Amorim: «We are maybe the worst team in Man United history»

DomesticTadpole said:
You look at the performances against Liverpool and Arsenal. This squad cannot seem to sustain that sort of intensity from one game to the next. That is a physical and mental problem to me. Although look at Arsenal celebrating beating a terrible Spurs side like they had won the world cup and then p*ssing away a two goal lead to Villa in the next. A lot of the teams doing well in the lead are not playing the number of games the bigger teams are, so get the rest and preparation time between games. Will be interesting to see how some of the smaller clubs cope if they do get Europe and how their squad cope.
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Fitness (or lack thereof) definitely plays a part in our inconsistent performances. It's not something that anybody can fix overnight.

Case in point - we've seen countless midtable teams punch above their weight to get into European football, then their performance levels dip the season after. Same will happen with Forest and Bournemouth if they make Europe season.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Just heard Alan Pardew on Talksport, who rates Amorin very highly, his co-contributor asked him if he thought the comment was directed at the owners. He said when he heard it again he thought it was a very calculated comment, not overly emotional and was directed to the fans, so we know where we are with the squad. He needs backing if not January, in the summer or we will just go round and round in circles and go absolutely nowhere.
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So he's doing a Rangnick? Not very good.
 
He's not wrong, but we're broke. Like it or not, there isn't going to be a squad overhaul.
 
The Mitcher said:
I was born 19 years later and know about it.
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Me too, but we’re United fans. I couldn’t tell you much from pre-93 about the other clubs on par with United in terms of reach, other than their major successes. Madrid winning 5 in a row, Bayern winning 3 in a row, and a handful of the players for each. But I don’t know much about their failures, because it isn’t talked about.
 
Winrar said:
Fitness (or lack thereof) definitely plays a part in our inconsistent performances. It's not something that anybody can fix overnight.

We've seen countless midtable teams punch above their weight to get into European football, then their performance levels dip the season after.
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It isn't. This guy needs a pre-season. This problem has been an issue for a while. Is there a common denominator within the conditioning staff who have been there for a while. Thing is Manchester United should have a squad capable of sustaining intensity and that players can be rested, but actually we haven't due to lack of quality, lack of legs and some being constantly injured so never available anyway.
 
Carl said:
It's mad when you look at this team. Not only would they get nowhere near Fergie's united teams but most of them wouldn't even get in Solskjaer's.
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Turns my stomach that we had a team that finished second twice with Ole and got to a Europa final, that most were not happy with and wanted more (rightly) then we gut the squad, spend millions and end up with a team below mid table.
ETH and whoever else were responsibly for our signings have ruined us
 
Obviously, it’s been said to get a reaction from the players, to challenge their pride and determination to prove him wrong. Most of them will already have the feeling they won’t be here much longer, so losing the dressing room doesn’t really matter. He will be watching to see which players, if any, respond. Amorim isn’t daft.
 
2 man midfield said:
Me too, but we’re United fans. I couldn’t tell you much from pre-93 about the other clubs on par with United in terms of reach, other than their major successes. Madrid winning 5 in a row, Bayern winning 3 in a row, and a handful of the players for each. But I don’t know much about their failures, because it isn’t talked about.
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It's United, our relegation is one of the most famous relegations in football history.
 
Think he quickly realized how truly rotten this club is behind the scenes, and fair play to him for not sugarcoating things but telling it how it is.

This situation isn't solely one person fault, it's culmination of the mismanagement United has been in for the last 20 years under Glazers and hopefully most of the first team will feck off from the club.

I would rather see us relegated if that means all those leaches leaving than having to endure groundhog day over and over again.
 
This is clearly 100% on INEOS

We now have a manager who obvioisly knows what he is doing and is very good, but he needs new players. Both because we have a lot of players who are not good enough [anymore], such as Casemiro, Rashford, Eriksen, but also because this manager has radically different system than anything we have played in the past. INEOS insisted recruiting him in October, and yet they have no money to buy him players he so obvioiusly needs? This is not just dumb, this is irresponsible negligence.
 
Not wrong really. We have mainly low technique, low football IQ, low athleticism or antique players. Where the money went on this squad is a head scratcher tbh.
 
Stadjer said:
Worst team in 20 years i can fully understand but surely this team isnt worse than some pre SAF teams?
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It’s possibly worse than the 86/87 team. The following year we were half decent after signing Brian McClair, but after the collapse that followed winning the first ten games of the season in 85, I thought that was as bad as it could ever be to be a United supporter. I was wrong.
 
What's the point of a manager saying such things about his own team? How is this going to help us do better, play better and collect more points? If I was a player (actually, if I was a worker of any type, in an office for example) and my manager said to the public that our group is the worst in the history of this company, I'd despise the manager.

It doesn't matter if this is the truth or not. The manager's job is not to report the truth to the public, that's a journalist's job. The manager's job is to help the team do better as a group than what the individual players can do.

The only reason I can see that a manager says "We are maybe the worst team in Man United history" is to shield himself from criticism. I really don't like this.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
The statement is not factually incorrect - that much is obvious. Squad-wise and results-wise, we are the worst team in Manchester United history. Also, it is not out of his character to state it - Amorim was famous for being honest even before he signed for us - this is right on cue.

But should he have said that? Opinions will differ, but personally I'm glad he's at least staying true to himself and not willing to budge on his ideas unlike his predecessor. He'll most likely fail, but at least it won't be because he didn't back himself.
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Umm acktshually moment but factually it is incorrect. We've been relegated multiple times from a much weaker league.

Realistically — considering the club's stature, salaries, transfer fees et cetera it's probably the worst it's ever been. But factually — no, both squad-wide and results-wise there have been worse teams in Manchester United's ~150 years long history.
 
TheGame said:
Oh bore the feck off! We’ve seen you moaning most of the time about ETH and the players and now you are here defending this shit! Do me a favour.

Any manager who comes out and calls it the worse team in history is a fecking moron. In case he hasn’t noticed, we haven’t got money for a massive overhaul of players so he will be working with these players going forward. It’s no fecking surprise players are being more successful after they leave our club.
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Do you really think that?
 
hellhunter said:
And there's no manager that could make this squad beat Brighton?
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This is such a ridiculous response. What is our goal here? We’ve hired a manager who has a clear system that made him successful in another country. Although it may need to evolve over the years, he’s obviously going to try and bring his system to United, that’s why we hired him. The end goal is winning the league title.

Yes, there’s a manager we could’ve appointed who could come in and get Rashford, Fernandes and the rest. on form, who on their day are very capable of beating Brighton and getting us enough points to even finish in the top 4. There’s also a manager who could sign somebody short term and get the best out of them, like ETH with Casemiro. But, inevitably as has happened consistently for years now, eventually Rashford, Fernandes etc. will drop off, as they are top 4 players not title winning players, and any signings who had a short term impact will decline, and we’ll be stuck in the same cycle simply because we wanted results to improve immediately, and never get close to a league title.

Instead, what I want to see, is a manager who sticks with his system, and lets us all know that he doesn’t have the right players for the system, even if it means we can’t beat the likes of Brighton on a regular basis in the short term, and this includes players like Rashford who could be utilised effectively, but are not league title winning players. And then, eventually, he’s going to be able to sign players and will become familiar with the academy, and he will sign players who fit into his system, and after a few windows he will have his own team. The goal is that this team is capable of winning the league, even if we miss out on a few top 4 finishes along the road. We have to think long term. I won’t judge the manager until 3-4 windows. If we’re still shit when he’s bought players for his own system, then I’ll see him as a problem.

For now, I don’t care about beating Brighton. It just provides more evidence that the manager hasn’t got the players for his system. And you want him to forget about the long term goal, abandon his system, and get the best out of what he has so we can immediately go on a decent run, like we did under Ole and Ten Hag, when it’s the same shitty players who got both those managers sacked? That’s genuinely insane, but I can understand it, because you’re just sick of losing games. But we have to be very patient this time.
 
surely this is a better take on the team than the pure denial of Ten Hag. If Amorim turns it round at all to make us champions league place contenders (obviously not this year), or dare I say league contenders, this would be one of great managerial strokes of genius. up there with Ferguson reclaiming the title in 94. I admire his honesty and find it refreshing and offering a hope in the acknowledging of just how bad the situation is
 
Church o Choccy said:
I would encourage all United fans to go back and re-watch the game at West Ham at the end of October. We lost, it was Ten Hag's last match in charge. We weren't great but it was actually a very decent performance and we were unlucky to lose. Our chance creation was really good, our finishing was poor, and we controlled large sections of the game both in and out of possession.

It wasn't good enough and Ten Hag hadn't been getting results for more than a year so he was sacked fair enough. But we weren't "the worst team in the history of Manchester United" when he left. We're there now because of how much worse we've got since then.
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We had 11 point in 9 league matches when he was sacked. That was on pace for being the worst team in generations. Not only was it 11 points in 9 matches, but United only faced 1 top 6 team in that time frame.

In Amorin's 10 matches, we have faced top 6 opposition 5 times!!! (Bournemouth as well who is 7th, and Brighton who apparently has beaten United 8 times in the last 16 matches they have played.)

Absolutely brutal run of fixtures for Amorin, and we are basically scoring the same points per game under ETH who had the benefit of a.) an easier fixture list, b.) players who have were bought for his system and recruited by him, and c.) players who have played in his system for a few years.

And yet-- we were incredibly wank under ETH-- worse than what we are now when you factor in the fixture list. 10 points in 10 games vs that fixture list is a better showing than 11 in 9 when ETH faced a much easier fixture list.


Unbelievable that you are trying to argue that we weren't that bad because we played well vs a poor West Ham team, while ignoring that we were wank the first 9 matches, and finished last season with 2 wins in 10. We were on pace for a record low points total in the EPL under Ten Hag.


I'm tired of complaining from people about Amorin's system. Well, what system should United play to keep Onana from making horrendous mistakes? An 11-0-0. Just everyone in front of goal blocking shots. What formation should United play that will allow Rasmus to have a first touch, make the right run and be clinical in front of goal?

It's not a formation issue- it's a talent issue and we all know it. No one can score goals, and our keeper gifts too many soft goals. It's not going to be solved overnight-- players aren't magically just going to improve their skillsets over night. It took Klopp 4 years to build a powerhouse. 4, and he inherited a far better roster than Amorin.

And yet people are shocked 10 games in that United still sucks and aren't running over teams like it's 1999.

You can't undo 10 years of incompetence in 10 games. A lot of people just need to stop watching for a few years because barring United hitting on 3 or 4 transfers, next year isn't going to be great either. It's a full rebuild, and you can't rebuild until you go through a few transfer windows.

I appreciate Amorin's honesty and not BS'ing fans. We all know what he says is true. He's pleading for help, and so far United hasn't been able to shift anyone out in the transfer window so they can bring in some help. He already has both hands tied behind his back, and this crack front office can't shift anyone or bring anyone in to help. That is the frustrating part. Help out a brother, get him a LWB or a striker who is moderately clinical. This roster is so bad, that almost anyone is an improvement over what Amorin has.
 
harms said:
Umm acktshually moment but factually it is incorrect. We've been relegated multiple times from a much weaker league.

Realistically — considering the club's stature, salaries, transfer fees et cetera it's probably the worst it's ever been. But factually — no, both squad-wide and results-wise there have been worse teams in Manchester United's ~150 years long history.
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:lol: I stand corrected.

I was thinking of the Premier League era only, for some reason.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Then thank feck you aren't a United player. We have enough thin skinned losers.

Imagine if Fergie called Keane or Neville shit. They'd tell him to feck off and go out the next game fired up ready to prove him wrong. These lot just wilt under the pressure
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That squad actually had balls and the mentality to fight. This team doesn't have that. I don't think calling the team shit in public is going to work with these players. He's right, but I don't think it will work. They can't handle the pressure of playing for this club.
 
I’m absolutely fine with comments like this. The nice arm around shoulder act doesn’t work with this group of players. Seen that time and time again.
Time for some tough love. Manager slagging them off or fans jeering them off the pitch. They can have absolutely no complaints. They don’t react when you try and entourage them so feck it, chuck the useless sack of shits under the bus. Inevitably we’ll be rid of the lot of them within the next few years.
I mean wtf does Amorim have to lose at this point. We have 2 league wins in about 11. Lost four out of five home games and all but one by a margin of more than one goal. What could they possibly do to sink any lower.
 
Offside said:
This is such a ridiculous response. What is our goal here? We’ve hired a manager who has a clear system that made him successful in another country. Although it may need to evolve over the years, he’s obviously going to try and bring his system to United, that’s why we hired him. The end goal is winning the league title.

Yes, there’s a manager we could’ve appointed who could come in and get Rashford, Fernandes and the rest. on form, who on their day are very capable of beating Brighton and getting us enough points to even finish in the top 4. There’s also a manager who could sign somebody short term and get the best out of them, like ETH with Casemiro. But, inevitably as has happened consistently for years now, eventually Rashford, Fernandes etc. will drop off, as they are top 4 players not title winning players, and any signings who had a short term impact will decline, and we’ll be stuck in the same cycle simply because we wanted results to improve immediately, and never get close to a league title.

Instead, what I want to see, is a manager who sticks with his system, and lets us all know that he doesn’t have the right players for the system, even if it means we can’t beat the likes of Brighton on a regular basis in the short term, and this includes players like Rashford who could be utilised effectively, but are not league title winning players. And then, eventually, he’s going to be able to sign players and will become familiar with the academy, and he will sign players who fit into his system, and after a few windows he will have his own team. The goal is that this team is capable of winning the league, even if we miss out on a few top 4 finishes along the road. We have to think long term. I won’t judge the manager until 3-4 windows. If we’re still shit when he’s bought players for his own system, then I’ll see him as a problem.

For now, I don’t care about beating Brighton. It just provides more evidence that the manager hasn’t got the players for his system. And you want him to forget about the long term goal, abandon his system, and get the best out of what he has so we can immediately go on a decent run, like we did under Ole and Ten Hag, when it’s the same shitty players who got both those managers sacked? That’s genuinely insane, but I can understand it, because you’re just sick of losing games. But we have to be very patient this time.
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Im not against Amorim at all, I have faith in the guy. I'm still hopeful we'll come good under him. I totally get him not swapping systems, I'm in agreement with that.

At the same time, I'm adamantly against absolving him of blame. In my opinion, he has seriously underperformed as well so far.
 
He's absolutely spot on.

As for losing the dressing room, we should be losing the vast bulk of them anyway. I can't even count on one hand the players who deserve to play for the club.

I do feel for him because he's not going to be given the resources the previous guy was given considering how he pissed it all up on a wall on buying absolute tosh, while the club awarded them ridiculous contracts making them impossible to shift. A sad state of affairs all round.
 
My wife thinks that this comment will be the start of his downfall. She doesn't watch football but she makes the point many of us are thinking that if your boss said this about your office space, how would you react? Given the fragile mindset of many of these players, it's not looking good. Standby for the tools to be downed yet again.
 
Shouldn't Amorim be dipping into the reserves to look for more options at some point if he doesn't like what he sees? By all means get him one or two players in Jan but the whole squad feels short and we're trying to shift some of the old ones out too.
 
TheGame said:
If he truly believes we are the worst United team in history than yes. If it’s some strategy to get players performing we will see.
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Did you watch and hear the context of the question and answer? And do you really believe a coach with his background and experience is ‘a fecking moron’?
 
It’s a huge issue, we don’t have anyone so quick up front that defenders really fear them. No pace and physicality in midfield and a slow defence. We are of if not the slowest and least athletic squads in the league. Most of these players should be playing in Serie A.

If we were exceptional in ball retention and technically superior we could get away with it more. On paper our players are not as bad as this but in this league at this time they are just getting outrun and out muscled.
 
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