Amorim: «We are maybe the worst team in Man United history»

Paul778 said:
It's not like we were free flowing in attack and rock solid in defence before him.

We were terrible for 18 months before ETH was sacked with teams running through us.

We all went into the season wondering where on earth the goals were going to come from.

Even if ETH had stayed we would be around this position. Do you think he really was going to get results in those 8 killer games in December?

It was INEOS who told Reuben it was now or never. They need to sort something out these last two weeks of the window. Give him at least two players he can work with.
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I'm not suggesting he's not helping by being incompetent - he clearly is a very competent manager, I was suggesting that maybe this comment doesn't' help a clearly fragile group of players.
 
For those having an issue with him stating the obvious, we have wanted a clear out for years so this will maybe help expedite things. How many of our players would get a game for the opposition today? Not many, and this is Brighton we are taking about. We are going to finish lower half.
 
I'm just saying that a few years ago, if any of our pre-Rangnick managers said this, you'd all demand his firing. I don't think this is every wise or badass thing to say as some of you think.
 
hellhunter said:
And there's no manager that could make this squad beat Brighton?
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We could beat Brighton and then lose to the next team. One off games mean feck all. On our day there isn't a team out there that we couldn't beat. But there's no manager that can consistently get a tune out of these game raising bellends
 
Offside said:
Who should he be picking? He inherited all of those players. They’re all crap bought by Ten Hag, Ole and Mouriniho. Layered levels of flops.
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Well if i was him, would search outside first team, if still nothing, search outside, loan or free agent, out of principle would get something cheap, hungry with lower quality thats actually familiar with position/role i need for my formation/vision of football. Would that be better, dunno, maybe not but at least we would be looking shit being performed by low quality player on low wages and say, yes...that actually make sense.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
For those having an issue with him stating the obvious, we have wanted a clear out for years so this will maybe help expedite things. How many of our players would get a game for the opposition today? Not many, and this is Brighton we are taking about. We are going to finish lower half.
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Got to laugh at the people banging on about a clear out like we have a fecking magic money tree. We are fecked financially unless we sell. We won’t get near enough to replace players we sell with quality ones so it will be a slow process and he will have to work with some of these players for a while so by saying what he does in public, it’s fecking thick.
 
It is the weakest squad we've had since I started watching us in the late 80's.
 
JJ12 said:
Love to know how you've come to this make believe conclusion.
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I mean it's a subjective assessment based on how I saw his team performing, hence me using the words "I think". Largely based on the things I mentioned about the West Ham game that were also true of other games earlier in the season. We were creating good chances, but not finishing well enough. I have to believe that as the sample size increases there'd be a reversion to the mean in terms of finishing. Which isn't an argument that we were good under Ten Hag - the defensive frailties and chaos ball style clearly left us exposed with alarming frequency. But over the course of a season I think we would have finished top 8.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
For those having an issue with him stating the obvious, we have wanted a clear out for years so this will maybe help expedite things. How many of our players would get a game for the opposition today? Not many, and this is Brighton we are taking about. We are going to finish lower half.
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We will be lucky to get 40 points.

We are lucky the bottom 4 are will struggle to get around 30 points.
 
We need to shift some deadwood this week (expect movement on Antony, Rashford etc…) players he doesn’t want in the squad.
Ineos need to back him with a wing back and number 10
 
Church o Choccy said:
I would encourage all United fans to go back and re-watch the game at West Ham at the end of October. We lost, it was Ten Hag's last match in charge. We weren't great but it was actually a very decent performance and we were unlucky to lose. Our chance creation was really good, our finishing was poor, and we controlled large sections of the game both in and out of possession.

It wasn't good enough and Ten Hag hadn't been getting results for more than a year so he was sacked fair enough. But we weren't "the worst team in the history of Manchester United" when he left. We're there now because of how much worse we've got since then.

There are good arguments for the fact that this is just the pain we have to go through to become an Amorim team and for people who think like that, I think they have a totally reasonable case. I also really hope they're right. But on the basis that all I'm seeing is a team regressing fast (aside from a few decent, but often quite desperate performances against the big boys) I can't really think that's the case.

If Ten Hag had stayed I think his United team finishes 6th-8th and maybe wins the Europa League. Clearly not good enough for where United want to be. But 3 months later his successor has us looking over our shoulder at the relegation spots and using "worst in history" language. Fair enough, but we weren't the worst in history when you arrived, Ruben. You've made us that.
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Pull another one will you, you are actually having a laugh if you think Ten Haag was the answer in the questions that nobody asked, Amorim has done nothing what no other coach would get out of this team, one performance result from ETH (even though we lost mind you) doesn't mean we were on the up, it was more of the same old tired crap, how you are giving anyone a pass here is ridiculous
 
We need two quick players who can play wing back before the end of the window or we are fecked.
 
TheGame said:
Got to laugh at the people banging on about a clear out like we have a fecking magic money tree. We are fecked financially unless we sell. We won’t get near enough to replace players we sell with quality ones so it will be a slow process and he will have to work with some of these players for a while so by saying what he does in public, it’s fecking thick.
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With our shit culture and rot running wild, getting quality as prio wont do shit like it didnt so far.
 
Dannn411 said:
We need two quick players who can play wing back before the end of the window or we are fecked.
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The question is do we want defenders as the wingbacks? At sporting he played with attackers at wingbacks which gives you a lot more going forward. We’re currently playing 5 defenders at OT.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
We were in fecking 13th when Ten Hag was sacked and he played a huge part in assembling this absolute train-wreck of a squad.

I'm so sick of people just pretending that things were actually alright under Ten Hag and we only just recently got this bad. Our points per game this season under Ten Hag was 1.2 and under Amorim it's been 1.15. Both are atrocious but the key difference is that Ten Hag pissed away the GDP of a small country to get us to that point whereas Amorim has yet to bring in anyone.
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I'm not sure if you're accusing me of "pretending things were alright" under Ten Hag. They weren't, they were bad. They just weren't this bad. We were losing games by missing a series of chances and having no midfield control. Now we lose games to worse teams being similarly vulnerable at the back but without offering much threat in possession.

The difference is Ten Hag had 2 years to get us to "a bit shit" whereas Amorim has only had three mid-season months to progress that to "a bit worse than a bit shit" which is why many fans want to give him the benefit of the doubt and the time to operate, which is fair enough. I really, really hope they're right. I don't think we'll sack him before the end of the season because it'll be a PSR nightmare but all things being equal, I'd probably be leaning towards looking at replacements soon enough.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Don't we always struggle against Brighton.
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Honestly even considering the opposition, we were shockingly poor - any team in the league could've beaten us today. If we played with the same intensity we did today against Liverpool away, we would've indeed gotten pasted 4+ nil as many predicted before that game.
 
TheGame said:
Got to laugh at the people banging on about a clear out like we have a fecking magic money tree. We are fecked financially unless we sell. We won’t get near enough to replace players we sell with quality ones so it will be a slow process and he will have to work with some of these players for a while so by saying what he does in public, it’s fecking thick.
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It's hilarious. Nobody seems to understand that we have ZERO pounds to buy players and will get naff all for sales as our players are shit.
 
TheGame said:
Yep agree, it’s fecking stupid. Just makes things 100% worse. If he doesn’t think he can do the job, he should just leave.
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In my opinion the jury is still out on him. But of course, United fans being United fans they have to go full cult of personality and declare their unwavering support for him. It's been 11 games, it's too short a time to say he deserves the future or even a sacking. We're still a long way to go until the end of the season, but comments like this are not pointing towards a good sign.
 
RedCoffee said:
It's hilarious. Nobody seems to understand that we have ZERO pounds to buy players and will get naff all for sales as our players are shit.
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This, plus one billion in depts and a owner who wants to put his name on to a new stadium before he dies. Add no Europe play money and a bunch unsellable players on long contracts. Can't see us buying anything anytime soon.
 
Whatever about the truth of it or not, I think it's smart messaging from the manager. In much the same way that it's smart messaging for a new government to "suddenly discover" the previous government had left things in an even worse condition than people previously thought.

You make clear how bleak things are and how long the road to recovery is from day 1, and frontload as many problems as you can into those early months. Becuase this the point you're least likely to be sacked, other people are most likely to get the blame and you're best able to lower expectations.
 
Dannn411 said:
We need two quick players who can play wing back before the end of the window or we are fecked.
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100% but not just quick top class players, almost like peps first window where he went all out on full backs
 
He must clearly feel comfortable making statements like this. The fact that nearly all of our players are up for sale for the right price suggests Ineos know there are too many players at this club that shouldn't be.

Is it wise? I don't know. It hardly inspires confidence in the current crop of players. But I feel this is his way of saying this is a very long term project and we can't expect too much this season. He clearly feels that's unacceptable but it's the way it is. The only part of the interview that puts him in a bad light is that he says he will never change his system. He shouldn't have to change his ideas but he needs to show adaptability to suit the players he has and the opposition he is against. If United became a force in the next 3-5 years other teams will adapt and improve to beat his tactics. He needs to ensure this isn't a long term thought process but other than that it's just the truth and it's shit.
 
RedCoffee said:
It's hilarious. Nobody seems to understand that we have ZERO pounds to buy players and will get naff all for sales as our players are shit.
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This team are going the way of Leeds. I’m amazed that people still live in denial of this being a possibility. We’re skint, have overpriced garbage on mega wages, can only sell “homegrown” players to try and offset the money. We’re knackered and I don’t see a way out anytime soon. Last 3 seasons under Ten Hag has set us back years and I’m amazed people think Ratcliffe was gonna sort this out.
 
He’s not right to say it insofar as I don’t think the comment is true. We’ve had truly gash teams for over a decade so this one is no worse than many, many other Utd sides over the period. We need warriors in the team, Ugarte was supposed to be that, but by compared to, say, a fit Phil Jones, he’s Larry Grayson in a red shirt. Amorim might need time, but we need a manager who can deal with a crisis and I doubt that he has the minerals for that.
 
It's not exactly gonna endear him to the squad is it? Now you can argue that they are shit and they deserve it, but right now they're the only squad we have and given how skint we are, that isn't gonna change any time soon.
 
Come on, this is nowhere near the weakest squad in our history. We got relegated with the likes of Arnie Sidebottom and Steve James as centre back options ! Any eleven from our current squad would trounce that team. It’s just a cheap, throw away comment.
 
Precaution said:
Pull another one will you, you are actually having a laugh if you think Ten Haag was the answer in the questions that nobody asked, Amorim has done nothing what no other coach would get out of this team, one performance result from ETH (even though we lost mind you) doesn't mean we were on the up, it was more of the same old tired crap, how you are giving anyone a pass here is ridiculous
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Ten Hag had a below par squad performing badly and was sacked for it.

Amorim has them performing worse. Some people want to give him time, which is fair enough. I'm not one of them.

That's literally all I'm saying.
 
Rex Banner said:
It's not exactly gonna endear him to the squad is it? Now you can argue that they are shit and they deserve it, but right now they're the only squad we have and given how skint we are, that isn't gonna change any time soon.
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Exactly, people seem to forget that. If I was a player reading what he said, I would think feck that and try to get out of this toxic atmosphere.
 
We're absolutely diabolical. I genuinely dont think there's a way back, as hard as it is to think that. If you look at spurs and say how can a club in 2025 exhibit the same Spursiness they did on 2000 despite there being no link at all between the personnel involved, its a cultural thing now. We have become a losing club, with losing mentality, financially struggling, chaos. It's a mess that's hard to fathom. On a pitch level, yeah, we're losers too. Gave it billy big balls after 2 away draws and got absolutely battered in spells by SOUTHAMPTON. On course to be the worst PL team ever, they had their easiest league game in months against us, only to collapse late on.

You even look at a guy like Mainoo, stalling on a deal at 19 while playing (really badly) for his boyhood club - playing a role in this horror show. At 19, I would be begging for any new deal on my current terms. We're individuals, not a team. The team is completely distinct from the club. The club is completely distinct from the fans. My only expectation for a talented coach like amorim is that he will be chewed up by the meat grinder that is this club now. Same as those before him.
 
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