Unreal take this
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 23
- Clean sheets
- 7
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 1
Unreal take this
Well.. it does explain why we cant score. Those Premier League goalkeepers are just too good.
I'm still extremely sceptical. I think people were too harsh on him last year when he was being made out to be completely hopeless and the worst in the league and are now being too quick to forgive and forget this season. I think in the long run he will prove too unreliable for us but I am very much enjoying his current form, and I do like him, so hoping he maintains it long enough for me to have to reassess.
I dont think so that is the case at all. They are just waiting for Onana to make a mistake (like every goalkeeper will once every so often) and will all come back with some variation of 'told you so'. Even last season when he improved from his terrible (mostly European games) start, people were nitpicking the smallest thing that could/might/maybe would have been the better action by Onana to prevent a goal even if the goal was prevented.
None has been forgotten or forgiven. It might even be worse since Onana is proving 'the doubters' wrong and it is never nice to be proven wrong. It is just that you cant really talk bad about Onana with the way he has been playing. The main criticism has been that his long kicks are not good eventhough with better finishing he could have had multiple assists by now. He put Dalot 1 on 1 with the opponent their goalkeeper last PL game for example.
Now you only have the really dedicated ''Onana outs' who even refuse to praise Onana for a fantastic double save and those will just claim any goalkeeper, or atleast 95%, would make those double saves. But i have no doubt that this topic will be filled with negative comments saying that Onana should be kicked out of the club the moment Onana makes a (small) mistake.
Reasonable points here, I think. I'm quite sure you are right with the bit at the end.
Lets just hope it wont be anytime soon!
I like Onana. He is not the most incredible, consistent shot-stopper, but the underlying cause of our problems is not him and the defence; it's primarily the midfield, which is so poorly structured that we give shots away and have players running at our defence all the time. Then you get all the corners and whatever else.
The midfield setup alone is sack-worthy. I just hope Ugarte can help with that, but I'm convinced the number 10 system with Bruno is a fundamental liability in too many games. With a midfield that was better set up defensively and using the ball better in possession, Onana's strengths would come out more.
The midfield setup alone is sack-worthy. I just hope Ugarte can help with that, but I'm convinced the number 10 system with Bruno is a fundamental liability in too many games. With a midfield that was better set up defensively and using the ball better in possession, Onana's strengths would come out more.
One of our better performers this season
West Ham 2:1 Man Utd
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This season he has really stepped up. I really dont see our GK as a problem at all.
On course to win the Pots award or, as I call it in recent times, the DDG award ( best of a poor bunch).
Our best player this season, says a lot about where we are at.
very solid... some players need time
Amidst all the chaos, Onana has been outstanding this season. His weakness last season, shot stopping, has become his strength. His distribution had not been great, but hopefully that will improve under the new manager.
He's been really good. Hope it continues. He will make a couple blunders this season but that's to be expected for any keeper. Just hope it doesn't happen in a crucial match at a crucial time or a lot of the good will will dissipate.
Man Utd 1:1 Chelsea
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Amazing. He lets a goal in and we don’t have anyone trying to find a way to blame him. Bottom right corner, too! He must be finally winning the fans over. Miracles will never cease.
The least of our problems now
Man Utd 2:0 PAOK FC
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Just want to say that he has been excellent this season. Also he is clearly great on the ball so hopefully Amorim can get the best out of that too. Pep stopped pressing him in a CL final FFS so his ball playing can be a real asset.
I know that a professional footballer playing a decent pass with his weaker foot shouldn’t be a cause for high praise but the one he absolutely rippped with the laces of his left boot out to Amad was seriously impressive.
His distribution has been much improved this year, not that there wasn't flashes of it last year but he is just a lot more confident with it this season. With the way Amorim likes to have the goalkeeper step in as an auxiliary 3rd CB in build up while pushing one of them on into the midfield to create superiority, he could be a very valuable building block going forward.
In hindsight he arrived after losing a CL final in what seemed an abrupt signing, he took the chance but it must've been a bit of a whirlwind transfer. I recall back in the 80s 90s we used to talk about settling in, getting over a big final loss, CB partnerships like Bruce and Pally etc. Now we just expect players to work right away despite big changes and setbacks.
He had two great passes tonight, one out to Garnacho that set us on the front door and the one already mentioned out to Amad. I'm a big fan of his, this season he's been quietly excellent and he's contributing a lot more than just shot stopping.
Solid performance, once again. The horror memories of last season are fading away quickly.
I’m so happy he’s managed to turn things around. Clearly has the right mentality to make it at this club and I’m looking forward to seeing him under Ruben, who will no doubt relish having one of the best ball playing GKs in the world at his disposal.
I wonder how much impact the new GK coach who we poached immediately after he signed for Ajax has played in his upturn in form. Does also help not conceding 25 shots a game too I guess!
I wonder how much impact the new GK coach who we poached immediately after he signed for Ajax has played in his upturn in form. Does also help not conceding 25 shots a game too I guess!
On the bolded bit, no matter how good of passer you are, you need movements ahead of you and passing lanes being opened up, especially if you are in GK or CB spot, maybe in CM/AM you will need to thread one through the eye of the needle as it gets more congested in the defensive third of the oppo, but for your GK, players must move consistently, make runs behind defenders, so there is options to pass to, last year Onana didn't have these movements ahead of him most of the time, this season there is a slight improvement especially with the runs from behind or FBs/Wingers being in an open space on the flanks so Onana can loft one there, he's always been an excellent distributor of the ball for a GK but he still needs movements ahead of him for his distribution to work.
I agree with the rest of the post on how Amorim likes to build from the back and Onana potentially being an asset there.
Vs PAOK he slowed the game down even more than Jonny Evans
And his distribution, absolutely shocking
We need a better keeper
And his distribution, absolutely shocking
We need a better keeper
You watched a very different match to me. It amazes me how so many people still don't understand why Onana delays in possession on occasion. Also, his distribution was very good.
His distribution was very good. I’d like to see him pass it between the lines to the feet of central midfielders a bit more but we’ll need someone who can take it on the half turn and Cas/Ugarte aren’t really that player.
One of our biggest issues is not being able to slow the game down
His distribution was good. I don't understand how you could watch the game and decide it was "shocking"
If this weeks world events are anything to go by some people just have an unshakeable agenda regardless of any evidence to the contrary
I know. Guess I shouldn't try to understand
He slowed it down because nobody and I mean NOBODY was moving... Few times he throw his arms up as if to say will someone make a move, the only one who did each time was Garnacho.
There's loads of times he claims a ball and looks to set a quick counter, but nobody makes the move.
When he has the ball to feet, if he wants to move it quicker the players around him have to react quicker and make the right angles. Utd don't have the right midfielders dropping and rotating between the lines to do that.
He's been very good this season in many aspects of the game. But, people still don't like him because he had a few bad mistakes last year.
Best Keeper in the league
Not because he was bad (mostly in European games) but because they had written him off and said the most idiotic things about him. Onana is proving them wrong and making them look stupid in the proces. That is also why this topic is fairly quiet eventhough Onana is our best performing player this season. With gritted teeth some manage to call him 'least of our troubles, solid, decent'' but not flat out 'good or having a good season'. As a side note, hopefully Zirkzee is able to do the same next year.
The main point of criticism right now is that Onana his distrubution isnt good.. which isnt true but it is hardly even his fault considering his distribution options. Onana put Dalot one on one with the goalkeeper just a few games ago. Ofcourse Dalot missed but otherwise Onana would have had an great assist as a goalkeeper.
This thread is going to be flooded when Onana makes a mistake (which all goalkeepers will do eventually) though. Mark my words
Can’t believe you haven’t made a connection with Onana struggling to play it out from the back / distribution and the lack of movement and ball being treated like a grenade in every other area of the pitch. Issues that predate him by years too.
IMO he’s one of maybe 3 players who shown improvement this season. That sounds sad in itself. He made some errors in the first few games then started bailing us out with some great saves. His distribution is a mixed bag, but if he continues his overall trajectory and delivers consistency then we might have a decent, trustworthy keeper.
Eriksen and Case are the only other players who I think are performing better that last year.
Eriksen and Case are the only other players who I think are performing better that last year.
His distribution absolutely is not a mixed bag.