Was happy with him.
Seems to have a good personality too
A man United personality in my opinion
Love how he annoyed VVD too
Seems to have a good personality too
A man United personality in my opinion
Love how he annoyed VVD too
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 51
- Clean sheets
- 13
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 6
- Status
Is that true? His stats under high balls wasn’t great when we signed him. Similar to DDG (I.e, bad) so that’s a bonus.
Can you share the stats source?
Great post
Agreed that there's nothing to moan about in his performance. I think it's more that people are going further the other way to balance out those who are framing it as some sort of titanic performance.
He's been mostly good in the league. But absolutely cost us in CL with his mistakes (even though he saved a pen vs Copenhagen).
He's made 4 less high claims so far than we saw all last season.
It's on the PL website under keeper stats or in the app. He's made 11. There might be a few there who only played 1 or 2 games. But all in all he's made more high claims that Allison.
That's crazy
Hojlund is a 20 year old striker playing in front of another kid, Antony the most useless winger in the league and McT at number 10. The other one is a seasoned pro, that just cost us CL football, why the feck are you surprised. You can rest assured that will forever be on him, because people do have a memory obviously healthier than yours.
Now when it's Onana suddenly "there weren't many crosses he could have claimed", well he didn't claim a single one if I remember correctly. If it was a certain other GK, you would have lambasted him to heavens and back. The 2 out of 3 worst situations in which we could have conceded came after he flapped on high claims of the ball.
He wasn't the CL howler merchant today, but someone wrote superb and outstanding, which is laughable. Like they have never seen a superb GK performance in their lives.
To be honest, I was probably over criticical him, but most of that was borne out of frustration with him being the highest paid keeper in the world but being one of the worst performers in the league across almost every metric for several seasons. And just generally not improving a single aspect of his game over 10 years.
Onana has been pretty much middle of the road in terms of everything in the PL so far. CL was a shit show, no arguments there. He was fine yesterday, did what he had to do and mostly did it well. Kept another clean sheet which puts him joint top of that stat. So proof to me that even an average all round keeper can be as effective or if not more effective and better for the team than a pure goal line stopper.
In the PL conceding goals hasn't been the problem, it's been scoring them. Utd have the 5th or 6th best defence and the 5th or 6th worst attack.
Its funny how quiet the critics get when we go to Anfield, and their great 'press' that were supposed to be terrified of just doesnt work like it has in recent years. It doesnt look like much on tv, but when a goalkeeper is playing poor passess or taking too long you really do notice it and it allows a team like Liverpool to dominate.
Onana had a disastrous CL campaign, and has a very different style to de gea who weve known so well for a decade. But take out that CL campaign and hes been excellent and was among our best players in tough away games, completely unphased at newcastle, everton and Pool, when there was real pressure on him.
Onana had a disastrous CL campaign, and has a very different style to de gea who weve known so well for a decade. But take out that CL campaign and hes been excellent and was among our best players in tough away games, completely unphased at newcastle, everton and Pool, when there was real pressure on him.
I hope the bloke does well - if he was half as good as his interiews we'd be onto a winner, seems a lovely guy.
But this narrative he's been anything other than average at best in the league is nonsense.
He has the most clean sheets behind a makeshift defence, and his passing has been a big improvement. Excellent might be a stretch but theres enough there to think he will improve even more behind a settled defence and one with better ball players.
That is simply not true, and him being the highest paid player, while we had players like Lingard on 120k and now Antony on God knows how much, make it even more funny.
Onana was bellow fine imo yesterday, on another day he made 2 border line howlers and 1 save which was typical of him and went straight back into danger.
I was watching the game with a Liverpool friend of mine. He was furious at how back they actually were. On another day, we were a spanking overdue, and a completely different talk would have followed for the GK too.
And thank feck man, I've been drumming that drum for 5 months, GK was not a priority looking at our team.
We let the current golden glove winner go for free 6 months ago, so not sure why this stat is relevant when assessing our new shiny GK.
He’s going to be very important for us.
Probably because it was rammed down our throats by those who were crying after De Gea got ditched.
Liverpool play like that every week. They play crap long ball football and spam balls into the box and hope one them falls right. It's how they play, yesterday nothing fell right for them.
GK was absolutely a priority, Onana played a huge part in negating Liverpools pressing. His ability on the ball was key to frustrating them and not allowing them win the ball high in dangerous areas.
And then called a nonsense statistic by the same folks that are now using it to burnish Onana's credentials. Funny how that happens...
It's ironic. I guess if De Gea was terrific last season because of that statistic, Onana must have been pretty special to date too.
See, it works both ways. One thing though, David de Gea topped this metric at the end of the season. Will be interesting to see if Onana does the same but for now it's not like for like.
Will be far more impressive if Onana achieves it. He's comfortably the better keeper too.
Of course it's relevant, in context of the broader picture of his performances. If he hadn't kept a clean sheet, wouldn't that be relevant? It was relevant for De Gea too, who was an excellent shot stopper and a great goalkeeper at his best. But he was getting progressively worse and more nervous with his feet and it was time to go.
That's just, like, your opinion man...
They don't like that stat now....
As Jimmy Greaves would say. It's a funny old game.
Yet now you do! Odd that...
Yeah he's the keeper mate
Corrected you
Would happily go for a pint with the bloke.
Careful, he'll spill it.
It doesn't really allow you to assess an individual keeper's ability though given it's a team award.
Only if someone's playing the CL music in the background
It's actually unlucky if you concede a penalty as a keeper there. They are very rarely given.
It's definitely at the point where you seem so caught up with a thread you created that you will criticise the guy no matter what.
Nah.. I'm just using it to show how ironic it is that DDG was great because of that stat. But somehow the same logic doesn't apply to Onana.
Joint most clean sheets and +4 psxg. 2nd highest save % in the league. He really can't be all that bad.
I don't think he's all that bad and I really hope he shows some form but his style and some of his fundamentals inspire mistrust. Mistrust which hasn't exactly been calmed by his performances to date.
No, but nobody is saying it does? Must every single metric be included all the time, to avoid somebody interpreting one point like clean sheets, as being the only important one. In this case too, it is fair to say it arguably deserves more weight as onana has been the only constant behind a ridiculously chopped and changed defence. We're incredibly quick to say certain keepers cant organise their defence or inspire confidence, but dont want to entertain this when it doesnt suit.
Clean sheets are an important thing, but not a defining stat - but nobody is claiming it is. This isnt a controversial or arguable things to say, the only reason I can think its triggered some people is because theyve already made their mind up on Onana.
Onana may be a better passer but yesterday certainly wasn’t evidence of it. He played 14 long balls yesterday and had a 62.8% pass completion rate. I can’t find De Gea’s figures for the same fixture but it’s worse than his average last season and considerably more long balls.
The thing is we negated shit, as they pressed us up to our throats and pinned us in our box most of the time. They also had 69% possession because we only were able to pass it from the GK to the CB and it was pathetic, and everything else was hoof it and hope, because as shown in our case, the GK was not a priority to go toe to toe with teams like Liverpool, but midfielders and capable forward line. We barely got out without conceding thank to a great game to both of our CBs, Shaw and Dalot too.
FBRef have both match reports.
7-0
0-0
Onana had 100% Save % with PSxG of 1.4
De Gea had 12.5% Save % with PSxG of 3.9
Both of them were very poor at dealing with crosses but Onana was worse (3.2% for Onana, 6.7% for DDG)
Average pass length was similar (38.5 m for Onana vs 40.6m for DDG)
When Onana hit the ball long his pass completion was slightly better than DDG (44.4% vs 37.5%)
He also hit it long slightly less often than DDG (51.3% vs 57.6%)
The biggest difference between them was their actions as a sweeper. For Onana his average position was 18m off his line. For DDG an absolutely pathetic 5.7m.
That last stat alone will have made a huge difference in helping to keep Liverpool at arm's length.
Onana played 43 passes, 27 hit their target. 30 long balls, 14 were accurate.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...-League-2023-2024-Liverpool-Manchester-United
In the 7-0.
DDG played 16 long balls, 5 were accurate. Overall he played 22 passes, 11 were accurate.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...-League-2022-2023-Liverpool-Manchester-United
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