[jem]

Needs to be fined as well as Garnacho for airing dirty laundry out n social media. Irrespective of who “started it”, he had an option to ignore. Failed to. Fine them both. Sick of these entitled clowns running to social media when they get a little bit of sand in their vaginas.

Has something happened with his social media?

 

[Leethal]

Has something happened with his social media?

Garnacho posted some shit about being subbed, and he responded with a picture of himself and the “zip it” emoji. Childish shit, but needs to be punished. Leave that garbage to the dressing rooms. We have enough shit going on in the club, without fanning the flames.

 

[STYLOISRED]

Needs to be fined as well as Garnacho for airing dirty laundry out n social media. Irrespective of who “started it”, he had an option to ignore. Failed to. Fine them both. Sick of these entitled clowns running to social media when they get a little bit of sand in their vaginas.

Fined for what exactly?? There is nothing on his social media suggesting he aired dirty laundry. It's possible there is something going on behind the scenes but he latest post with the zipped mouth could mean anything. The club fining him would basically affirm that there is indeed something going on behind the scenes.

To be honest, I kind of understand if he is not happy with the amount of playing time he is getting. Players like Rashford get chance after chance and do nothing with it but lose the ball constantly. If he doesn't start the cup game against Coventry then he should rightly be pissed

 

[Leethal]

Fined for what exactly?? There is nothing on his social media suggesting he aired dirty laundry. It's possible there is something going on behind the scenes but he latest post with the zipped mouth could mean anything. The club fining him would basically affirm that there is indeed something going on behind the scenes.

To be honest, I kind of understand if he is not happy with the amount of playing time he is getting. Players like Rashford get chance after chance and do nothing with it but lose the ball constantly. If he doesn't start the cup game against Coventry then he should rightly be pissed

Please. It’s clear a response to Garnacho. Doesn’t take a genius to see that. You’re arguing semantics and looking to excuse his behaviour. It’s blatantly obvious he’s telling Garnacho to zip it; as he’s the one he was subbed in for.

Also, If he’s not happy with his play time, go see the manager. Don’t run to social media. If he’s pissed, deal with it internally in the managers office; not over Instagram and Twitter. Other than that, agree. He has every right to be pissed. But deal with it professionally.

I’m baffled you could advocate this. It’s just childish and strange. Nothing positive to come from it at all.

 

[sglowrider]

His confidence must be rock bottom because he has had the chance to build any form of momentum, score a last minute winner and got carded then frozen out subsequently when we all thought he had turned a corner. Came into the 2nd half for a team under the kosh where no one played remotely well, for a link up player what could he do?

He will be judged harshly on being ineffectual because clearly his leash is shorter than the others. Sadly I think he is done here but it's a shame cause he never got a real chance.

Same thing happened to Hannibal -- had his best game, where he out worked everyone and covered every blade of grass -- then gets frozen out for the next 8 games.

 

[Rood]

Garnacho posted some shit about being subbed, and he responded with a picture of himself and the “zip it” emoji. Childish shit, but needs to be punished. Leave that garbage to the dressing rooms. We have enough shit going on in the club, without fanning the flames.

Except Garnacho didn't post anything about being subbed and it's highly unlikely that Amad's post had anything to do with Garnacho - weird how people go to great lengths to find extreme interpretations of things on social media.

 

[Marwood]

I've watched him plenty for both us and Sunderland. Scored a few lovely goals for Sunderland as has a failed Spurs academy player who jumped around from lower league club to lower league club before this season.

"Jumping the gun" is such a silly statement as literally everything I've said has been phrased in the context of judging him to this point. Which obviously decent talent, neat and tidy would be totally fair. Believing that is not a reasonable assessment to date is totally delusional.

That doesn't mean I've categorized him for life and don't think it's possible he could go on to be a very good player. I hope he does. I hate that so many people's silly rose tinted assessment of what he has looked like so far is making me seem like I'm hating on him just for having a more balanced view on the level of talent he has actually shown so far.

"A few neat touches and some half decent pressing."

That's how you've characterised him as a player.

He scored 13 goals for Sunderland last season and their fans loved him. Does that fit your description of him as a player?

For United has even played 90mins yet? What is this season, 4 sub appearances or something?

All I'm saying is let the lad actually get a handful of full games before we start saying he's this or that.

And maybe give him more credit for a good loan spell.

 

[RuudTom83]

With United being 10 points (11 with goal difference) away from 5th place, now is the time to give the fringe players 2-3 games back to back.

Lets see what Amad can do. Garnacho can pop back over to the LW or after playing the last 25+ games straight he can have a little rest.

(I'm taking about the league not the FA Cup semi)

 

[jem]

Except Garnacho didn't post anything about being subbed and it's highly unlikely that Amad's post had anything to do with Garnacho - weird how people go to great lengths to find extreme interpretations of things on social media.

Yeah it's an incredible leap to think that Amad was responding to Garnacho.

 

[Leethal]

Yeah it's an incredible leap to think that Amad was responding to Garnacho.

Our players are little bitches. I don’t think it’s strange to think it all.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

"A few neat touches and some half decent pressing."

That's how you've characterised him as a player.

He scored 13 goals for Sunderland last season and their fans loved him. Does that fit your description of him as a player?

For United has even played 90mins yet? What is this season, 4 sub appearances or something?

All I'm saying is let the lad actually get a handful of full games before we start saying he's this or that.

And maybe give him more credit for a good loan spell.

"A few neat touches and some half decent pressing."

Is literally what he has shown for the vast majority of his professional career.

One addition it does describe what I sae at Sunderland as well as the fact he did score a hand full of lovely goals for them as I've said. Seems he has an eye for goal which is a good trait.

I'm really not sure what you're looking for here. Yes I would probably define his loan spell at Sunderland as pretty good. I personally would not go much further due to the level it was at and the fact he is 21 and not some teen.

Whether that satisfies what you're after or not I'm not sure. I truly hope he kicks on and becomes a brilliant player. I have nothing against the lad at all, just a slight question mark about some of the over-rating going on in this thread based on what he has shown so far.

 

[Irwin99]

I can understand people wanting to see more of the player but i think people can go a bit overboard and forget that we're not seeing everything that happens in training.

I've seen it happen so many times in the post SAF era that a player will almost become the savior of our season if only the idiot manager would actually pick him, e.g., why does Moyes not see it with Kagawa, did he not see how good he was at Dortmund? Why isn't Jose playing Andreas Pereira, did he not see how well we played in pre-season with him in the team? why is Ole not picking Donny VdB, did he not see how Ajax destroyed Real Madrid in the champions league? etc.

 

[luke511]

I can understand people wanting to see more of the player but i think people can go a bit overboard and forget that we're not seeing everything that happens in training.

I've seen it happen so many times in the post SAF era that a player will almost become the savior of our season if only the idiot manager would actually pick him, e.g., why does Moyes not see it with Kagawa, did he not see how good he was at Dortmund? Why isn't Jose playing Andreas Pereira, did he not see how well we played in pre-season with him in the team? why is Ole not picking Donny VdB, did he not see how Ajax destroyed Real Madrid in the champions league? etc.

Ten Hag on his efforts in training after the Liverpool game:

He does not always get the time to play he deserves by his training performances but then he is coming on, then he shows his contribution, scoring a goal. But we know he can do it, we know he has the key moments where he can decide a game.

 

[Irwin99]

Ten Hag on his efforts in training after the Liverpool game:

But he's still not playing, which suggests others are training better or are offering more of what EtH wants (more likely). I hope the lad does well and he gets his chances but I don't really expect miracles if he starts.

 

[luke511]

But he's still not playing, which suggests others are training better or are offering more of what EtH wants (more likely). I hope the lad does well and he gets his chances but I don't really expect miracles if he starts.

Or it suggests Ten Hag's decision making isn't great. At the end of the day we don't have to see what's going on the training ground, we have seen how badly Rashford has played this season, yet Ten Hag refuses to drop him.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Garnacho posted some shit about being subbed, and he responded with a picture of himself and the “zip it” emoji. Childish shit, but needs to be punished.

Please. It’s clear a response to Garnacho. Doesn’t take a genius to see that. You’re arguing semantics and looking to excuse his behaviour. It’s blatantly obvious he’s telling Garnacho to zip it; as he’s the one he was subbed in for.

I'm glad the emoji adjudicator is here to clear up any ambiguity in social media posts.

 

[Leethal]

I'm glad the emoji adjudicator is here to clear up any ambiguity in social media posts.

Obviously, it’s interpretive and ambiguous but these fecking idiots open themself up to it by posting cryptic bull shit on social media. They need to do some growing up and get off social media and focus on their job. Maybe I’m old school? Maybe this is how kids are nowadays? But I’d expect at a minimum a level of professional behaviour that doesn’t involve inviting media scrutiny.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Obviously, it’s interpretive and ambiguous but these fecking idiots open themself up to it by posting cryptic bull shit on social media. They need to do some growing up and get off social media and focus on their job. Maybe I’m old school? Maybe this is how kids are nowadays? But I’d expect at a minimum a level of professional behaviour that doesn’t involve inviting media scrutiny.

"These idiots need to get off social media", he says, as he proceeds to follow them on social media and relay their cryptic emojis as matter-of-fact statements.

 

[Grande]

Ten Hag on his efforts in training after the Liverpool game:

No need to speculate that much, as Darren Fletcher himself gave a pretty transparent and nuanced account recently of what Amad’s development needs are about.

 

[Leethal]

"These idiots need to get off social media", he says, as he proceeds to follow them on social media and relay their cryptic emojis as matter-of-fact statements.

Nice assumptions. Shame you’re wrong.

Further, these are professionals in the public eye under huge scrutiny for every move they make. You’d think they’d have the foresight to see that anything they put out there will be interpreted/ misinterpreted by all corners.

 

[Gordon's Hill]

No need to speculate that much, as Darren Fletcher himself gave a pretty transparent and nuanced account recently of what Amad’s development needs are about.

Can you share those? It seems to include not starting matches, while others walk around the pitch and stink the place out. What do they need?

 

[luke511]

No need to speculate that much, as Darren Fletcher himself gave a pretty transparent and nuanced account recently of what Amad’s development needs are about.

It’s Ten Hag on record saying Amad trains well and deserves game time because of how well he trains? It’s hardly speculation, it’s to put to bed the claims that Amad doesn’t train well. You have Fletcher’s comments on the requirements needed, whilst we have Rashford stinking up the place, a walking contradiction to Ten Hag’s requirements, never getting dropped.

 

[Grande]

It’s Ten Hag on record saying Amad trains well and deserves game time because of how well he trains? It’s hardly speculation, it’s to put to bed the claims that Amad doesn’t train well. You have Fletcher’s comments on the requirements needed, whilst we have Rashford stinking up the place, a walking contradiction to Ten Hag’s requirements, never getting dropped.

My mistake, I quoted the wrong quote from your exchange with @Irwin99. My point was: Irwin99 speculated as to wether it was training that puts others ahead of Amad for playing time, you brought forth Ten Hag’s absolutely interesting quotes post Liverpool (indeed giving arguments why Amad should play more), Irwin99 nuances that it could be other needs TH has from his players, you speculate that it’s because TH is not a good coach (partly contradicting your own TH quote?). Whereas Fletchers interview post Liverpool is a bit more specific as to what Amad still is developping (to which the L’pool game was a clear step forward, though not necessarily the end station).

Can you share those? It seems to include not starting matches, while others walk around the pitch and stink the place out. What do they need?

My take-home from this, is that Amad trains very well, but is lacking (yet) in game understanding, particularily in off-the-ball aspects (which is 95% of the game). He has gotten feed back from the coaching team and is starting to implement it just now.

The idiot interpretation is that ETH has no principles or structure demands for team movement, it looks disordered so it must be total chaos, and that Ten Hag, because he is stupid, will always a player who plays rubbish in a match over one who plays well in training if he gets to choose.

A more likely interpretation for me is that the team looks disordered because Ten Hag is struggling to get the players to understand and execute his movement principles and structure demands, and that as disappointing as Rashford, Antony and a few times Garnacho has been on the ball or tracking back (occasionally), they are still better at understanding Ten Hag’s demands for off-the-ball movement, and that TH prioritizes this over technical ability exactly because team disorder is the biggest issue this season.

 

[QuietOn Fortune]

Honestly Ten Hag not playing Amad against Coventry then i really want him sacked ASAP.

I give my players the support. The players have given up on him and so have i. I would rather lose against coventry and get Ten Hag sacked today.

How can you not play this youngster against bloody coventry?

We are playing our best squad 11 against coventry like he is scared we would lose this.

Nearly every other team atleast changes the goalkeeper on these cup games - not with Ten Hag.

 

[DWelbz19]

He’s almost certainly never starting under ten Hag. Don’t stress too much, there’s only a maximum of 8 more games to go.

Just hope we get an appropriate loan sorted very early next summer or the new manager gives him a chance. And he stays lucky with injury.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Honestly Ten Hag not playing Amad against Coventry then i really want him sacked ASAP.

I give my players the support. The players have given up on him and so have i. I would rather lose against coventry and get Ten Hag sacked today.

How can you not play this youngster against bloody coventry?

We are playing our best squad 11 against coventry like he is scared we would lose this.

Nearly every other team atleast changes the goalkeeper on these cup games - not with Ten Hag.

It’s not “bloody Coventry”. It’s the FA cup semi final - the biggest match of our season thus far. Obviously we won’t be starting a player who has barely featured all year. It wouldn’t make any sense.

 

[Oldyella]

Honestly Ten Hag not playing Amad against Coventry then i really want him sacked ASAP.

I give my players the support. The players have given up on him and so have i. I would rather lose against coventry and get Ten Hag sacked today.

How can you not play this youngster against bloody coventry?

We are playing our best squad 11 against coventry like he is scared we would lose this.

Nearly every other team atleast changes the goalkeeper on these cup games - not with Ten Hag.

You can want him gone(I do too) but wanting to lose a Wembley semi final is ridiculous.

 

[QuietOn Fortune]

It’s not “bloody Coventry”. It’s the FA cup semi final - the biggest match of our season thus far. Obviously we won’t be starting a player who has barely featured all year. It wouldn’t make any sense.

City change their goalkeeper against Chelsea and didnt play Haaland in their FA Cup Semi Final.

Him playing these players shows unconfidence.

We have won plenty of FA Cups Post SAF & not a single one has been called as a successful season by our own fans. Not under Van Gaal, not under Mourinho, not Ten Hag.

No one loves it now, no one loves it in the future.

Id rather get 2 months of extra squad training with an interim tbh.

 

[ggg333]

My mistake, I quoted the wrong quote from your exchange with @Irwin99. My point was: Irwin99 speculated as to wether it was training that puts others ahead of Amad for playing time, you brought forth Ten Hag’s absolutely interesting quotes post Liverpool (indeed giving arguments why Amad should play more), Irwin99 nuances that it could be other needs TH has from his players, you speculate that it’s because TH is not a good coach (partly contradicting your own TH quote?). Whereas Fletchers interview post Liverpool is a bit more specific as to what Amad still is developping (to which the L’pool game was a clear step forward, though not necessarily the end station).



My take-home from this, is that Amad trains very well, but is lacking (yet) in game understanding, particularily in off-the-ball aspects (which is 95% of the game). He has gotten feed back from the coaching team and is starting to implement it just now.

The idiot interpretation is that ETH has no principles or structure demands for team movement, it looks disordered so it must be total chaos, and that Ten Hag, because he is stupid, will always a player who plays rubbish in a match over one who plays well in training if he gets to choose.

A more likely interpretation for me is that the team looks disordered because Ten Hag is struggling to get the players to understand and execute his movement principles and structure demands, and that as disappointing as Rashford, Antony and a few times Garnacho has been on the ball or tracking back (occasionally), they are still better at understanding Ten Hag’s demands for off-the-ball movement, and that TH prioritizes this over technical ability exactly because team disorder is the biggest issue this season.

if that's the thing everyone in the team is being held for, when you see Rashford jogging around where is the same 95% he is seeing with him? or AWB or even Dalot(has improved from last year is that the standard we are hoping for?) - I would go as far as to say only Bruno does that off the ball aspects well and overdoing it too probably because he has to do it for all the other 3 people in the team.

 

[Raven]

Embarrassing not giving this lad a chance in a game like this.

 

[Bubz27]

City change their goalkeeper against Chelsea and didnt play Haaland in their FA Cup Semi Final.

Him playing these players shows unconfidence.

We have won plenty of FA Cups Post SAF & not a single one has been called as a successful season by our own fans. Not under Van Gaal, not under Mourinho, not Ten Hag.

No one loves it now, no one loves it in the future.

Id rather get 2 months of extra squad training with an interim tbh.

We've won one and lost 2 finals.

Think you've been wrong enough times now. Just watch the match or don't. Up to you.

 

[Pickle85]

Embarrassing not giving this lad a chance in a game like this.

Why? It's a semi final...assuming we want to win the FA Cup we should be going with our strongest.

 

[DWelbz19]

Another good substitute showing. Maybe he’s on a loyalty rewards system where if he has 6 in a row he can trade it in to get his first start

 

[lost7]

Another good substitute showing. Maybe he’s on a loyalty rewards system where if he has 6 in a row he can trade it in to get his first start

Really? Did feck all I thought. He had the chance to slip Bruno in on a counter and didn't

 

[Irwin99]

Another good substitute showing. Maybe he’s on a loyalty rewards system where if he has 6 in a row he can trade it in to get his first start

Really? Picked the wrong option every time and slowed the counter attacks.

Better than Antony at least.

 

[Cassidy]

He isn’t that good

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Really? Did feck all I thought. He had the chance to slip Bruno in on a counter and didn't

Don't worry, you aren't going blind. He just has a small cult on here that watch him play a 5 yard pass and go into a frenzy.

He was what he usually is, neat and tidy.

 

[reddevilz007]

Really? Did feck all I thought. He had the chance to slip Bruno in on a counter and didn't

Did more than Eriksen, Antony and Rashford combined.

 

[SER19]

Light years above rashford. Not his best appearance today but he can actually control and dribble with a football so...

 

[Nick7]

He was shit. Not as shit as the other wingers but still shit.