Amorim: «We are maybe the worst team in Man United history»

gaffs said:
Again, hard to say why Amorim is choosing to pick Maz and Dalot at WBs given the lack of attacking threat, but i can only assume he has seen things to beleive that Garnaco is a worse option than Dalot/Maz.

Plus, you put Garna, or Amad, as a wing back, and what do we have off the bench to change a game or to play further upfield? Antony is gone, Rashford is Awol. We have 4 forwards left in Amad, Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho.

Then we have 3 midfielders he trusts in Mainoo, Bruno and Ugarte. Casemiro and Eriksen he can't trust to start games. Thankfully we have Collyer breaking through for the numbers.

We are deepest in defence, to maybe this is part of the thinking too?



Agree, there was no press. But is that part of the instruction, not to press? Surely not. Amorims Sporting team was famous for pressing high and from the front.

You are right about De Ligt pushing forward. Amorim seems to actually be telling either he, or it could be Ugarte to cover the free man in midfield. De Ligt looks across to Amorim before moving towards the free man. Though the player that played the pass didn't see De Ligt push. More likely he saw Matoma starting to make his run on Maz and Maz being squared up.

I mean, this whole picture is a mess really. The man on the ball has 4 open passing options - one out of shot at CB.

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I don't know if this is "system" or individual mistakes. Amorim can't be telling Mainoo to be marking no one. Yoro is pushing up higher than Dalot.

Yes, its a high(ish) line, but the other option is what? Be 15 yards deeper and have the huge gap between defence and forwards, like we did under ETH?

Ball over the top like this is a bad one to concede.




Agree, there was confusion in defence. Yoro out of position, Maguire stepping upto the ball when he should have stayed on his man. Dalot coming inside to cover Maguires man.

But if you look at Maz, he had no idea Matoma was behind him. He checks inside two or three times when tracking back, but never over his left shoulder. I was a good cross though, but to not know you have a man behind you is criminal. Especially given he skinned you after 4 mins.



I think Collyer is a good shout and given Mainoo has been abject of late, perhaps Bruno is too. But are we just hoping that putting Bruno there will make us more solid? If Mainoo continues to be as poor as he has been post injury, losing Bruno further upfield isnt great either.

And does a Mainoo and Garnaco switch to a 10 and WB respectively really help some of the madness we have seen at the back? Or the lack of press? Or the fact our forwards cant hold the ball up for sh1t. Im not sure.

Maybe Rangers is the chance to see.



All good points. Case/Eriksen v Newcastle was a shocker. He had been dealt bad cards with Ugarte and Bruno being out. Again though, those goals were preventable - Martinez being left to win duels v much bigger players.

It makes me think that is this just a system that you need well coached, technical players to play in it? I don't believe the system cant work as Amorim beat Arsenal and City with it. His two title winning Sporting teams would be top 4 in the PL, easily imo.

My working theory is that these players were poorly coached under ETH. Ten Hag never got them playing an identifiable style of football. I think he let them play ad hoc and hoped Bruno, Rashford etc would dig us out with some magic. Moments FC.

Amorim comes in and is really trying to coach them through games and some of the positions that players are taking up are unfamiliar - Yoro pushing into midfield for example. Is it just that these players are just not used to playing under any strict instruction so that when Amorim comes in, it is just to much information to compute. A bit like when you go on holiday, you come back to work and your brain doesn't work for a week.

It does feel that Amorim is trying to fly the plane while changing the engine with these lot. I don't think the thought it would be such a struggle with them.
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Wow, that picture is a shocker. You could make an argument that a defender with decent passing skills could get the ball to nine out of the ten outfield players. That should not be happening.
 
Something else considering is the pressure we put on the players themselves with ludicrous transfer fees and the club generally being a circus.

Antony could (maybe even should) have been a good player for us. The problem is that as soon as he's announced as a 100million player, everyone expects him to start putting together Salah/Haaland numbers. When he has a few bad games, the pressure builds on him very quickly. He actually had a decent first season and scored some good goals, it was never enough though.

Same thing could be said for Hojlund. He wasn't allowed to be eased in.

You could also look at Maguire, Sancho, Wan Bissaka and countless others. Even Lukaku and Pogba (granted, there may have been other issues there.)

The constant media focus doesn't help either. Look at Rashford. If Amorim brings him back, the pressure on both the player and the manager for him to have an insane run of form will be immense. The original decision to drop him may have been the correct one but gives no room for error if he's brought back in.

Garnacho and Mainoo were generally seen as the "future" last season. Now there's debate about whether they should be sold. Very few players can perform well in this environment.
 
Here's another thing about the 'change the system to get results' argument. This has been tried before and has got us to where we were before Amorim took over. Ragnick tried a system them abandoned it. Ten Hag tried his Ajax system and abandoned it. When do we do what every other decently run club has done and choose our system then build the squad accordingly?

I suspect that's what they are doing this time, and it's going to take 2 years of squad changes. Also, it's not just system players it's mentality as well... I.e. getting the sorts of players who won't fold like a house of cards just because the manager says something in a press conference? Do we really want players who are that fragile playing for this club?
 
I can’t lie the comment baffled me slightly. Nobody is telling me that the squad we have, which is full of international players who have thrived at other clubs and for their countries, isn’t better than 13th in the league.

We’re not the best. Undoubtedly.. but we’re better than 13th. It’s a shambles this. How much is the squad worth?
 
On the system/errors debate: Clearly, it is not the intention to have a high line and a compact shape without pressure on the ball carrier. Seeing as that is obviously suicidal. Also, it seems obvious to me that CBs pushing up out of the line to challenge attackers is very much intentional - we've seen that a lot over the past few games. Hence, this is an execution issue.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I can’t lie the comment baffled me slightly. Nobody is telling me that the squad we have, which is full of international players who have thrived at other clubs and for their countries, isn’t better than 13th in the league.

We’re not the best. Undoubtedly.. but we’re better than 13th. It’s a shambles this. How much is the squad worth?
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It's a mute point, really. A considerable chunk of each PL squad consists of international players (players who have earned caps for their NT on way or the other). Leicester must have around 15, it hasn't helped their cause in the slightest.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I can’t lie the comment baffled me slightly. Nobody is telling me that the squad we have, which is full of international players who have thrived at other clubs and for their countries, isn’t better than 13th in the league.

We’re not the best. Undoubtedly.. but we’re better than 13th. It’s a shambles this. How much is the squad worth?
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But he didn't say he may have the worst squad ever. He said we may be the worst team ever. Not the same thing. The latter is about how you perform.
 
justsomebloke said:
But he didn't say he may have the worst squad ever. He said we may be the worst team ever. Not the same thing. The latter is about how you perform.
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That’s a valid point. I still can’t help but think we should be doing better than what we are. I’m stumped with this club, it has to be a mental thing at this point, it’s been going on for far too long. Various managers, players. Nobody can seem to crack the code.

Doesn’t seem to be getting any easier either.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I can’t lie the comment baffled me slightly. Nobody is telling me that the squad we have, which is full of international players who have thrived at other clubs and for their countries, isn’t better than 13th in the league.

We’re not the best. Undoubtedly.. but we’re better than 13th. It’s a shambles this. How much is the squad worth?
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International caps don’t mean much I feel these days. I’d say most non English players in the PL are likely to have been or are currently full internationals for their countries.

Secondly in terms of players thriving at other clubs. If you look at the clubs they’ve thrived at and the league they’ve thrived in you quickly find your answer.
It’s funny but for years whilst it was fair to point out the PL tax for signing player being a deterrent, I now feel we’ve gone too far the other way and aren’t signing enough players from the PL or even the championship.

Dunno about what you felt but I can hand on heart say the only signing (since 2022) that had excited me or I was convinced would be instantly successful here was Casemiro. And although it’s gone pear shaped. His first six months here were light years above what any other signing has produced in the same period.

Look at our other signings in that time, all came from far lesser leagues. I think people get excited with any summer window. If you sign a few players people get giddy (see people rating the summer window just gonr as a 7/8).
But look at our last three summer windows and the overwhelming majority of signings have not come from top clubs or top leagues. And the ones who did come from top leagues (Hojlund/Zirkzee/Mazraoi etc) were not actually that successful for any substantial period at their old clubs. Casemiro and Eriksen were the two most established on paper when we signed them and I’d strongly argue what the pair produced between August 22 and March 23 is the best of every signing since that summer of 22. Unfortunately age has caught up to them.

So when you say thrive at other clubs. Martinez, De Ligt, Ugarte, Antony in particular thrived but thrived at top clubs in tin pot leagues.

You simply cannot bring in a load of players with this history into the prem and be successful.

Of course you are still right, we absolutely should not be 13th even with this squad but throw in a poor manager (ETH) poor club culture, and bad egos in the dressing room and it all adds to the horrificness and that’s when you find yourself 13th.
 
RoadtoMoscow2008 said:
Because, he is the guy that needs to go in front of the group to lift them up from a very low point is telling them i think you are the worst of them all now perform.

It does not work that way in any management, maybe if you are close to the top and tease the group a bit to get a performance maybe. But not when the team has been underperforming with previous manager, not able to get to grips with new system, their morale is shattered. #]

Once again very naïve and poor management from Amorim. By far we had a worst team when Cleverly and Gibson were in the middle of the pitch, but the man on the touch line knew how to motivate his team.
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But we are shit. He did not say he is giving up but that it must be hard for the fans and also that we are doing poorly. He is living in the real world, thank god
 
Ultimately to win football games, you need to be able to score goals. Our attacking players barring Amad are pretty shit.

This summer we need to raise the attacking output and athletic floor/ceiling of the team. We won't get relegated so the seasons already written off for me, get rid of the older players and higher earners and go for a route where we invest in young players, who suit a system the manager is playing and have enough traits about them (athleticism, a good first touch!, good IQ) that even if it doesn't work with Amorim next year a new manager has enough to work with.
 
alexthelion said:
Look elsewhere? Jim doesn't look like he wants to spend any monmey this window and, frankly, our youth players aren't good enough to be promoted. What's he supposed to do?
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Well like i said, lower quality on way lower wages, loans, free agents, not buying shit, youth players arent good enough for proper squad, not w/e we are having, traffic cons are good enough for this United team.
 
I like his honestly and quite frankly he’s put it out very politely.

The team is a mess, five managers before him, all trying to put their own philosophy on the team, buying players they think will suit it, and then getting sacked. The next manager comes in and changes everything up again while the previously bought players don’t fit the system.

It’s gone on for too long and it hasn’t worked. We’ve had world class managers, it didn’t get us anywhere.

I’m willing to stick by Amorim, and I’m happy to keep the 343 since I don’t see the point in changing it temporarily only to revert back to it down the line. We might as well just get the new system understood and out of the way so we can focus more on finer details.
 
Some clueless fan on talksport there saying he's desperate and will be sacked by end of season :confused:

Absolutely no chance id say hes getting sacked. The club demanded he comes in half way through a season when he wanted to wait until the summer. He has his hands tied until the summer, cant bring anyone in, it looks like he has to get rid of some of the best academy talent to give him any funds for the summer. The club cant complain when theyve essentially put him in this spot. Theyve sent the lad into a knife fight with a plastic spoon.

And as for should he change his system to suit these players.. nah, id rather he stuck to his guns. Keep at it and give them a message, 'this is what we are playing, if you cant play it, or are not on board. theres the door'.. Im seeing loads saying go back to 4231 for the meantime (as if that suited them better).. we were rubbish in that formation as well under ten hag. gaps all over the pitch, countless shots on goal. And if thats not Amorims style, why would we suddenly be decent again if we changed? It seems to me we have a group of players who either dont have the ability or simply have no intent, carry out instructions. Too many billy big balls in this team think they are way better than they are.
 
LARulz said:
To be honest to me it sounded more about results than actively saying the players are shit. I know it's implied but still

Equally, if the players are offended then show them the table
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Yes , he did say 2 wins in 10 as well and said it was the worst team in history. He probably should have said it was the worst results in history in hindsight
 
GaryLifo said:
Here's another thing about the 'change the system to get results' argument. This has been tried before and has got us to where we were before Amorim took over. Ragnick tried a system them abandoned it. Ten Hag tried his Ajax system and abandoned it. When do we do what every other decently run club has done and choose our system then build the squad accordingly?
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A football system doesn't have much merit or value on its own. It is simply a tool used to obtain results (win matches). Hence the suggestion that a system that cannot get results should be discarded; one must not lose sight of the real goal here. A separate question is whether a system might work better in the medium/long term than in the short term and viceversa, and whether it's worth the short-term hit, which is a real concern.

What's more important IMO is not the system, but the principles. The manager should have some basic ideas or principles about football. For example, Guardiola is less known for a system and more for the principle of possession: the more you have the ball, the more chances you can create, the better you can defend. Mourinho is the opposite: his principle is that the less of the ball you have, the less likely you are to make mistakes, and mistakes cost you games. They use these systems, along with their squad qualities, qualities of the league, and club objectives, to devise a system that can achieve those objectives.

Amorim shouldn't drop his principles to play hoofball. But he should separate principles and system. 'Three center backs' is not a principle, 'wingbacks' is not a principle, etc.
 
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gaffs said:
Again, hard to say why Amorim is choosing to pick Maz and Dalot at WBs given the lack of attacking threat, but i can only assume he has seen things to beleive that Garnaco is a worse option than Dalot/Maz.

Plus, you put Garna, or Amad, as a wing back, and what do we have off the bench to change a game or to play further upfield? Antony is gone, Rashford is Awol. We have 4 forwards left in Amad, Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnacho.

Then we have 3 midfielders he trusts in Mainoo, Bruno and Ugarte. Casemiro and Eriksen he can't trust to start games. Thankfully we have Collyer breaking through for the numbers.

We are deepest in defence, to maybe this is part of the thinking too?



Agree, there was no press. But is that part of the instruction, not to press? Surely not. Amorims Sporting team was famous for pressing high and from the front.

You are right about De Ligt pushing forward. Amorim seems to actually be telling either he, or it could be Ugarte to cover the free man in midfield. De Ligt looks across to Amorim before moving towards the free man. Though the player that played the pass didn't see De Ligt push. More likely he saw Matoma starting to make his run on Maz and Maz being squared up.

I mean, this whole picture is a mess really. The man on the ball has 4 open passing options - one out of shot at CB.

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I don't know if this is "system" or individual mistakes. Amorim can't be telling Mainoo to be marking no one. Yoro is pushing up higher than Dalot.

Yes, its a high(ish) line, but the other option is what? Be 15 yards deeper and have the huge gap between defence and forwards, like we did under ETH?

Ball over the top like this is a bad one to concede.




Agree, there was confusion in defence. Yoro out of position, Maguire stepping upto the ball when he should have stayed on his man. Dalot coming inside to cover Maguires man.

But if you look at Maz, he had no idea Matoma was behind him. He checks inside two or three times when tracking back, but never over his left shoulder. I was a good cross though, but to not know you have a man behind you is criminal. Especially given he skinned you after 4 mins.



I think Collyer is a good shout and given Mainoo has been abject of late, perhaps Bruno is too. But are we just hoping that putting Bruno there will make us more solid? If Mainoo continues to be as poor as he has been post injury, losing Bruno further upfield isnt great either.

And does a Mainoo and Garnaco switch to a 10 and WB respectively really help some of the madness we have seen at the back? Or the lack of press? Or the fact our forwards cant hold the ball up for sh1t. Im not sure.

Maybe Rangers is the chance to see.



All good points. Case/Eriksen v Newcastle was a shocker. He had been dealt bad cards with Ugarte and Bruno being out. Again though, those goals were preventable - Martinez being left to win duels v much bigger players.

It makes me think that is this just a system that you need well coached, technical players to play in it? I don't believe the system cant work as Amorim beat Arsenal and City with it. His two title winning Sporting teams would be top 4 in the PL, easily imo.

My working theory is that these players were poorly coached under ETH. Ten Hag never got them playing an identifiable style of football. I think he let them play ad hoc and hoped Bruno, Rashford etc would dig us out with some magic. Moments FC.

Amorim comes in and is really trying to coach them through games and some of the positions that players are taking up are unfamiliar - Yoro pushing into midfield for example. Is it just that these players are just not used to playing under any strict instruction so that when Amorim comes in, it is just to much information to compute. A bit like when you go on holiday, you come back to work and your brain doesn't work for a week.

It does feel that Amorim is trying to fly the plane while changing the engine with these lot. I don't think the thought it would be such a struggle with them.
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Yeah he is limited with attacking options - I just think it's getting to a point where he needs to roll the dice a bit. As said, I completely agree he clearly has reasons for Maz/Dalot as WBs and our CBs are also clearly struggling with the system but if it's a case of zero goal threat and a flaky defence or some goal threat and still a flaky defence, I would prefer the latter. I also think there's a wider issue with teams having zero fear of us now, that means a lot, they work harder and believe more that they can get a good result because we just cannot score or kill a game. We need something extra in attack.

I think Zirkzee was meant to press - but that's not really his game, the guy isn't particularly dynamic and is a unit. I think Amorim's hands were somewhat tied as he had to drop Hojlund and give Zirkzee a chance but that ball is so amateur to concede from.

That freeze frame is interesting - it shows the limitations of how we play because of the formation in my opinion. You get a shuffling of the line as Brighton go one way, then it comes back and there's literally zero press. Mainoo and Ugarte has to cover so much ground in this setup. The CB coming out is a key problem for me, Yoro is doing it when the ball is on his side and then De Ligt is beginning to push onto Welbeck as the ball comes across. This is because Welbeck and Jaoa Pedro drop in and their wide men go high. It's like Amorim doesn't want an aggressive press but he also wants us to play quite a high line, I think that's foolish with the CBs he has at his disposal.

Agreed re Maz, watching it back he's in a great position but just gets outworked by Mitoma. I do love Mitoma as a player, he's such a talent but I feel like Maz should have dealt with that rewatching it.

I'm unsure re Sporting's level - I feel like people got carried away because they battered City, but City have been awful recently and they hammered Sporting in that first half before coming undone. It's impressive he brought Sporing back into the elite but it's not like he was overcoming a Bayern, Real/Barca level dominance if we're honest. I think he could be rgeat, I am just very wary of Liga NOS as a barometer. It's the same with Gykores, people think he's suddenly amazing but the reality is he did well with Coventry and now suddenly is smashing in goals for fun - think of Nunez, he scored goals at a similar rate to Gykores and, though he's not a bad player by any means, he's been dropped by Pool and it looks like they will sell him. I feel like a league where big, fast, physical players get a lot more joy than the PL.

Not sure on coaching, I would think every manager we have had has had elite coaches, whether it is them themselves or their team, it's just they want different things. I do think there is a steep curve for the players here with Amorim though, the roles of the wider CBs, the WBs, the 10s is all new, but the ease at which teams create openings against us is what worries me. It's not like we're super solid and struggle to create, we're almost worse defensively now and worse offensively as well. I get the guy has set principles but he can keep his formation whilst adapting a bit - even look at Brighton, they technically play a back 4 I think but it ends up being a back 5 when Baleba drops in, can Martinez not play in the middle as a stop gap. Or how Chelsea played under Tuchel were you are uber patient and arguably very boring but teams create so little against you as you recycle the ball so often. I don't know, Amorim doesn't have an enviable job right now but he needs to think of something.
 
D. Grayson said:
His achievements in a rather average league do not instill confidence in his ability to excel in a more competitive league. Until he demonstrates otherwise, I believe he is out of his depth.
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In the context of having had, at most, 9 training sessions with the players since he joined, I'm not sure what people are expecting to happen short term given his job is not Sam Allerdyce trying to put out a fire, but rather attempting to build something completely new.

He's being judged on a per game basis, for good and bad results. My argument is that we have to be prepared to completely ignore results until the end of the season, no matter what. That won't be a popular opinion but it is, in my view, the only way this can eventually work.
 
alexthelion said:
The system wasn't working before Amorim. It's a lack of professionalism from the players, they just will not put in the effort game after game. They've shown they can do it (City, iverpool, Arsenal) so why don't they against other teams?
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But the important point is it has gone from bad to far far worse with relegation form under Amorim who will not change his 'philosophy'. I was glad to never hear that word again when it was attached to Van Gaal's reign. The alarm bells started ringing when Amorim started using that term. It implies inflexibility. And his word confirm this. And I don't care what anyone says you can't be inflexible in life let alone football.
 
julianfr said:
My take is that this was meant for the players more than anyone else. Perhaps some bad eggs aren't up to playing in the current formation and hope they can force his hand.
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Well the art of a good manager is getting the people who work for you to follow your lead. The art of a bad manager is to fail to get the people who work for you to buy into what you are doing and to fail to adapt your philosophy to meet any shortcomings in your staff.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Something else considering is the pressure we put on the players themselves with ludicrous transfer fees and the club generally being a circus.

Antony could (maybe even should) have been a good player for us. The problem is that as soon as he's announced as a 100million player, everyone expects him to start putting together Salah/Haaland numbers. When he has a few bad games, the pressure builds on him very quickly. He actually had a decent first season and scored some good goals, it was never enough though.

Same thing could be said for Hojlund. He wasn't allowed to be eased in.

You could also look at Maguire, Sancho, Wan Bissaka and countless others. Even Lukaku and Pogba (granted, there may have been other issues there.)

The constant media focus doesn't help either. Look at Rashford. If Amorim brings him back, the pressure on both the player and the manager for him to have an insane run of form will be immense. The original decision to drop him may have been the correct one but gives no room for error if he's brought back in.

Garnacho and Mainoo were generally seen as the "future" last season. Now there's debate about whether they should be sold. Very few players can perform well in this environment.
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Good post.
 
Buster15 said:
Good post.
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Less media focus wouldn't have made Antony faster and more physical. Neither would it have made Hojlund technically more sound. Maguire a spring chicken or improved Lukaku's first touch. Antony would have been shit even if he was bought for 20m and Maguire would have faced the same issues in a highline if he was bought for 40m.

The issues is that our expectations are sky high but we don't recruit the right quality of players to match it. Our scouting and recruitment is shit, which is then exacerbated by our poor negotiation skills and desperation in the transfer market.
 
Football is a pretty simple game. 11 v 11.
Our squad may not be good enough to challenge.
But equally it is not bad enough to be relegated.

The art of a good manager/coach is to keep it simple and get results by winning football matches.

You rarely have the luxury of of continually saying that you are not going to change while at the same time not doing what you are payed for - getting results.
You have to find solutions to a problem.
And at the moment, we have a big problem.
 
dubplate warrior said:
Ultimately to win football games, you need to be able to score goals. Our attacking players barring Amad are pretty shit.

This summer we need to raise the attacking output and athletic floor/ceiling of the team. We won't get relegated so the seasons already written off for me, get rid of the older players and higher earners and go for a route where we invest in young players, who suit a system the manager is playing and have enough traits about them (athleticism, a good first touch!, good IQ) that even if it doesn't work with Amorim next year a new manager has enough to work with.
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Yet managed to perform well under other managers and are in no way past their prime. We could easily sell Rasmus, Josh and co, so obviously they're not shit, just underperforming.
 
Red_toad said:
Yet managed to perform well under other managers and are in no way past their prime. We could easily sell Rasmus, Josh and co, so obviously they're not shit, just underperforming.
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I'm willing to give Zirkzee time.

I get that Hojlund is young but he's shown nowhere near enough to suggest he's going to be a top player.

Our attacking stats under Ten Hag this season were amongst the worst in the league by the way.
 
The man said he's had 7 training sessions with the team (that wasn't recovery sessions).

How about we let the squad understand how the system functions and how their roles operate first, mmkay?
 
GaryLifo said:
In the context of having had, at most, 9 training sessions with the players since he joined, I'm not sure what people are expecting to happen short term given his job is not Sam Allerdyce trying to put out a fire, but rather attempting to build something completely new.

He's being judged on a per game basis, for good and bad results. My argument is that we have to be prepared to completely ignore results until the end of the season, no matter what. That won't be a popular opinion but it is, in my view, the only way this can eventually work.
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My argument is that I have no reason to believe he will improve. His poor start at United, combined with the fact that his only significant success came in a relatively average league, leads me to think that he may not be as good as people hope.
 
D. Grayson said:
My argument is that I have no reason to believe he will improve. His poor start at United, combined with the fact that his only significant success came in a relatively average league, leads me to think that he may not be as good as people hope.
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It's not exactly been long and wouldn't the same have been said about Fergie?
 
Pickle85 said:
It's not exactly been long and wouldn't the same have been said about Fergie?
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The relative challenges posed by the English and Scottish leagues in the 1980s were much, much closer than those posed by the Premier League and the Portuguese league in the 2020s.
 
D. Grayson said:
My argument is that I have no reason to believe he will improve. His poor start at United, combined with the fact that his only significant success came in a relatively average league, leads me to think that he may not be as good as people hope.
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So what's the alternative? Get another coach and play sitting deep with the odd counter attack again?

I'd rather burn everything to the ground and start up again, similar to Chelsea.
 
He is not lying. The table does not lie. And he probably is referring to United since the premier league was created.

The problem is that most players we have aren't good enough. Our worst players are obvious but even those considered our best (other than Amad and potentially Mainoo) are really not good enough. Non would get into the current Liverpool, Arsenal, City terms let alone Ferguson's United. We are grossly overrating most of our players.

Personally, I believe in Amorim because of his track record with Sporting. He has a clear style of play but the players we have cannot implement it because as i said, simply not good enough.

Ragnick was on point when he said we need something akin to an open heart surgery. Unfortunately, we bought more garbage.
 
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