[Red-17]

Another game where he does feck all. Would like to see him start I guess to see if he can do more from the start.

Set up Garnacho's shot, had a shot blocked that was on target from his own teammate, won the ball back a few times. Not terrible for limited minutes playiing in a floating position with no clear organization. Still not sure why Ten Hag is allergic to playing him and Mainoo at the same time, one of the few players who is capable of playing a similar style.

 

[Gordon S]

Did ok, won the ball defensively a couple of times, a couple of good moves going forward, but shows little of what he can.
But there is barely a player looking good for us. Just Bruno who pulls a few strings and looks decent and Garnacho who gets his head down and just runs with it. Does it well, at times, and not so well at other times. Frustrating.
What are the instructions, what is the plan?

 

[TempusFugit]

He won't make it here if Ten Hag stays. Antony just scored as well, so he's guaranteed to start every game till the season's over.

Honestly i don't understand why quite a few users here are so keen to write him off. Is coming on and turning the game around by himself the only way he'll change people's minds? Not to mention that our attack was a mess after our focal point in Højlund came off, with players getting in each others way. Personally I've got a lot of time for Amad. He needs a run of games, writing him off after less than 300 proper minutes in a Utd shirt is crazy.

 

[Idxomer]

This is what a lot of us said would happen. Thrown on in yet another chaotic game, fails to impress because everything is a mess, and that's then used as justification for not starting him.

He's not someone who's going to come on and singlehandedly change our fortunes. However, with a chance of a run as a starter where he finds his rhythm and gels with other starters, he could bring a better balance to our team for the remainder of the season.

I've always said he's not a generational talent, and his limit is probably a squad player here if he reaches his potential, but he's still a good player who, in my opinion, deserves a run in the team because it's not as if we're playing well enough to warrant the refusal to freshen things up.

He still hasn't started a PL game since the dead rubber against Wolves in 20/21. 230 minutes in total over 8 games this season in all competitions.

He wasn't given a chance to start against the two worst teams in the league. It's clear Ten Hag doesn't rate him and wants to give Antony as many chances as possible to redeem himself. He was fine today after being thrown in another game United can't control without a defined position.

 

[Red-17]

This is what a lot of us said would happen. Thrown on in yet another chaotic game, fails to impress because everything is a mess, and that's then used as justification for not starting him.

He's not someone who's going to come on and singlehandedly change our fortunes. However, with a chance of a run as a starter where he finds his rhythm and gels with other starters, he could bring a better balance to our team for the remainder of the season.

I've always said he's not a generational talent, and his limit is probably a squad player here if he reaches his potential, but he's still a good player who, in my opinion, deserves a run in the team because it's not as if we're playing well enough to warrant the refusal to freshen things up.

Exactly, he is not Arjen Robben or a player who is going to single handedly take the game to the opponent like Garnacho, but he is someone who can play quick football, keep possession, and pick out dangerous passes. That is a much less valuable set of skills in a disorganized team though, and our games tend to become more chaotic the longer they go.

Him not getting a single start the entire season is simply inexcusable given the players in front of him. Antony gets chance after chance and finally takes it which will surely lock up his starting position for another month. Meanwhile we will go into the summer knowing we have a winger in Antony who is not good enough to be a starter while still having no real idea what Amad is capable of offering us going into next season. In addition, no other team is going to come in and offer 40 or 50 million for him because he simply hasn't had enough opportunities to prove anything.

 

[Sylar]

This is what a lot of us said would happen. Thrown on in yet another chaotic game, fails to impress because everything is a mess, and that's then used as justification for not starting him.

He's not someone who's going to come on and singlehandedly change our fortunes. However, with a chance of a run as a starter where he finds his rhythm and gels with other starters, he could bring a better balance to our team for the remainder of the season.

I've always said he's not a generational talent, and his limit is probably a squad player here if he reaches his potential, but he's still a good player who, in my opinion, deserves a run in the team because it's not as if we're playing well enough to warrant the refusal to freshen things up.

Id go along with that. I'm guessing hrs not starting fa cup so doubt he will start any games until end of season unless we get injuries. Honestly think he needs to score / assist every time he comes on for the next three games to be given a chance at starting the last league game

 

[Red-17]

He still hasn't started a PL game since the dead rubber against Wolves in 20/21. 230 minutes in total over 8 games this season in all competitions.

He wasn't given a chance to start against the two worst teams in the league. It's clear Ten Hag doesn't rate him and wants to give Antony as many chances as possible to redeem himself. He was fine today after being thrown in another game United can't control without a defined position.

He's also clearly dispelled the myth that he is a pushover defensively, he has looked miles better winning balls back and pressing than Rashford and even Garnacho in the limited minutes he's been afforded. With our season already a wash, it's pretty ridiculous how little he is playing.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

I didn't even think he was that bad. It kind of just feels like because the result was shite the fans feel like they have to get on every player's back.

 

[Stadjer]

He isnt going to save Manchester United but i do like him when he is on the pitch. Hopefully he will start a game this season.

 

[Nick7]

He's also clearly dispelled the myth that he is a pushover defensively, he has looked miles better winning balls back and pressing than Rashford and even Garnacho in the limited minutes he's been afforded. With our season already a wash, it's pretty ridiculous how little he is playing.

Seems to be a tactical thing. Garnacho was much better defensively on the right than on the left. We seem to leave our left winger high and instruct them not to anything defensively

 

[Oranges038]

Composed on the ball, really needs a run of games to get fully up to speed. Throwing him on late in these games does him no favours at all.

 

[El Zoido]

We look better when he plays, he should be starting. He presses really well, is great with his feet, good close control and technique, and weight of pass. He’s a very smart and tidy player who could progress greatly if he got more opportunities. Physicality is the only issue since he’s short and slight, but I don’t think that’s so much of a problem with the way the game is these days.

 

[flameinthesun]

We look better when he plays, he should be starting. He presses really well, is great with his feet, good close control and technique, and weight of pass. He’s a very smart and tidy player who could progress greatly if he got more opportunities. Physicality is the only issue since he’s short and slight, but I don’t think that’s so much of a problem with the way the game is these days.

I know Antony is not flavour of the month but I still think he provides more than Amad at the moment. Where Amad does shine, or has shone I'd say in flashes and in the championship is the creative passing side but he has struggled to show that in the admittedly brief appearances. I think Antony is a better presser, better defensively, I think he keeps the ball as good or better than Amad and is a little faster (and this is in context of Antony clearly not being good enough for us). The one thing that is giving me reservations about Amad is the bar being Antony is pretty low on the right side and yes Amad is young and had an injury but when giving a chance I'm not really seeing a player that demands to be played. Both Kobbie and Garnacho are younger and when given their chances you could see them taking it. With Amad, similar to Hannibal actually, they just don't seem to be impressing that much when stepping into the first team. It might just be that the step up to the united first team in the prem is a step too big for them. Which would be no shame but when you have Garnacho who is younger than Amad and making an impact I fear that Amad just isn't going to end up good enough for us. Still earlyish days and I hope I'm proved wrong but like Pellistri, Hannibal I'm starting to lean on the side of selling him if a good offer comes.

 

[Grande]

Composed on the ball, really needs a run of games to get fully up to speed. Throwing him on late in these games does him no favours at all.

I think giving him 15-30 min cameos is the accepted method for getting young players fully up to speed.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Composed on the ball, really needs a run of games to get fully up to speed. Throwing him on late in these games does him no favours at all.

I think giving him 15-30 min cameos is the accepted method for getting young players fully up to speed.

The last three league games he's come on after 45, 55 and 65 mins. As Grande says, that's perfectly fine amount of times for a sub - especially a young player. There's absolutely no reason to say that bringing him on then is "Throwing him on late in these games does him no favours at all."

I get the frustration behind wanting Antony dropped and Amad starting. But it's excuse making if you're trying to argue that coming on after 45-65 mins does a sub no favours and doesn't give them the time to perform well and influence games.

 

[Smores]

The last three league games he's come on after 45, 55 and 65 mins. As Grande says, that's perfectly fine amount of times for a sub - especially a young player. There's absolutely no reason to say that bringing him on then is "Throwing him on late in these games does him no favours at all."

I get the frustration behind wanting Antony dropped and Amad starting. But it's excuse making if you're trying to argue that coming on after 45-65 mins does a sub no favours and doesn't give them the time to perform well and influence games.

I agree but I'd say for subs it's better to have direct individual players over a controlled possession heavy style unless you're seeing out a game. The issue right now is I don't think he's particularly trusted (unfairly I might say) to see out games so Antony is favoured defensively, meaning he's probably not on at the right times.

I think he was decent yesterday personally, a very smart lay off which should have been an assist and a nearly goal towards the end. That's a good contribution for a young sub.

 

[Jeppers7]

Expecting anyone especially a young player with limited experience to come into the mess he’s coming into in games and change the direction when the teams shape is all over the place…is looking to justify your own agenda.

 

[Oranges038]

I think giving him 15-30 min cameos is the accepted method for getting young players fully up to speed.

In a functional team aye, in this mess coming into games always hanging in the balance it's not doing young players any favours. Same goes for Mainoo and Garnacho, maybe even Hojlund, they have good moments but for such young players there is just too much being expected from them.

When they don't deliver consistently questions start being asked about their ability about the manager etc. It adds unnecessary pressure and is not good for their development, ideally you want these guys starting games you expect to win with experienced players guiding them through, or bringing them on when you have a 2 or 3 goal lead and give them experience that way.

 

[horsechoker]

I hope we keep him if we're going to a possession system, he might not be the next Bernardo Silva but I think he can work as a squad player and I'd rather see him get 30 minutes at the end of a match then Antony.

 

[Desert Eagle]

I'd start him over Garnacho next game. Antony can play on the other side.

 

[Grande]

In a functional team aye, in this mess coming into games always hanging in the balance it's not doing young players any favours. Same goes for Mainoo and Garnacho, maybe even Hojlund, they have good moments but for such young players there is just too much being expected from them.

When they don't deliver consistently questions start being asked about their ability about the manager etc. It adds unnecessary pressure and is not good for their development, ideally you want these guys starting games you expect to win with experienced players guiding them through, or bringing them on when you have a 2 or 3 goal lead and give them experience that way.

I don’t think it’s any easier starting games for a team in disarray. Rather, a young player will typically play with higher shoulders starting, and get blamed more for bad results when starting. It’s also easier showcasing yourself against tired defenders. Most normal youngsters impress more as subs at the start of their carreers, than they do as starters. Garnacho was similar.

Claiming that Amad would impress more if he had started rather than coming on for the last 45-25 mins is a strained and unconvincing hypothesis to me. I think he currently is showing the nice details and attitude that explains why he is getting minutes, and the small indecisions and slight weakness in penetration that is to be expected from a player not yet ready to be stsrting consistently. Since his injury, he has slowly been getting more and more opportunities, which is looking good for his prospects of developping imo.

 

[dutchred]

I wish we would play him in the Mainoo role and give Kobbie a rest. Amad was good in that role for Sunderland

 

[lsd]

I've said it in the Antony bit I don't think I've ever seen a situation before where a player has been punished for scoring the biggest goal of the clubs season.

That's what Ten Hag has done to Amad he must have been raging it was Amad scored that winner against Liverpool

 

[Red00012]

ETH really doesn’t rate Amad

 

[Bwuk]

ETH really doesn’t rate Amad

ETH is clueless.

 

[Yagami]

When he first returned from injury and couldn't buy a start, I accepted that he would not start a game this season. Then he had that Liverpool moment and I thought "surely?" but nope. Still hasn't come close to a start.

Producing our moment of the season, having an injury ravaged squad and the team/his competition playing terrible in general still isn't enough to earn him one start. Just one. Some people defend this but it's mental to me.

 

[3KDré]

I wouldn't take it to heart if I were him. This is the same manager that started Antony over Kudus then bought Antony for double the price of Kudus.

 

[Red71]

I wouldn't take it to heart if I were him. This is the same manager that started Antony over Kudus then bought Antony for double the price of Kudus.

Just reading that…it’s bonkers really…

 

[Red71]

When he first returned from injury and couldn't buy a start, I accepted that he would not start a game this season. Then he had that Liverpool moment and I thought "surely?" but nope. Still hasn't come close to a start.

Producing our moment of the season, having an injury ravaged squad and the team/his competition playing terrible in general still isn't enough to earn him one start. Just one. Some people defend this but it's mental to me.

I agree with all of this…it is hard to understand. To see him finally decide to take off Antony and his first thought isn’t “Let’s go like for like with Amad”…no, it’s “Let’s bring on a ponderous midfielder who’s not going to contribute (positively!) and won’t be here next season either…get Amrabat warmed up”…it is absolutely infuriating…

 

[Redstain]

I wouldn't take it to heart if I were him. This is the same manager that started Antony over Kudus then bought Antony for double the price of Kudus.

Just about to use the same example, Amad should just be a few more weeks patient and try his luck under a more competent manager.

 

[Woziak]

ETH really doesn’t rate Amad

He never rated Sancho either, he likes to overplay players, not rotate and doesn’t understand how to manage an elite squad not that we are, however if the Bayern rumours are true wait to their fans experience his arrogance and stubborn nature with how he handles Leroy Sane, Serge Gnabry, Kingsley Coman, Thomas Muhler, Jamal Musiala and Mathys Tel!

 

[lsd]

He never rated Sancho either, he likes to overplay players, not rotate and doesn’t understand how to manage an elite squad not that we are, however if the Bayern rumours are true wait to their fans experience his arrogance and stubborn nature with how he handles Leroy Sane, Serge Gnabry, Kingsley Coman, Thomas Muhler, Jamal Musiala and Mathys Tel!

This is why the give Ten Hag time argument is so annoying. There is nothing you can see in Ten Hag's management style that will improve in time.

If he is still our manager next season he will be playing Antony week in week out and Amad will be long time

 

[Desert Eagle]

He never rated Sancho either, he likes to overplay players, not rotate and doesn’t understand how to manage an elite squad not that we are, however if the Bayern rumours are true wait to their fans experience his arrogance and stubborn nature with how he handles Leroy Sane, Serge Gnabry, Kingsley Coman, Thomas Muhler, Jamal Musiala and Mathys Tel!

Just listening to the Ashley Young interview on MNF and he mentions Fergie's ability to keep the entire squad happy and motivated as one of his great strengths. Fergie would tell players in advance to get ready for certain games even though they weren't playing as much. ETH like you said is stubborn, doesn't seem to understand rotation which can and has led to players being checked out and burnt out.

 

[kouroux]

Just about to use the same example, Amad should just be a few more weeks patient and try his luck under a more competent manager.

If ETH,somehow, is still the manager for next season, I'd hand in a transfer request if I'm him

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

ETH really doesn’t rate Amad

Going by ten Hag's judgement of players, Amad should take that as a badge of honour.

 

[Woziak]

Just listening to the Ashley Young interview on MNF and he mentions Fergie's ability to keep the entire squad happy and motivated as one of his great strengths. Fergie would tell players in advance to get ready for certain games even though they weren't playing as much. ETH like you said is stubborn, doesn't seem to understand rotation which can and has led to players being checked out and burnt out.

And there we have it something a lot of fans called from March last year, he only made changes when forced to make them like Casemiro red cards. In reality if he rotated the squad correctly he would have prolonged some of the players careers like Varane, Casemiro, Eriksen etc, look at Ross Barkley engine levels compared to those three and he’s in the same age bracket, he was rotated at Chelsea, rotated at Villa and now he’s still got legs.

My worry with this clown is that he’ll soon burn out Garnaucho, Mainoo and Hojlund, the guy has major issues with his coaching and his over selection of favourites, he really should be sacked this morning!

 

[led_scholes]

We could play a non league team and he would still not start. But if we would play against Real Madrid he would. He gave the same treatment to Pellistri.

 

[Drifter]

What does he have to do to get a game? If ETH stays, I can see Diallo going

 

[Yagami]

What does he have to do to get a game? If ETH stays, I can see Diallo going

I don't think he starts a game unless literally everyone who can play in the three spots behind the CF (AM, LW, RW) are injured. He's rock bottom in the pecking order. Though I think he may be ahead of Forson now at least (who's still started a game more than Amad).

 

[Lash]

I don't think he starts a game unless literally everyone who can play in the three spots behind the CF (AM, LW, RW) are injured. He's rock bottom in the pecking order. Though I think he may be ahead of Forson now at least (who's still started a game more than Amad).

To be fair, he has moved to the first attacking sub role, but yeah he should be starting ahead of Antony after that abject performance against Palace.

Antony seems to pull the odd performance out the bag when he's under threat and then goes straight back to shite.

He got 45 mins against Bournemouth, 35 against Sheffield and 25 Burnley where he just didn't really have the impact he should have, if he's looking to earn a starting. As I keep saying, he needs to get the start on merit really, not because Antony is rubbish. That being said, I think the Palace game where Antony was so ineffective and his attitude stunk, he should be dropped for and Amad should get his mins for pure professionalism reasons.