The only difference is my gran would have saved all of today's shots, and she's been dead for 50 years!
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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The only difference is my gran would have saved all of today's shots, and she's been dead for 50 years!
Are you trying to insinuate the caf of all places is racist?
Maybe his bad performances are more to do with it. He was not perfect this match, and he was certainly not our MOTM. Shaw, Evans, even Varane, deserve that more than him. He fumbled a bit, and his passing was largely woeful, and the shots he saved are shots any goalkeeper should be expected to save.
Oh come on, it's not a mystery why. He's the main reason we're out of the Champions League, simple as that.
Of course people will be extra critical with him until he proves us wrong. And 1 single good game won't do that, let him perform like he did today for the rest of the reason and the criticism will go away
He put some mid range passes out of play, but i think people understimate the impact having a keeper so unfazed by pressure in short passing has on other players. As a fan, because im a nervous wreck expecting a mistake, doesnt mean onana is
Most misleading stat ever.
Another game he makes a couple of standard saves and people are rushing to take this as evidence he's actually great. Exactly what I've seen time and time again he gets lots of praise for average saves just because we expect him to chuck them in.
Like praising a kid for pissing all over the toilet seat just because he didn't piss his pants for once.
Like praising a kid for pissing all over the toilet seat just because he didn't piss his pants for once.
I think he will be ok for us long term. He's not a great shot stopper but has a very strong mentality, I would imagine De Gea would've crumbled under this pressure.
I also think his passing is really good, the problem is sometimes it's not in sync with the players but that's coachable.
I see very high xG for Liverpool (surprising actually), that might put him back in top 3 for shotstoppers in EPL. What a carousel this season is from stats perspective.
I also think his passing is really good, the problem is sometimes it's not in sync with the players but that's coachable.
I see very high xG for Liverpool (surprising actually), that might put him back in top 3 for shotstoppers in EPL. What a carousel this season is from stats perspective.
He really didn’t find the spare man every single time, at one point he kicked it out of play 3 kicks in a row.
he flapped at crosses, he was in no man’s land for a cross, but he did save the shots that were at him Atleast so not going to moan too much about him today. People saying he was motm though are having a laugh
I’m not saying that… I’m saying that there seems to be a strong dislike of him vs the blind support that other new players who’ve contributed far less than him get.
He’s just put in a MOTM performance against Liverpool, yet he’s being criticised, whereas Hojlund or at times Mount get supported through the utter dross they serve up without fail.
Onana is in the most high pressure position and deserves support and credit when he basically gets us a point at Anfield.
He has the most clean sheets in the PL this season ffs.
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I didnt get to see the game but the impression I have is he had a decent game, good to hear.
He was fine, dealt with everything he had to easily. Overall he wasn't tested and was quite good on the ball aside from a few stray kickouts.
Why was that a motm performance? And it certainly wasn’t down to him why we got the point
Most clean sheets in the PL this season.
His shot stopping stats are so odd. After today he'll probably be 4th best in the Prem, and top 25 in Europe. But he's made numerous mistakes and he doesn't make that many memorable saves. Despite that, if the season ended today, he would finish with a better shot stopping stat than De Gea had in any of his last 5 seasons (though the stat can and will go down as well as up over the rest of the season, so no chickens counted).
I might dig out the detailed stats if I get bored this week, but it seems like he excels at the routine stops, which add up a lot more than it seems. Despite the phrase, there is no such as thing as a save a keeper is expected to make. All keepers let saveable shots in. What matters is how often.
If you looked at De Gea's stats in his final few years at the club, the mistakes weren't the problem. The issue was how often routine shots got past him. Not out and out mistakes, maybe not even ones you lament as "should do better". Just shots where the best keepers are saving them 70% of the time, but he was only doing them 40% of the time. It meant that he rarely got above average in his overall shot stopping stats.
Feels like Onana is the opposite, doing the routine but unremarkable stuff well at the moment, which is adding up to decent stats overall. But he's disappointing fans with really bad mistakes in key games, and not making the kind of flying top corner saves that has fans going away purring.
Combined with the fact that quality passing is a bit of a hard thing to quantify for a keeper, I'm willing to bet that Onana will struggle to ever win fans onside, no matter how good his shot stopping stats end up being.
I might dig out the detailed stats if I get bored this week, but it seems like he excels at the routine stops, which add up a lot more than it seems. Despite the phrase, there is no such as thing as a save a keeper is expected to make. All keepers let saveable shots in. What matters is how often.
If you looked at De Gea's stats in his final few years at the club, the mistakes weren't the problem. The issue was how often routine shots got past him. Not out and out mistakes, maybe not even ones you lament as "should do better". Just shots where the best keepers are saving them 70% of the time, but he was only doing them 40% of the time. It meant that he rarely got above average in his overall shot stopping stats.
Feels like Onana is the opposite, doing the routine but unremarkable stuff well at the moment, which is adding up to decent stats overall. But he's disappointing fans with really bad mistakes in key games, and not making the kind of flying top corner saves that has fans going away purring.
Combined with the fact that quality passing is a bit of a hard thing to quantify for a keeper, I'm willing to bet that Onana will struggle to ever win fans onside, no matter how good his shot stopping stats end up being.
Overall a decent game, good positioning and stood strong in a pressurized situation. Did some mistakes but also played some good balls out.
If we can grow defensively I think he can be alright with players like Varane and a decent midfield.
If we can grow defensively I think he can be alright with players like Varane and a decent midfield.
That dummy / step over on Nunez in the 1st half 
He is top 2 in almost every goalkeeping stat that matters.
He is top 2 in almost every goalkeeping stat that matters.
Thank you!
Now let’s start giving this guy the same support that others are getting.
Imagine if Hojlund was top 2 in all the CF goal scoring stats ffs.
Onana has what it takes - get behind him.
how about respecting other opinions as well ? The people who have watched the same match ?
He was the main reason why Liverpool couldn't do wave after wave attacks .
I stick to it. He was one of the best players today. Probably the guys at SOFA score is also having a laugh because they gave a rating on 9.3 today
Not every shot is saveable. De Gea used to save a lot of shots that were superb, but he wasn't good at shostopping generally last season as you said. He had absolutely no passing ability for this level and inspired no confidence - hence he was cut loose. And that was the correct decision. You are right about the "routine" shots going past De Gea.
I agree with the bolded part on Onana. The only thing he needs to get rid of are the "mistakes" (mostly in the CL). That is why I'm fairly optimistic about him. But I do think he'll not stop great shots like De Gea used to. Not sure there are GKs around that would, so I am reasonably happy with Onana for the time being.
I also think we're not using his passing ability yet. What is disappointing.
This was very apparent at the time. Not defending United's performance, but a bit of context would help everyone. Not least the Scousers. The atmosphere today was as flat as a pancake. In complete contrast to what you would expect from an Anfield crowd against United, or even a Goodison crowd against United. That no doubt helped our players today.
Exactly. Sick of this agenda driven posts. This guy hasn't had the best start and he isn't this bad. Just fecking give some time.
Did the guys at sofa give him motm then?
varane and mainoo were fantastic, genuine shouts for motm, like I said and my main reply to that you ignored was that Onana kicked it out of play numerous times, he didn’t find someone every single time, I don’t know why people need to exaggerate. He had a decent game yeah, made the saves you expect him to save, job done.
Spot on. He saved what he was suppose to save and had some very good passes and some terrible ones. A mid tier performance
I ignored your post because you were hand picking some minute details from our toughest away match. That didn't deserve a response.
Yes,SOFA gave him the highest rating above Varane or any other player. So I am assuming, he is the MOM.
It wasn’t minute detail. You was praising him for something he didn’t do, just the same as people who give him shit for things he hasn’t done.
As the poster above said, he made some great passes and some shit passes. It doesn’t need to be exaggerated either way
He was dodgy once again. Get rid as soon as possible.
He dropped one cross? Kicked a couple out for throw ins?
What else did he do that was dodgy?
A ‘mid tier performance’!? Ffs cmon, at least hide it.
You might want to look at the number of shots conceded in this game vs the 7-0…
Then look at Liverpool’s xG in each game and come back and state that was ‘mid tier’ from Onana.
This is a good watch, the title is bollocks though.
XG? What the hell man. A shot in post is a high XG. A shot wide is a plus to XG. Doesnt mean the GK was world class. He did ok! Nothing more. Relax
Spot on.
He dropped two crosses. One in the first half and one at the end of the game. Kicked a couple out of play and yeah that’s it.
What else did he do bar the one save he almost directed straight to a Liverpool player?
How many crosses did he collect to help relieve the pressure?
It's always a good performance whenever a goalkeeper keeps a clean sheet and Onana was certainly very solid goalkeeping wise today. Comparing games on xG is a bad measure though, as it doesn't take into consideration the quality of the shot. Theoretically the 26 shots they made that didn't require a save could have made up just about all the expected goals. With so many shots taken (16 more than last time) they're always going to have pretty high xG.
He is just unflappable with the ball at his feet, sure his passes don’t always hit the target.
Sometimes I wonder if it’s partly to do with having CB’s that don’t really want the ball.
But he always helps take the pressure off and kills any attempt the opposition might have at pressing him.
Good game today.
Sometimes I wonder if it’s partly to do with having CB’s that don’t really want the ball.
But he always helps take the pressure off and kills any attempt the opposition might have at pressing him.
Good game today.
There wasn't many crosses he could have claimed, they were mostly deep and kept away from the 6 yard box. He dealt with everything they threw at him quite easily, came out and helped make a good block when Nunez had a clear sight of goal. On the ball he was mostly good.
Not really much to complain about from him today.
Kept a clean sheet at Anfield which is a super achievement. A bit too chaotic in the first half. Came for one cross but got nowhere near it. Failed to hold onto the ball in another instance, leading to a chance for Salah that he saved. Wish more thought went into his clearances and long balls.
Flapped a few times and repeatedly put the ball into touch, but made saves he should have made. Job done.
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