[Annihilate Now!]

Only people that might have enjoyed his goal anywhere near as much as we did (well nowhere near really, but you know what I mean) was Sunderland fans apparently.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threa...-ko-fa-cup-quarter-final-itv1.1629968/page-42

They love him.

 

[flameinthesun]

He needs to keep his head down and keep working, if he's talented enough and has the right mentality EtH will give him chances.

 

[red woppit]

You are 100% correct. Though I would attribute his physical weakness due to lack of match-fitness,. He did struggle with the physicality at the championship initially. But eventually he was difficult to brush off, especially since he has such a magical first touch and the ball is glued to his feet.

He's one of the few players we have who can play with looking up. I always thought he would be perfect for an ETH style of football. A attacking conductor.

But after that interview and based on his player selection, god knows who fits the ETH style or what an ETH style of football is anymore.

I saw Amads first appearance for Sunderland, I believe it was against Middlesbrough, live on TV, he came on a sub, and he really didn't do anything special, and I think it was the same for his first few matches, but gradually, by getting regular minutes, he grew into one of Sunderland's best players, so I believe a similar scenario could be played out at United, that's if ETH gives him time on the pitch.

 

[Bwuk]

We have to get Amad, Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo starting regularly together now.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Having watched Salah score so many and take his shirt off every time... that was sweet revenge in the finest manner.

 

[Unam333]

I saw Amads first appearance for Sunderland, I believe it was against Middlesbrough, live on TV, he came on a sub, and he really didn't do anything special, and I think it was the same for his first few matches, but gradually, by getting regular minutes, he grew into one of Sunderland's best players, so I believe a similar scenario could be played out at United, that's if ETH gives him time on the pitch.

He will, but Amad needs to get his head down, be respectful, have a positive influence in the dressing room, work hard in training, bide his time and when the opportunity comes, at least work hard, track back, follow the instructions given to him.

Amad doesn't need to impress the coach by scoring a goal or giving an assist whenever he's on the pitch. He only has to show the manager that he is another player the manager can trust to carry out the instructions.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I have to disagree with Antony vs Diallo and frankly most of your post. Antony was played for a lot in first half of season before being dropped, despite being awful. He was then often the go to sub despite some woeful performances, the Wolves away cameo probably the worst sub appearance in a long time for United. Sure Antony scored yesterday and we can all be happy for that, but he has shown nothing to merit so much game time. Anyone who watched a bit of Diallo in youth teams and then at Sunderland could see something a bit special. He's not that strong but coped with championship football, I have felt the lack of game time in last months was really poor.

For someone who has followed Amad so closely, it appears you’ve completely missed that he was fecking injured until almost January man.

Since Amad’s return to full fitness, Antony has managed the following minutes in the league:

* Forest - replaced after 54 minutes by Amad who wasn’t great either and unlike yesterday didn’t grab his chance. (Unlike Garnacho)
* Spurs - 2 min
* Wolves - 17 min
* West Ham - 2 min
* Villa - 0 min
* Luton - 0 min
* Fulham - 1 min (Amad got 10 minutes here, subbed in before Antony)
* Man City - 15 min
* Everton - 7 min

Does that look like a “go to” sub?

Looks to me like Antony has lost his place since that Forest match in December when replaced by Amad, and has been getting very very few minutes to try and win it back. If Amad had performed v Forest then as he did yesterday, he’d have likely had many more chances.
Antony has been given 2 cup games, (one in which he scored and assisted), 17 mins v Wolves and 15 minutes v City to win his place back.
Amad has had 36 mins v Forest & 10 mins v Fulham to win his.

Let’s at least be honest here, Garnacho and Rashford have those spots now and since late December, it’s looked more and more like it’ll take something special (like yesterday) to change that & get either Amad or Antony more game time.

It’s clear that both Amad and Anthony are really struggling for game time, not due to each other but Garnacho, who has taken his opportunity with both hands, further proof that be it his own purchase or an Academy player, ETH will drop anyone and give people chances if they take their opportunities. Mainoo another example of this.
Make no mistake, Amad will get more chances now, and if he takes them, we will see much more of him.

 

[Rood]

Personally I think he's been managed quite well over the last couple of seasons. He had a great loan at Sunderland and this season has been challenged to take another step up to the next level here, a challenge that he's starting to rise to.

He hasn't had much game time because when he was given opportunities earlier in the season he wasn't putting in the required effort, particularly off the ball, and then injuries extended his absence.

He's had opportunities recently and has looked a completely different player; pressing, harrying, tracking back, and generally working hard. That attitude will earn him plenty of opportunities, just like we've seen Garnacho earn a starting space after improving his level of effort.

No issues with his loans and he was obviously injured

But since return from injury he should have had all of Forson's minutes at the very least, that's the main gripe

 

[Rood]

 

[sglowrider]

I saw Amads first appearance for Sunderland, I believe it was against Middlesbrough, live on TV, he came on a sub, and he really didn't do anything special, and I think it was the same for his first few matches, but gradually, by getting regular minutes, he grew into one of Sunderland's best players, so I believe a similar scenario could be played out at United, that's if ETH gives him time on the pitch.

Agree. He starts off with a bang/goal.

But then fades off before slowly getting his sea legs again a couple of months later.

That's why I suggested that he go on loan back in November. I really didn't think ETH could afford to work him back into match fitness and rhythm.

 

[Solius]

Really not fussed about him. Sell for whatever we can get.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

For someone who has followed Amad so closely, it appears you’ve completely missed that he was fecking injured until almost January man.

Since Amad’s return to full fitness, Antony has managed the following minutes in the league:

* Forest - replaced after 54 minutes by Amad who wasn’t great either and unlike yesterday didn’t grab his chance. (Unlike Garnacho)
* Spurs - 2 min
* Wolves - 17 min
* West Ham - 2 min
* Villa - 0 min
* Luton - 0 min
* Fulham - 1 min (Amad got 10 minutes here, subbed in before Antony)
* Man City - 15 min
* Everton - 7 min

Does that look like a “go to” sub?

Looks to me like Antony has lost his place since that Forest match in December when replaced by Amad, and has been getting very very few minutes to try and win it back. If Amad had performed v Forest then as he did yesterday, he’d have likely had many more chances.
Antony has been given 2 cup games, (one in which he scored and assisted), 17 mins v Wolves and 15 minutes v City to win his place back.
Amad has had 36 mins v Forest & 10 mins v Fulham to win his.

Let’s at least be honest here, Garnacho and Rashford have those spots now and since late December, it’s looked more and more like it’ll take something special (like yesterday) to change that & get either Amad or Antony more game time.

Agree with your points re Antony but Amad was good against Forest. In fact, ETH singled him out for praise after that cameo. Which made it all the weirder for Forson to apparently jump ahead of him in the pecking order over the next few games.

 

[The Hilton]

No issues with his loans and he was obviously injured

But since return from injury he should have had all of Forson's minutes at the very least, that's the main gripe

But why should he? Forson earned his minutes by applying himself when given the opportunity. Amad's first match back from injury, he didn't work hard enough, which limited his chances, but the last few appearances he's doing a lot more work for the team, which should earn him more minutes.

If after these performances he doesn't get more minutes, then I'll agree with you, but up until now I think he's been managed well, and has learned that he can't coast off the ball here like he was able to at Sunderland.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

No issues with his loans and he was obviously injured

But since return from injury he should have had all of Forson's minutes at the very least, that's the main gripe

It’s funny how people seem to think selection is based purely on first team games and names on paper whereas much of this decision making process is actually based on the day to day training and behaviour. They have to manage a group and maintain a work culture - often decisions are based on who is following the right culture / instructions or is more fit at the time than simply natural talent. If Amad applies himself and works as hard as Garnacho has this season, he’ll give himself a chance.

 

[sglowrider]

We have to get Amad, Hojlund, Garnacho and Mainoo starting regularly together now.

Yeap. Building for a new future. They will be the foundation.

You add Mejbri into the mix, and you have some physicality with guile.

 

[mav_9me]

Yeap. Building for a new future. They will be the foundation.

You add Mejbri into the mix, and you have some physicality with guile.

I want to go to an alternate reality where our starting midfield is Mainoo/Mejbri and Amad.....

 

[Pickle85]

You're not alone...I've had to eat some words on this subject since last night!

 

[Roux]

I know, right? The pass from Garnacho wasn't quite right, needed to be in front of Amad for him to run onto. Instead took him wide on his weeker foot. The strike isn't the cleanest, either, but couldn't have placed it any better.

Also, that first yellow was harsh. They need to clamp down on free kicks and throw ins being taken miles away from where they ought to be.

Yeah it was like a Fifa goal. The percentage of that shot going in must have been really low.

 

[Yagami]

But why should he? Forson earned his minutes by applying himself when given the opportunity. Amad's first match back from injury, he didn't work hard enough, which limited his chances, but the last few appearances he's doing a lot more work for the team, which should earn him more minutes.

If after these performances he doesn't get more minutes, then I'll agree with you, but up until now I think he's been managed well, and has learned that he can't coast off the ball here like he was able to at Sunderland.

Where has this "he doesn't work hard enough" thing come from? His cameo against Forest? I couldn't disagree more if so.

The only thing that would've made sense of Forson being preferred over him was if Amad wasn't doing well in training, but, as @Pogue Mahone posted above, ten Hag praised Amad's performances in training so there's no excuse, really. I could understand Antony being preferred (even though I had my preference) but not Forson. Amad has never been a lazy player so the justification of said choice by saying Forson works harder, which makes up for him being less ready in terms of physicality and technique needed at the top level, doesn't make sense to me because Amad always works hard, too.

"Coast off the ball here like he was able to at Sunderland". Amad didn't coast at Sunderland. He was a very hard working player at Sunderland, which was a big reason as to why Mowbray loved him. He'd press, track back, cover for his full back, you name it. There are still plenty of full games on the official Sunderland YouTube channel to see for yourself.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Yesterday was Amad-ness!! Still buzzing.

Inject it into my veins!!!!

 

[Gordon's Hill]

For someone who has followed Amad so closely, it appears you’ve completely missed that he was fecking injured until almost January man.

Since Amad’s return to full fitness, Antony has managed the following minutes in the league:

* Forest - replaced after 54 minutes by Amad who wasn’t great either and unlike yesterday didn’t grab his chance. (Unlike Garnacho)
* Spurs - 2 min
* Wolves - 17 min
* West Ham - 2 min
* Villa - 0 min
* Luton - 0 min
* Fulham - 1 min (Amad got 10 minutes here, subbed in before Antony)
* Man City - 15 min
* Everton - 7 min

Does that look like a “go to” sub?

Looks to me like Antony has lost his place since that Forest match in December when replaced by Amad, and has been getting very very few minutes to try and win it back. If Amad had performed v Forest then as he did yesterday, he’d have likely had many more chances.
Antony has been given 2 cup games, (one in which he scored and assisted), 17 mins v Wolves and 15 minutes v City to win his place back.
Amad has had 36 mins v Forest & 10 mins v Fulham to win his.

Let’s at least be honest here, Garnacho and Rashford have those spots now and since late December, it’s looked more and more like it’ll take something special (like yesterday) to change that & get either Amad or Antony more game time.

It’s clear that both Amad and Anthony are really struggling for game time, not due to each other but Garnacho, who has taken his opportunity with both hands, further proof that be it his own purchase or an Academy player, ETH will drop anyone and give people chances if they take their opportunities. Mainoo another example of this.
Make no mistake, Amad will get more chances now, and if he takes them, we will see much more of him.

Wow, people take this so personally. Firstly, I haven't watched Amad that closely, but a bit, but he scored some good goals and assists for Sunderland and was v highly rated as youth player. Second, its not about who ETH selects since Amad was fit. My point is that ETH persists with players for ages before he drops them. Antony has started 22 matches and come on in 11, despite offering close to zero all match. Second, ETH played Forson ahead of Amad, despite the latter having a season of first team football, and Forson looking bang average. Even ETH said afterwards that Amad hadnt been getting the minutes his training deserved. If you think a whopping of 46 minutes of football in very poor team performances, especially Fulham, is sufficient to judge a player then fine. Players need to play themselves in especially after a serious injury. The only positive for ETH is he has clearly given up on Amrabat, another awful signing he chased all summer and wasted £9m on a loan fee on. Lets hope he does now give Amad a proper chance.

 

[Lyng]

Where has this "he doesn't work hard enough" thing come from? His cameo against Forest? I couldn't disagree more if so.

The only thing that would've made sense of Forson being preferred over him was if Amad wasn't doing well in training, but, as @Pogue Mahone posted above, ten Hag praised Amad's performances in training so there's no excuse, really. I could understand Antony being preferred (even though I had my preference) but not Forson. Amad has never been a lazy player so the justification of said choice by saying Forson works harder, which makes up for him being less ready in terms of physicality and technique needed at the top level, doesn't make sense to me because Amad always works hard, too.

"Coast off the ball here like he was able to at Sunderland". Amad didn't coast at Sunderland. He was a very hard working player at Sunderland, which was a big reason as to why Mowbray loved him. He'd press, track back, cover for his full back, you name it. There are still plenty of full games on the official Sunderland YouTube channel to see for yourself.

After last night I doubt we will see Forson picked ahead of Amad again.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Wow, people take this so personally. Firstly, I haven't watched Amad that closely, but a bit, but he scored some good goals and assists for Sunderland and was v highly rated as youth player. Second, its not about who ETH selects since Amad was fit. My point is that ETH persists with players for ages before he drops them. Antony has started 22 matches and come on in 11, despite offering close to zero all match. Second, ETH played Forson ahead of Amad, despite the latter having a season of first team football, and Forson looking bang average. Even ETH said afterwards that Amad hadnt been getting the minutes his training deserved. If you think a whopping of 46 minutes of football in very poor team performances, especially Fulham, is sufficient to judge a player then fine. Players need to play themselves in especially after a serious injury. The only positive for ETH is he has clearly given up on Amrabat, another awful signing he chased all summer and wasted £9m on a loan fee on. Lets hope he does now give Amad a proper chance.

To be fair mate, what manager doesn’t persist for as long as possible with a big signing?
That’s literally the case at every club on the planet, big signings get more chances than academy lads for sure.
My original point was that Garnacho has proven ETH will play an academy player over a big signing, if they take their opportunities with both hands, something you disagreed with.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Agree with your points re Antony but Amad was good against Forest. In fact, ETH singled him out for praise after that cameo. Which made it all the weirder for Forson to apparently jump ahead of him in the pecking order over the next few games.

got the two Forest away games mixed up there. It was the cup away game where he had a nothing cameo, so you’re right.

 

[bosnian_red]

Hopefully this is a turning point with Amad (and Ten Hag using him), sometimes you need the big moments to give you that extra motivation and belief to get more game time and show up more in training. If he can enter the rotation, then we don't need to do anything to the wings next season. Rashford and Garnacho are the obvious starters, Antony and Amad the backups, that's fine.

 

[matherto]

How many tackles did he actually put in?!?

Was genuinely surprised at how stuck in he got. Last time we saw him in a cameo he looked like a boy on the pitch but he fully went for it yesterday. Great effort from the lad and a well deserved goal to boot.

 

[AltiUn]

Talk about making your chance count when it presents itself, do goals get any better than that? A last minute winner in a comeback victory against your biggest rivals at home which sends the crowd delirious!

 

[golden_blunder]

Absolutely stood up to be counted. Let’s hope that’s the kickstart now for his United career

 

[DJ_21]

Not gonna lie I thought he was gonna miss at the end. I like how he tricked the defender and went on the outside. Had a really good cameo, tracked back and won the ball a few times

 

[sglowrider]

Was genuinely surprised at how stuck in he got. Last time we saw him in a cameo he looked like a boy on the pitch but he fully went for it yesterday. Great effort from the lad and a well deserved goal to boot.

He got that from Mowbray and Sunderland. He wasn't very physical when at Rangers and at the start of his stint at Roker.

 

[Mainoonited]

It's daft how much I want to see young players who come into our club to succeed. I guess for United fans it's the nostalgia element of creating another class of youngsters to lead us to glory. It's one match, but i hope he goes on to be a superstar for us.

 

[jem]

He's always been class in my opinion, just his frames a bit light but I think he's just one of those players that can keep the ball for days and pick the right option.

Strange we aren't really playing him more. But he has been injured.

I agree - I love the way he plays (granted this opinion is based on limited viewings of him in a United shirt and many Sunderland YouTube highlights.) He just looks like the kind of player who would fit in with the City playing style, and we've been in desperate need of such players for years.

 

[The Hilton]

Where has this "he doesn't work hard enough" thing come from? His cameo against Forest? I couldn't disagree more if so.

The only thing that would've made sense of Forson being preferred over him was if Amad wasn't doing well in training, but, as @Pogue Mahone posted above, ten Hag praised Amad's performances in training so there's no excuse, really. I could understand Antony being preferred (even though I had my preference) but not Forson. Amad has never been a lazy player so the justification of said choice by saying Forson works harder, which makes up for him being less ready in terms of physicality and technique needed at the top level, doesn't make sense to me because Amad always works hard, too.

"Coast off the ball here like he was able to at Sunderland". Amad didn't coast at Sunderland. He was a very hard working player at Sunderland, which was a big reason as to why Mowbray loved him. He'd press, track back, cover for his full back, you name it. There are still plenty of full games on the official Sunderland YouTube channel to see for yourself.

There's "no excuse" for not playing a young inexperienced player who was in the championship last season and was injured for most of this season? Come on mate, we can't have a sensible discussion about this if hyperbole like that is involved.

Regarding coasting at Sunderland, I've only really seen the highlights and my comment about him coasting is going by comments from Sunderland fans, but I'm willing to accept I'm not an authority about that. But in the Forest cameo he had, praise from ETH or not, the winning goal for Forest came from Amad giving the ball away with a sloppy pass, and he made next to no effort to get back. The likes of Garnacho (since his transformation) and Antony, and even Amad of his last few appearances, would have been busting a gut to get back.

As for Forson, he's generally come on to play more centrally, so it's not a direct comparison between the two. But Forson has worked hard and played well, and has earned his minutes.

Going forward, I think that Amad will definitely be getting more minutes, just like he was preferred today, as his recent performances have been good and he's shown the level of work rate required. If he's mysteriously dropped until the end of the season then I'll agree with you, but at the moment he's being rewarded for his performances with opportunities.

 

[Rood]

But why should he? Forson earned his minutes by applying himself when given the opportunity. Amad's first match back from injury, he didn't work hard enough, which limited his chances, but the last few appearances he's doing a lot more work for the team, which should earn him more minutes.

If after these performances he doesn't get more minutes, then I'll agree with you, but up until now I think he's been managed well, and has learned that he can't coast off the ball here like he was able to at Sunderland.

It’s funny how people seem to think selection is based purely on first team games and names on paper whereas much of this decision making process is actually based on the day to day training and behaviour. They have to manage a group and maintain a work culture - often decisions are based on who is following the right culture / instructions or is more fit at the time than simply natural talent. If Amad applies himself and works as hard as Garnacho has this season, he’ll give himself a chance.

Obviously I understand the manager sees the players in training and makes his decisions accordingly but Forson over Amad was a bizarre call from Ten Hag.

Forson is clearly nowhere near ready for first team football, he never even stood out that much in youth football but credit to him as he's obviously worked hard and listened to the manager or wouldn't have got his shot.

Possibly Amad was still not 100% fit when he first came back. It's the only logical reason because he's lightyears ahead of Forson in development, I'm not sure Forson is even at the level Amad was in 2021 when Ole first gave him his debut.

Anyway seems Amad is now ahead of Forson so it's only a few games that was the issue.

 

[DWelbz19]

He has two goals for this club and one was a super intelligent run and backwards deft header vs AC Milan in a Europa knockout (we won 2-1 on aggregate), and the other was a well earned counter and clever finish in 120th min winner vs Liverpool

Big game player.

 

[tenpoless]

Wanted him to be ahead of Antony in the pecking order since last season. He did really well at Sunderland after being given time. We shouldnt let him go. Itll be daft.

 

[The Hilton]

Obviously I understand the manager sees the players in training and makes his decisions accordingly but Forson over Amad was a bizarre call from Ten Hag.

Forson is clearly nowhere near ready for first team football, he never even stood out that much in youth football but credit to him as he's obviously worked hard and listened to the manager or wouldn't have got his shot.

Possibly Amad was still not 100% fit when he first came back. It's the only logical reason because he's lightyears ahead of Forson in development, I'm not sure Forson is even at the level Amad was in 2021 when Ole first gave him his debut.

Anyway seems Amad is now ahead of Forson so it's only a few games that was the issue.

I don't think it's the only logical reason, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it is a logical reason and almost certainly true, we all know how match fitness takes time.

What I have an issue with is the putting down of Forson in order to justify Amad getting more minutes, I think he's done pretty well when he's come in, was involved in an important moment against Wolves - the winning goal was Mainoo magic, but Forson held up the ball brilliantly to start that off - and had earned the minutes he received.

Amad's cameos have progressively gotten better, he's earned the minutes he's been getting, and now more than likely he'll have earned even more.

 

[Remember the geese]

I'm not sure Forson is even at the level Amad was in 2021 when Ole first gave him his debut.

Yeah, he definitely isn't. Though that's simply because Amad is a completely different level of talent to Forson.

 

[Pughnichi]

Got to credit him for his composure and decision making. He said in post match interview he was wanting to return the pass back to Garnacho….and you can see he almost makes the pass…but right at the last realises it isn’t on…so quickly takes a touch to get the shot off…and in doing so he actually wrong footed the defender to create the yard for the shot.

fine lines. Brilliant composure and perfectly executed.

Irritates me a bit that ETH has come out and said afterwards (after Amad saved him) that Amad is unfortunate with his game time. That’s purely down to ETH who, given Bruno’s recent poor performances could have tried him as a central creative player. He’s clearly capable

squad management could/should be better

 

[Grande]

I don't think it's the only logical reason, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it is a logical reason and almost certainly true, we all know how match fitness takes time.

What I have an issue with is the putting down of Forson in order to justify Amad getting more minutes, I think he's done pretty well when he's come in, was involved in an important moment against Wolves - the winning goal was Mainoo magic, but Forson held up the ball brilliantly to start that off - and had earned the minutes he received.

Amad's cameos have progressively gotten better, he's earned the minutes he's been getting, and now more than likely he'll have earned even more.

Yup. We need to have a bit of patience with young players.