[Cathy Ferguson]

I think ultimately, a really good keeper wins you points when you don't deserve to win...Onana does the opposite and actually costs you points.

If Amorim has a really good keeper, we'd have picked up a fair few more points IMO and the pressure would be far less. He's simply nowhere near good enough.

I didn't like him at Ajax and of course ETH thought otherwise. Hermansen at Leicester should be an upgrade.

 

[DJ_21]

I’ve never known a keeper to always parry shots straight in the middle of his area or straight to the opponent. Just parry it out for a corner or out wide somewhere

 

[That_Bloke]

I really dont understand the hate for Barthez.

He was nowhere near as bad for us as people seem to make him out here.

Because it's trendy. Some never saw him play, others just watched or remember his second season at United. Even then, he wasn't as bad as Onana.

He was the youngest GK to ever win the Champions League at the time (Marseille, 1993). He also played a major part when France won the WC and the Euros back to back (1998 and 2000).

Very composed under pressure, he had a great left foot as well, and was known for his quality distribution. His only (relative) weakness was crosses, in great part due to his lack of height.

Seeing him being compared to Onana is absolutely hilarious and tells you quite a bit about the poster and their football knowledge.

 

[NoLogo]

Just not good enough. Need to look for an upgrade next summer.

 

[Shane88]

His hands and wrists should be studied. The way balls rebound off them isn't natural. There is something demonic going on there.

 

[Real Madras]

I remember watching him vs city in the CL final and I thought he was world class in that game alone. Turns out he’s really not.

 

[Amir]

Im genuinely convinced he is pulling an Ali Dia stunt!

Even Taibi wasn’t this bad

Gifted a goal at Anfield on his debut, gifted that Le Tissier goal, gifter the opened for Chelsea in a 0-5 loss. Three huge errors in four matches.

Oh, he was this bad.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

If not a straight up clanger it’s at least 2/3 ‘should do better’ moments a game. Simply not good enough.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

I think ultimately, a really good keeper wins you points when you don't deserve to win...Onana does the opposite and actually costs you points.

If Amorim has a really good keeper, we'd have picked up a fair few more points IMO and the pressure would be far less. He's simply nowhere near good enough.

You’ve only got to review 50% of the goals conceded since the turn of the year.

His flappy hands and shocking positions lead to an inexplicable amount of rebounds. The defenders could do better, but no serious keeper puts the ball in the danger zone like this guy.

Was getting shot of De Gea the right decision? Maybe. Was replacing him with Onana a good idea? I think there were a lot of early doubts and it’s just never gone away.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

It is impressive how he has climbed the ladder of players urgently needing to be replaced this season, creeping over flops like Maguire and Casemiro on his way to the top.

 

[Irwin99]

I remember watching him vs city in the CL final and I thought he was world class in that game alone. Turns out he’s really not.

His distribution was insanely good in that game, everyone was excited by that performance. Why do players never perform like they should here?

At any rate, it's a problem position in the summer with our budget and our other priorities. Hope we can find a cheap bargain somewhere.

 

[Dominos]

You're failing to take into consideration the amortization and wages that we'd be on the hook for next season were we to keep him. The real PSR "breakeven" figure would be much lower than that.

Are you accounting for the fact that if we sell him we'd need to sign a replacement goalkeeper which would add amortization + wages, on top of the loss we made on selling Onana for below his book value?

It's not that we can't accept a penny less than book value but we can't be taking huge losses on our sales and then signing expensive replacements on top of that.

 

[massey]

I don't care he maybe the best person on earth bless him but as an actual goalkeeper/footballer he's wank and is like an actor in goal hey take a shot at me I will just put my hands in the air or parry it into the danger zone the faster we get rid of him the better

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Get him out. Absolutely awful keeper

Unique combination of not being good at saves / handling or dominating his area.

 

[SmashedHombre]

It is impressive how he has climbed the ladder of players urgently needing to be replaced this season, creeping over flops like Maguire and Casemiro on his way to the top.

He's been at the top of the ladder since about day 1 for me. He's been consistently atrocious and can't even do the very basics of a gk.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Are you accounting for the fact that if we sell him we'd need to sign a replacement goalkeeper which would add amortization + wages, on top of the loss we made on selling Onana for below his book value?

It's not that we can't accept a penny less than book value but we can't be taking huge losses on our sales and then signing expensive replacements on top of that.

Fair, although I think we should shy away from an expensive replacement for now - try to identify a transitional keeper who can put in consistent 6-7/10 performances while we get everything else sorted out.

 

[massey]

Fair, although I think we should shy away from an expensive replacement for now - try to identify a transitional keeper who can put in consistent 6-7/10 performances while we get everything else sorted out.

Id rather play a youth keeper than him

 

[stoinz]

Because it's trendy. Some never saw him play, others just watched or remember his second season at United. Even then, he wasn't as bad as Onana.

He was the youngest GK to ever win the Champions League at the time (Marseille, 1993). He also played a major part when France won the WC and the Euros back to back (1998 and 2000).

Very composed under pressure, he had a great left foot as well, and was known for his quality distribution. His only (relative) weakness was crosses, in great part due to his lack of height.

Seeing him being compared to Onana is absolutely hilarious and tells you quite a bit about the poster and their football knowledge.

Exactly, Barthez has very good reflexes too and was a really good shot stopper. He was just a bit mad. Onana does not have the skills that Barthez has. I wouldn't mind a Barthez now to be honest.

 

[gulli_G]

Awful keeper, fails at the basics, he's very average in that sense.

 

[Olecurls99]

Some on here asked for this

 

[bringbackbebe]

You must be incredibly young or just not clued up on Barthez at all.
Barthez was far superior than this clown and it’s incredible you would even try to either lower him to his level or up Onana to his.
Educate yourself.

He's exactly like Barthez without the positive eccentricity. These are things Barthez would do.

 

[SmashedHombre]

Awful keeper, fails at the basics, he's very average in that sense.

I sincerely wish he was average

 

[gulli_G]

I sincerely wish he was average

Correction: he's a liability.

 

[Squeaky_Bum_Time]

Yet another position we need to improve on, shortly after spending a lot of money to improve there.

Sigh.

 

[ScholesBrain]

I remember watching him vs city in the CL final and I thought he was world class in that game alone. Turns out he’s really not.

Many poor or average players have world class performances against top teams once in a while.
David Bentley scored a hattrick against us as well

 

[G97]

He's exactly like Barthez without the positive eccentricity. These are things Barthez would do.

Barthez made mistakes but was a phenomenal agile shot stopper with great reflexes. Basically the complete opposite to Onana.
Look at his save from Hamann at Anfield for example… A save Onana would never make in a million years.

 

[That_Bloke]

He's exactly like Barthez without the positive eccentricity. These are things Barthez would do.

He is not.

 

[izec]

He is a terrible keeper. If he isnt being a calamity, most of the time you feel he should do better. And he should.

He looks like an emergency keeper, an outfield player going into goal. He lacks the basics, like he was an outfield player all his life and started with 16 in goal due to injuries and kept him in goal.

 

[flappyjay]

Worst part of all this is that his ball playing was supposed to be one of his his strengths. Turns out he is just comfortable with the ball rather than a great passer.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

He’s the goalkeeper equivalent of the girl in Flashdance. For those of you unfamiliar, she was a dancer who became a welder and learned dancing techniques on her own. Then she auditions for Manchester United and despite her goofy-ass steps, the dance school judging panel thinks her raw athleticism and talent are enough — and she becomes the new #1 goalkeeper.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Do United or Chelsea have a worse goalkeeping situation?

Chelsea still have the world’s most expensive goalkeeper out on loan, and two keepers who keep making errors in their squad.

 

[Revival2024]

Onana has this tendency of parrying the ball back into the danger zone, almost like he is glad to simply keep the ball out. Top class goalkeepers take one step further by pushing it further away. It is fundamentals of a top keeper and he lacks it. Even the saves he makes are regular but he loves to exaggerate everything

His agility, flexibility and reaction speed are poor. He can't seem to take command of his own box, which gives the opposition more armoury to feel confident during set pieces. Top keepers tend to have a command and presence. His communication skills on the pitch is clearly poor too. He can't seem to organise the back-line because he constantly makes basic mess-ups and lacks the confidence to challenge players around him.

I said it before and I will say it again. A goalkeeper's job is to guard the net and prevent goals. This chase for a ball playing craftsman is laughable. Onana is one of the key reasons why United's build up play is lackadaisical and lacking purpose. He lingers on the balls, welcomes pressure and kicks the ball out. United lack speed and incisiveness right from the back.

Obviously the club has holes everywhere. The issue is that you have Onana and then Maguire at the back. The sideshow Mels of football, with a combined fee of 140million pounds. Unbelievable. Both players have 9 or 10 touches before kicking it to the opposition. They ooze an aura of failure and weakness which embodies what Manchester United have become. A new goalkeeper will be necessary. Either promote from within or buy another.

The biggest conundrum is Amorim. He kept Maguire and still plays Onana regularly. You have to question a manager who sees these two as key cogs in his success.

 

[Bon1803]

Looks like his purple patch is over and he’s back to his normal self.

We simply can’t continue with him in goal , he is costing us too many points.

It must now be time to give Bayindir a few games and see if he can plug the gap - can’t really be much worse surely.

It’s another sorry waste of money circa 48m ? We are masters of overpaying for the average.

 

[Lentwood]

Getting down to low shots seems to be a massive problem, and has been since day one. He looks cumbersome and not very agile.

The bloke is obviously good at some things...he's brave, good one vs one, good shot-stopper when the ball is in and around wasit-height or above...but time and time again, getting down seems to be a real problem for him.

For the 2nd goal and for the 'penalty' at the end, he hit the floor like a sack of spuds being thrown down a staircase.

 

[Ish]

He is so shit it’s actually making me actively dislike him.

Should go down as our worst ever signing.

Sadly, quite a few contenders for that accolade post SAF

 

[Shane88]

He's still young for a keeper but not young enough where you think mistakes he makes can be eliminated. He is who he is at this stage.

 

[Jev]

It’s hard for me to understand why we bought him in the first place, seeing as his flaws are so evident. You don’t need to watch more than a couple of his games to notice that his basic technique in terms of handling/parrying (gives away way too many dangerous rebounds) and getting down to low shots is sorely lacking. It was visible even in his highlights videos during what was supposed to be his best moments.

 

[stubie]

Gifted a goal at Anfield on his debut, gifted that Le Tissier goal, gifter the opened for Chelsea in a 0-5 loss. Three huge errors in four matches.

Oh, he was this bad.

The Le Tissier goal seems to happen most weeks with Onana

 

[sebsheep]

Firstly, the save was another questionable parry. Seondly, he needs to get up quicker and be more proactive.

Still, do you think he’s good enough?

What do you make of the save before the penalty incident?

There's nothing wrong with the save. It's right above is head from a few yards away. People keep talking like a keeper should be able to parry every shot out of danger, which is daft.

The save at the end is poor, he gets it all wrong and ultimately I don't think he matches our current needs for a keeper. He's better than a lot of people in here suggest but I said last season his shot stopping is pretty average. We also aren't really able to make much use of his on the ball ability because the team struggles to progress the ball out from the back. I wouldn't say he's actually out biggest problem though, replacing him isn't going to improve this team all that much.

The issue I have with the stuff in this thread (though it's not limited to Onana on the caf) is that a lot of people seem to let their opinion of him determine how they judge an individual situation.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

He's been at the top of the ladder since about day 1 for me. He's been consistently atrocious and can't even do the very basics of a gk.

I think most of us knew he wasn't good enough pretty early on, it was just that there were bigger problems to address in the squad. But yeah, he's absolutely a top priority to replace now.