Maybe, though the Scottish League as a whole was still a long, long way behind the prem. It still doesn't change the fact that exactly the same could have been leveled at Fergie when he joined. Point is that it's far too early to start writing Amorim off.
Am I missing something? What's VdB have to do with anything?
Comparing every manager with Fergie will lead us nowhere, we already did that starting with Moyes.
Agreed but it's making the wider point that just because a manager arrives from a weaker league and struggles initially doesn't mean they're guaranteed to fail. Fergie is the best example of this.
Fergie should never be given as an example or be included in any comparisons. He is the fairytale of any football manager. His story will never repeat itself in our lifetime.
I tend to agree it's much harder, if not utopic, to think that we will change a whole squad before we change the manager.
Nonsense - Fergie can absolutely be used as an example or a point of comparison and frequently is. It's just that you don't agree with this particular point of comparison. As I said, though, Fergie is just representative of the broader point that judging a manager this quickly and in such a knee-jerk fashion is risky and to think it's acceptable because he comes from a 'weaker' league is nonsensical. Slot came from the Dutch league and seems to be doing ok. Mourinho came from the Portuguese league and did great things. Fergie came from Scotland and built a new club. Also, re the bolded, who said that? It's a strawman. I never said that losing most of our games is an indication of potential success because that's stupid. I said that to judge the manager so quickly simply because he came from a weaker league is knee jerk and dumb.
It's a silly comparison, in all honesty. Comparing a player that the management didn't want and that hardly featured to a manager that management wanted very badly and that seems intent on backing him makes zero sense. Also, if you do want to make that comparison, imagine if we had've gotten rid of Evra and Vidic based on what were (from memory) very slow starts...
He better be very good in the transfer market because tactically he has shown very little so far. He just talks that we will become better down the line but I don't understand how we will become better? Does he need 9 new players or does he need a preseason to implement his ideas?
Rasmus was injured at the start if the season/ preseason and our joint top scorer last season. His conversion rate is very good, but we create nothing as a team. Our strikers will improve once the team improves.
We certainly do, another consequence of the lack of succession planning following SAF/ David Gill's departure.
They become defenders, forwards, or wide players.
Yup. We struggled for goals before he arrived and started to play Dalot and Mazraoui as fullbacks. He seems very stubborn and can only play one formation. 2 lucky wins in the PL so far.
When ineos came in, they said themselves that they will be looking at managers who fit the system THEY want to play, so we can assume Amorim sets that mould, which in theory means the players they sign moving forward will be players suited to that system. Not an individual managers style but an overarching system, so if Amorim doesn’t work out, the players they have will still fit that criteria. They’ve gone out and bought a load of players last summer that don’t fit the very thing they stated would be the case. Why? Because a manager said he wants them? We know that doesn’t work.. look at the last 12 years? My point is ineos have made exactly the same mistakes we have been making for years now. It doesn’t fill me with confidence I can’t lie. Our recruitment is so so poor it’s almost laughable, it’s not a ETH thing, this was happening way way way before him. One sure fire decent signing in 12 years. Bruno. It’s that.
I didn't understand the urgency in getting Ruben in straight away. Our "best in class" bods must have known that (a) he plays a system that he adheres to, and (b) the current players may not be able to operate in the confines of that system. Didn't Wilcox see this? Didn't Berrada have a clue? This reminds me a bit of when the Doc took over mid season in 1972. We dodged relegation that year but he was unable to put a winning team together until we were on our way down. Fergie arrived mid-season too and look how long it took him to put a side together that was capable of winning trophies. United has got form for this type of thing. I just hope Ruben has the skills to build the side he wants but for now, it seems like it's all damage control.We certainly do, another consequence of the lack of succession planning following SAF/ David Gill's departure.
In giving over the Football side to Sir Jim, the owners have more or less admitted their culpability (of previously recruiting players as much for their ability to sell shirts, as to fitting into a playing style)
We have therefore finished up with a 'Motely Crew'/squad of players and now Ruben wants to try to fit square pegs into his round holed system, which is not going to happen, at least for a couple of seasons.
It was rumored that Ruben didn't want to come until the end of the season, and we can all see why; he isn't going to change and the players, even the ones who want to accommodate his methods, will need at least a full preseason training (possibly not even going to get that it ) to have any chance.
It seems a bit like we will shortly be called into quoting the Dad's Army character Pte Frazer ..."we're all doomed... doomed a tell yer".
Where's 'Big Sam' when you need him
That shouldn't be his job. He should have a say, sure, but managers are not scouts. We've wasted billions learning that expensive lesson.
We certainly do, another consequence of the lack of succession planning following SAF/ David Gill's departure.
In giving over the Football side to Sir Jim, the owners have more or less admitted their culpability (of previously recruiting players as much for their ability to sell shirts, as to fitting into a playing style)
We have therefore finished up with a 'Motely Crew'/squad of players and now Ruben wants to try to fit square pegs into his round holed system, which is not going to happen, at least for a couple of seasons.
It was rumored that Ruben didn't want to come until the end of the season, and we can all see why; he isn't going to change and the players, even the ones who want to accommodate his methods, will need at least a full preseason training (possibly not even going to get that it ) to have any chance.
It seems a bit like we will shortly be called into quoting the Dad's Army character Pte Frazer ..."we're all doomed... doomed a tell yer".
Where's 'Big Sam' when you need him
Exactly. I'm a big believer that if you have good players, they can play in multiple positions, obviously, there will always be positions that outright don't suit players, but some of the mistakes our players make are the same as when they played in Ten Hag and Ole's reign. It's pretty obvious to me it's a player issue.
Feel like it's a rhetorical question. He needs his own players, and he needs to be able to have time to train his players yes.
We don't operate that way anymore. It's no longer "buy whoever the manager wants". That's a recipe for disaster.
it's a cooperative. who he wants and wilcox wants.
Well he has a unique system which requires inside forwards and wingbacks. So we will need players adept at those roles. THey knew his system and surely knew they would need to make specific purchases to have it work here.
Fecks sake, you're looking for a miracle worker not a coach, at the very least he needs the January and summer transfer windows to get some players that are suited to the style we want to play, we haven't had a proper left back all season never mind a LWB, he's inherited a left wide forward who doesn't want to make any serious effort, 2 aging midfielders who don't really have the legs to play the roles we need, he doesn't have a striker that can score goals, even SAF in his prime couldn't fix this in the timeframe you are suggesting Amorin should have
It’s not unwavering trust. It’s what’s obvious. If we didn’t make it with this team with 2 managers, then there are many more who will come and go.
Sporting turned over Man City 4-1 not so long ago playing this system.
Spurs mauled them 4-0 and I still don't want Ange
