You need movement outfield to make use of a good passer
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Like said, the new scapegoat when he did feck all wrong today.
He's a good keeper but yeah, still to warrant the 60m upgrade and indeed, DDG would always win us a couple of points a season, I'm not sure how often Onana will be such a clutch player
Not really much to see today. Unvoidable goal from the keeper's point of view and Palace weren't bothered about putting too much of a press on which meant the easy pass was always there. Could have had any keeper out there.
Yep I said the same thing last season when people were calling for ddg to be replaced with a "modern gk"
Do our coaches tell Onana to slow down play as much as possible and play 1mph passes to his defenders with no momentum?
He's capable of playing much quicker.
He's capable of playing much quicker.
DDG needed replacing. Odd point to make
Against teams that try to press his passing is important, if they sit off and counter and gave easy possession at the back as Palace have then it has little influence. Amrabat, Lindelof and Varane had nearly 300 passes between them, usually in a lot of space with no need to involve Onana.
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DDG wasn't the main issue, and we should have used the money towards Kane, made an insane enough bid to get it over the line.
The keeper who kept conceding silly goals and giving the ball away was not a main issue?
Yes we needed a top striker and we also needed a new keeper.
My point is very clear. You can bring in whatever goalkeeper you want but if you don't have the pieces in place to be able to play out of the back under pressure it won't matter. We didn't last season have those pieces in place, and this season we still don't have players comfortable there receiving ball under pressure and finding the open person to keep it moving
Stats don't back you up, he masked our shit defense.
Rest of the team is shit. Onana or De Gea, it makes little difference
We play out under pressure fine which is why teams do not press us as much as opposed to last season where teams actively targeted us with the press. So that point you’re making is moot.
The issue with breaking down low blocks and general play in open play has nothing to do with the keeper.
“Transformation”. 
Maybe yep we didnt need him but if we hadnt, we would had to give DDG a three year deal.....love DDG but not for another three years.....
Not seeing it
Are people really blaming him for the goal?
I mean, we needed a new goalkeeper. if not for this season, then for the next one. just don't expect miracles because some hipster pundit convinced you that keepers are key for this so called transformation.
btw, Inter scored 4 tonight, 5 against Milan, 4 against Fiorentina. top of the table atm with 19 goals scored already, more than City. maybe we should buy their new keeper as well
btw, Inter scored 4 tonight, 5 against Milan, 4 against Fiorentina. top of the table atm with 19 goals scored already, more than City. maybe we should buy their new keeper as well
We conceded 43 all year last year. And this includes the 7 from Liverpool and 6 from Man City. Without these two games, we conceded 30. Which is really good. Even 43 is good, only Newcastle and City conceded less.
This year we have already conceded 11. Do you think we will concede less than 43 by the end of the year?
How much of our problems at the back this season are due to the goalkeeper and how much due to our (ever changing) defence?
The keeper was not a main issue last year, no. Despite the nonsense between 'keeper' and 'was' in your post.
Who knows? Do you?
The fact is that our "goals against" did not improve. It became worse.
Which could be multi-factorial, in large part due to having our first, second and third-choice centre halves (the third being our first-choice left back) injured, as well as our second-choice and now third-choice left back along with our possible first choice right back.
Are you really suggesting we should've extended de Gea's contract? Over a four-year period, the cost of retaining a 33-year old de Gea (even on half his wages) would've been £40m. Do you think that would've been a sound financial option?
Holding Onana in any way responsible for the failure of our attacking players to deal with a well organised parked bus is bizarre.
There is one thing that I found annoying though, and I’m surprised nobody seems to have mentioned it. There were plenty of occasions when our defenders were well placed to pass the ball forward quickly, but they (particularly Lindelöf) instead opted to pass back to Onana; presumably in the belief that he’d do a better passing job than they would. It was this that slowed the game down more than anything.
There is one thing that I found annoying though, and I’m surprised nobody seems to have mentioned it. There were plenty of occasions when our defenders were well placed to pass the ball forward quickly, but they (particularly Lindelöf) instead opted to pass back to Onana; presumably in the belief that he’d do a better passing job than they would. It was this that slowed the game down more than anything.
How many did we concede in the first 7 games last season?
Lost a cup final and knocked out of Europe, massive errors from the keeper. Not a main issue, could not soak up pressure at all last season at the end of games, could not keep hold of the ball, but the keeper was not a main issue.
The keeper was a big issue and so was not having a CF
Waiting for a response from the poster who keeps claiming that other posters were claimimg that Onana would 'change the attack'
Im not a Lindelof basher but having Martinez instead of Lindelof could have made a big difference today
2 years ,great business, second year bench option.
Yes they are, it's pathetic!Are people really blaming him for the goal?
The difference today was the two keepers, both had similar shots to stop, one succeeded one failed.
Onana only seems to be able to stop shots that are directly at him, anything low or across his body he seems to struggle to stop.
Onana only seems to be able to stop shots that are directly at him, anything low or across his body he seems to struggle to stop.
De Gea doesn’t save it every time but there times he’s saved shots like that and made even more difficult saves. We forget De Gea in his 12 seasons made amazing world class saves on a regular basis. Now what defines an amazing world class save? It’s one where if it went in you can’t blame the keeper. So we can’t blame Onana for letting that in.
That guy loves De Gea. De Gea wouldn't have saved it, either. It was a great goal.
The “De Gea would have saved that” point lacks common sense. It’s like replacing prime Messi with Halaand. Then whenever Halaand loses the ball 20 yard out of the box saying “we’ll Messi would have dribbled past 3 players and scored”
We all knew De Gea was in his prime one of the best shotstoppers ever. Without even seeing Onana statistically it was unlikely he, or any replacement, would be as good a shot stopper as prime De Gea.
Also add Casemiro's form and the entire team being disjointed.
Onana has exploitable flaws where any shot low or edges of his reach go in (ie not a great shot stopper), some of caf romanticize him and the play style he champions but we won't go anywhere with him in goal with us for a long time.
His good stats are based on Ajax where they dominated a weak league, based on Inter where his save stats were less than top 4 standard despite behind a top defense. And a UCL run vs out of form Barca and Italy/Portugal teams. His UCL stats were statpadded vs weak opponents and anomalies vs any normal run. Inter defensive has masked his flaws but even then it was noticable, he dropped manyvsilly points on routine brain farts. Inter werent as sad to get rid. I'll go on a limb and say Onana play pa ckage won't win us much but once he is exposed for these flaws will cost us on the regular. Logic dictates if we put him in a league that scores more and a team that relents more chances he will not succeed.
It's a move facilitated by the EtH veto, and more and more EtH seem clueless to the needs of EPL and United. I have nothing against Onana, he is here and we got rid of his predecessor for idealogical reasons instead of retaining him for a year or two and work on rest of team because 'DDG bad trope'. In no way Onana' fault we play like this and poor guy is pressured to glue his line now, he is facing faster pace, big lads, zone bullies all the time and under pressure. Only way I see success with him is if we outscore our opponents and keep shots against him very limited via a solid defense. That's the one metrics where a goalie like him makes sense. People also reference injury crisis at back, but that's also fact and need to be counted on regularly but conveniently people offer that 'detail' up as a free pass. This is all on EtH and his veto on transfers. He made us porous on theoretical ideals across the field.
(I accept all the shit Caf will throw my way for voicing a firm and sane belief i hold and offer this post to be dug up to bash me with when he will Ballon D'or, but highly doubt that will happen)
Me neither.
Oh I’m sure you’re right. For a start it would lessen the necessity for Casemiro to have to be our sole playmaker; a role he’s hardly stellar at.
The lack of intelligence displayed by our attacking players yesterday was something else though.
Onana is fine. He’s not the problem in this team. It’s not the keepers job to score two goals against a weak Palace side.
Their goal was so good too. I mean it wouldn’t have mattered who was in goal yesterday for us we’d have lost the match.
Their goal was so good too. I mean it wouldn’t have mattered who was in goal yesterday for us we’d have lost the match.
He had no chance of saving that goal yesterday. However with all the possesion we had and given the fluidity of that defence yesterday I thought he would have been involved a lot more in working the angles. Seems somewhat reluctant to come out and get involved.
There's a difference between blaming Onana for the goal and then stating that we've seen DDG save shots like that many times, even without it being considered a spectacular save because we were used to seeing it. Onana so far has looked very average in terms of reflex saves and naturally some people are starting to realize that it was actually kind of nice to have a keeper who routinely saved shots you wouldn't necessary have expected him to.
Doesn’t make sense at all your point. Last season Martinez was fit. Varane was fit. Shaw was fit. AWB was fit.
None of our starting back 4 have been fit all season… and Casemiro looked unfit at first until the past few games. Antony also been out who helps defending the right wing…
Add to that the team been totally unbalanced formation wise. Wonder why we concede more goals? Not rocket science is it.
Main issue is we can’t and don’t score any goals. Defence is the best part of our team.
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