick now. We don't have that many options for the wings or #10. Like I said, we have 6 attacking players for 4 positions.
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7 since we resigned Ibra. And we won't always play with 4 attackers, quite a few times we'll play with 3. So that's 7 players for 3 or 4 positions. Sounds like exactly the right amount of depth.
 
If Ander cant get minutes, I don't see how Andreas would be getting sufficient minutes this year considering he is in direct competition with Ander and Afro for that last spot in a midfield 3. That's assuming we do play a 3 in midfield in the future.

Gutted to see the lad go but why Valencia? Can't we loan him to a EPL side?
 
I wanted him to stay and get playing time but with PotY Herrera barely touching the turf for three games, his chances look pretty slim. Long season, I know, but still, he can't sit around waiting for scraps.

We need to make sure loan doesn't become sale though.
 
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