Alderweireld or Maguire

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GM K said:
I think our CB positions need urgent attention. First of all, keeping the ball from entering your net is now just half the role of the modern day defence. Nowadays, the quality of your football and attack is dictated to a large extent by the quality of football played by your defence. The best teams have CBs and full backs that are comfortable on the ball and can move it confidently to the midfield and attack. So, even though we conceded fewer goals than most last season, our defence was pretty average in moving the ball well out of defence into attack.
Moreover, one has to wonder what would have happened to us if we did not have the best goalkeeper in the world in our team.
We also have to look at certain realities:
- Jones is injury prone
- and most unexpectedly, Bailly has also become injury prone.
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I agree - the amount of times this has been said and people can't seem to grasp it. Our current defenders can't transition well and that's been one of our main problems going forward. We struggle to transition from defence to midfield so we need to bring in a CB to help do this.

So yes we may not conceded many goals but we don't score as much either.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
I agree - the amount of times this has been said and people can't seem to grasp it. Our current defenders can't transition well and that's been one of our main problems going forward. We struggle to transition from defence to midfield so we need to bring in a CB to help do this.
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Am i the only one who can't grasp why people say that we need to bring in a CB to help with our build up when we already have Lindelöf? He's one of the best of doing that which he clearly showed at the WC. Our problem is not that, our problem is Matic who always drops down and try to be a playmaker when he quite clearly ain't that good at it anymore. We would be better of playing with Lindelöf and letting him move with the ball forward while Matic stays back to shield the defence, which is his number one task to do..
 
Liverpool and City played best football in the league, one team had Otamendi who is average on the ball and other team had some no names as their CBs before they signed VVD.
 
Ljungster said:
Am i the only one who can't grasp why people say that we need to bring in a CB to help with our build up when we already have Lindelöf? He's one of the best of doing that which he clearly showed at the WC. Our problem is not that, our problem is Matic who always drops down and try to be a playmaker when he quite clearly ain't that good at it anymore. We would be better of playing with Lindelöf and letting him move with the ball forward while Matic stays back to shield the defence, which is his number one task to do..
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It remains to be seen if Lindelof can make it in the PL so the jury is still out on him. So far he hasn't really shown his ball playing abilities that he was brought in for, so bringing in someone like Alderweireld or another top class CB would help us immensely.

From what I've seen our midfielders drop deep because no one in defence can bring the ball out from the back, Pogba has had to do this loads of times.
 
Alderweireld by far. In addition to being a very good defender, he is brilliant technically and a great passer of the ball.
 
I think we will make huge mistake if we buy Maguire and sell Bailly. IMO Bailly could be one of the top CBs in the world and future captain material.
 
Terminator said:
Alderweireld by far. In addition to being a very good defender, he is brilliant technically and a great passer of the ball.
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Maguire's almost as good technically and he's much bigger and better in the air. You can get big and strong centre backs or you can get technically good centre backs. If you can find CB's who are big and strong AND good technically then that's a real bonus.
 
I'm completely baffled why this has become the most likely signing to come next.
 
Minimalist said:
I'm completely baffled why this has become the most likely signing to come next.
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Because our 4 centre backs are Bailly, Smalling, injured Jones and Lindelöf. Not really good enough. Alderweireld would be by far the better signing, he is 29, solid experience at the top level, just a quality CB. Maguire is only mentioned because of a decent world cup where he was good at set pieces.
 
"The story says that Manchester United’s hierarchy will only make the move if Mourinho sells one of Chris Smalling, Marcos Rojo or Eric Bailly, which is absolutely fair enough. We can’t quite believe that’s where £65m of United’s transfer budget is going, given the other gaps in the squad".

Uhhh, what about Jones? Just a load of bullshit.
 
haram said:
"The story says that Manchester United’s hierarchy will only make the move if Mourinho sells one of Chris Smalling, Marcos Rojo or Eric Bailly, which is absolutely fair enough. We can’t quite believe that’s where £65m of United’s transfer budget is going, given the other gaps in the squad".

Uhhh, what about Jones? Just a load of bullshit.
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The keyword here is to "sell" and generate enough funding for purchase. Other teams are getting wise.
 
If the question is "who is peak better at this stage?" then the answer is obviously Toby Alderweireld. No-one can really argue against this?

However, the above question can’t exist in a vacuum. Even us supporters like to factor in things such as age, contract expiry and likelihood of injuries.

Taking the above into account, as well as the likelihood of a 60 mill plus outlay for either one, then I’d probably go for Maguire over Alderweireld.

Sell Jones and buy Maguire now. A discount Toby at 25 mill might still be available next Summer.

If Maguire isn't up to the task then we can easily shuffle him off to Everton for a great fee anyway.

Easy business this transfer lark.;)
 
manutd7 said:
I honestly cant even believe this question is being asked. Alderweireld all day for me
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I've been onboard the Alderweireld train since the whispers started, but the price we’ll have to cough up is mugged-off ridiculous. If the rumours of us valuing Martial at almost 90 mill are true (Castles) and we end up swapping him for Alderweireld then we’re insane. Spurs hold all the cards here; pay Van Dijk money or give us Martial.

Who knows whether the Maguire interest is genuine. Maybe the recent briefing is simply United trying to put pressure on both the player (Toby) and Levy to try and reduce the fee somewhat. My stance is in my previous post. A fit Alderweireld is currently better, but if it costs us 75 mill or Martial then I'd rather buy Maguire. An initial fee somewhere between what City paid for John Stones and Aymeric Laporte isn't too outrageous (I can't believe I just typed that :lol:) for a talented but hyped Englishman.

However, if in just over two-weeks time we have signed Toby for less then 50 odd mill and kept Martial out of the deal then I'll take my hat off and say fecking great work.
 
Is it just me? Or is "Alderweireld or maguire" about the same as "Alex sandro or ryan Bertrand" ? cause to me, Harry Maguire is not an upgrade.
 
trafford1980 said:
I've been onboard the Alderweireld train since the whispers started, but the price we’ll have to cough up is mugged-off ridiculous. If the rumours of us valuing Martial at almost 90 mill are true (Castles) and we end up swapping him for Alderweireld then we’re insane. Spurs hold all the cards here; pay Van Dijk money or give us Martial.

Who knows whether the Maguire interest is genuine. Maybe the recent briefing is simply United trying to put pressure on both the player (Toby) and Levy to try and reduce the fee somewhat. My stance is in my previous post. A fit Alderweireld is currently better, but if it costs us 75 mill or Martial then I'd rather buy Maguire. An initial fee somewhere between what City paid for John Stones and Aymeric Laporte isn't too outrageous (I can't believe I just typed that :lol:) for a talented but hyped Englishman.

However, if in just over two-weeks time we have signed Toby for less then 50 odd mill and kept Martial out of the deal then I'll take my hat off and say fecking great work.
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I guess I just think the gap between Maguire and Alderweireld is much greater than most people. I think Maguire is pretty far below what we need, which is a top CB
 
Bit of an update from the Spurs (ITK) end of things, looking like Toby will now sit down with Spurs over a new contract and he may well stay. Personally I am delighted if this happens as I still think he is one of the best defenders in world football and still has 4 years left at the top.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
Alderweireld is not coming to OT. He has a dodgy injury record for 3 or the past 4 years. Mou only wants fit players.

Season .. Injury ......... Lost: days ... matches
17/18 ... Hamstring ............ 129 ..... 29
16/17.....Knee ..................... 45 ....... 9
14/15.....Hamstring, thigh ..... 56 ..... 10
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Toby was not injured for 129 days last season, see my post No. 122

He was injured for about 50 days
 
manutd7 said:
I guess I just think the gap between Maguire and Alderweireld is much greater than most people. I think Maguire is pretty far below what we need, which is a top CB
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That's fair enough, can't argue with that. I agree there's a gap but also hold the view that Maguire has the potential to turn it up a notch at an even bigger club, ala Gary Cahill.
 
We obviously don't have an unlimited transfer budget and because of that I would prioritise us spending our money on a LB and a RW first. If the Glazers are then willing to spend additional money on getting a CB too then I am all for it or if we do not get a LB and/or a RW then signing Alderweireld or Maguire is better than not signing them as they would clearly improve our defence.

As for my preference, I would prefer Alderweireld. Been a massive fan of his his he arrived in England. He is in the top 2-3 defenders in the league, maybe even the best when consistently fit. He is commanding, a good passer of the ball, chips in with a few goals, got some leadership qualities, currently plays for a good team in the Champions League where the standards are higher and his stats over the years show that Tottenham have one of the best defensive records over the past few years with him in the team, it is no coincidence.

However, Maguire is a player who I wouldn't mind either and have rated since he was at Hull. I feel having an English/British core of players is important and I currently believe we are starting to lose that. Even though we still have a few English players in the team, a lot of them are fringe players and not regular starters.

I may be wrong but from what I have seen the only clear advantage which Maguire has over Toby is that he is better in the air. You can also say he is less injury prone too and that he is 5 years younger, but I do believe we need a more experienced CB to marshal our defence as we already have a lot of CB's in their mid 20s. We would also need to get rid of 1-2 CB's or send some out on loan as we are heavily stocked in that department!
 
Maguire is just a beast in the air and has enough confidence in the ball.

Get him in.
 
I think we will sign him - we should bring in Alderweireld in Jan if we can. Then sell Jones and Rojo.



 
I'm pretty sure our scouting department must consist of a 12 year old kid and a subscription to Match magazine.
 
I'd go for Maguire. Happy with that. We'd need to sell though. I'd sell Jones and Rojo (if there were any takers of course!).

Leaves a 4 of Maguire, Bailly, Lindelof and Smalling.

Not too bad and surely Maguire and Bailly would be the first choice pairing.

We need to settle on consistent starters at CB.
 
I would rather focus on other positions but if we are truly looking for a CB, why is it restricted to these two ?
4 of our 5 CB's are right footed so a left footed CB would make more sense, both Toby & Harry are right footed.
If we are prepared to pay over £65m, are these really the best on the market for that kind of money ?

So it's neither for me.
 
Why are we valuing him at £65m? (We probably aren’t). It’s for the selling club to say what they want and us to knock them down.

I do take the view that it’s not my money, and the only thing I really care about is if the player is good enough. That seems like a seriously high figure, though, as he still has a bit to prove.
 
Prefer Alderweireld but wouldn't mind Maguire because of his ability in the air, is younger and is still very good on the ball. Can only get better, where as Toby is currently in his prime, so you could argue we need someone for the present and not for the future. Oh and Alderweireld has had a few injury issues recently and we got enough crooked defenders.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
Why are we valuing him at £65m? (We probably aren’t). It’s for the selling club to say what they want and us to knock them down.

I do take the view that it’s not my money, and the only thing I really care about is if the player is good enough. That seems like a seriously high figure, though, as he still has a bit to prove.
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According to Sky Sports, Leicester would reject a £65m bid, so it could cost us more. I am officially done :lol::lol::lol:
 
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