Alderweireld or Maguire

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Aldeweiereld will go to a European Club for about half of what we were quoted as soon as the window closes.
What club though? Maybe Bayern, if they sell Boateng, but haven't heard them being linked with him.

He is too expensive (especially on wages) for any European club not called Real, Barca, PSG, Juve and Bayern. And I think that the first four don't need a CB.
 
Alderweireld is my ideal signing and I am hoping this is just a smokescreen to get Levy to sell to us for a reasonable fee! Think this one could potentially go to the wire.

Alderweireld is exactly what we need at the back, experienced CB with PL experience, got leadership qualities, good with the ball, commanding in the air
Alderweireld is not commanding on the air. Nice defender, reads the game well and great on the ball, but when it comes to the main physical defending, he comes across as a bit passive and not very strong. Although not Lindelof lite, it wouldn't be ludicrous to say he's poor on the air. All our defenders bar Lindelof are better than him in that aspect. He'd be fine with Smalling though.
 
On a sidenote, after how Burnley fecked us over with Keane and now Leicester dicking us around with Maguire while bidding for Januzaj, I really hope we stop selling our academy players to these clubs without cheap buyback clauses and provisions for sell-on fees included.
 
On a sidenote, after how Burnley fecked us over with Keane and now Leicester dicking us around with Maguire while bidding for Januzaj, I really hope we stop selling our academy players to these clubs without cheap buyback clauses and provisions for sell-on fees included.

What are you on about? Leicester are within their rights not to sell Maguire, or get as much as they can for him - and what’s Januzaj got to do with it?

I believe we got 20/30% of the Keane transfer and have a buy back clause with Januzaj.
 
What are you on about? Leicester are within their rights not to sell Maguire, or get as much as they can for him - and what’s Januzaj got to do with it?

I believe we got 20/30% of the Keane transfer and have a buy back clause with Januzaj.

I'm saying we should benefit off our academy players after these clubs inflate their value for a season or two and sell them on and the lower level clubs should know that if they quote us inflated prices, they won't be getting any of our academy players in the future.
 
I'm saying we should benefit off our academy players after these clubs inflate their value for a season or two and sell them on and the lower level clubs should know that if they quote us inflated prices, they won't be getting any of our academy players in the future.
Januzaj and Keane don't play for us any more. We don't have any control over who signs them and any buy back clause would depend on the player wanting to come back.
 
I'm saying we should benefit off our academy players after these clubs inflate their value for a season or two and sell them on and the lower level clubs should know that if they quote us inflated prices, they won't be getting any of our academy players in the future.

We agree on the terms of any sale, no club is going to agree to buy Januzaj for £8m, with a buy back clause of £10-20m for Utd, or a punitive sell on clause. The buying club is taking a risk on a player, they should get the vast majority of the reward if they develop and earn a big transfer.

If a club then develops a player and sells them in for a profit - then fair play to them, they deserve it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...tive-football-sell-on-clauses2/michael-keane/

Utd got £7.5m from Keane’s transfer to Everton - I would say we did bloody well out of that deal.

On a sidenote, after how Burnley fecked us over with Keane and now Leicester dicking us around with Maguire while bidding for Januzaj, I really hope we stop selling our academy players to these clubs without cheap buyback clauses and provisions for sell-on fees included.

How on earth did you figure Burley “fecked us over”?
 
We agree on the terms of any sale, no club is going to agree to buy Januzaj for £8m, with a buy back clause of £10-20m for Utd, or a punitive sell on clause. The buying club is taking a risk on a player, they should get the vast majority of the reward if they develop and earn a big transfer.

If a club then develops a player and sells them in for a profit - then fair play to them, they deserve it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...tive-football-sell-on-clauses2/michael-keane/

Utd got £7.5m from Keane’s transfer to Everton - I would say we did bloody well out of that deal.



How on earth did you figure Burley “fecked us over”?

Burnley created a bidding war between everton and United when they were selling Keane, you could argue his value didn't go up for one season alone but he got to showcase himself more owing to regular playing time. Most of his development happened at United academy while Burnley profit off a good season.

Keane chose everton owing to playing time and fair play to him for that but Ferguson has been on record saying that we sell youngsters to lower league clubs on a goodwill basis but we're clearly not getting that back when we buy players from lower league clubs.

We did fairly well from the Keane transfer no doubt but we should be making those sell on and buyback clauses more regular in selling academy players. If a club doesn't agree so be it, there's plenty others to sell to considering our academy products are valued around football and we could choose to sell to the club that accepts our terms and doesn't quote us silly money when we approach them for their senior players.
 
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Burnley created a bidding war between everton and United when they were selling Keane, you could argue his value didn't go up for one season alone but he got to showcase himself more owing to regular playing time. Most of his development happened at United academy while Burnley profit off a good season.

Keane chose everton owing to playing time and fair play to him for that but Ferguson has been on record saying that we sell youngsters to lower league clubs on a goodwill basis but we're clearly not getting that back when we buy players from lower league clubs.

We did fairly well from the Keane transfer no doubt but we should be making those sell on and buyback clauses more regular in selling academy players. If a club doesn't agree so be it, there's plenty others to sell to considering our academy products are valued around football and we could choose to sell to the club that accepts our terms and doesn't quote us silly money when we approach them for their senior players.

Have you seriously written a post about how bad it was for Burnley to try and get the most money out of selling one of their assets.
 
Were we really trying to sign Keane, it it is just this poster who has decided that Burnley are cnuts for not forcing us to bid for Keane and then to sell him to us on cheap?
 
Toby would be my ideal choice for a CB. Top class player, can't see Spurs selling us to him but let's see.
 
Maguire and Alderweireld are too expensive. There are others we should be chasing instead, or better still a proper Full back.
 
Toby would be my ideal choice for a CB. Top class player, can't see Spurs selling us to him but let's see.

Typical Levy/Spurs not budging on fees. I can only hope we just pay their asking price. The ~30m difference between Mina and Toby is worth the 30+ million more for toby.
 
Have you seriously written a post about how bad it was for Burnley to try and get the most money out of selling one of their assets.

I'm sorry if I overloaded your attention span so let me make this easier for you. This is the gist of what I wrote in the final line:

we could choose to sell our youngsters to clubs that don't quote us silly money when we approach them for their senior players.
 
I'm sorry if I overloaded your attention span so let me make this easier for you. This is the gist of what I wrote in the final line:

Criticise the post (which is what I did), not the poster (which is what you did).

£30m for Keane last year, and effectively a £7.5m rebate would have been more than a fair price if we wanted to buy him. The headline transfer fee of £30m is similar to what we paid for Lindelof.

So your argument is that because we sell academy players to clubs - which of course all clubs do, vis-a-vis we should be allowed to buy any of their other players for a price below market value?
 
Can't believe we sell players we don't want anymore and then clubs don't bend over backwards to sell us players for fees that suit us. It's a disgrace, a fecking disgrace.
 
Buzzing that it 'sounds' like Alderweireld will happen this week, he's been my muppet CB signing all summer (just a shame we didn't get Sandro done as well)
 
The United inflation frustrates me no end. Another example is Rebic moving to Sevilla for €21 million, the prices quoted when we were linked was in excess of 50 million.
That was obviously just paper talk. I highly highly doubt we were ever interested in him.
 
Maguire is both the traditional English defender – no-nonsense, strong in the air and in the tackle – and the prototypical modern centre-back, good with the ball at his feet, a solid distributor, and a potent attacking threat, which he showed at the World Cup.

His per-game stats from the Premier League show why he’s being linked with a move to United. Last season, he won 62 per cent of his duels, best of all our targets. He won more tackles per 90 minutes in the league than anyone bar Yerry Mina (!)– who only played two league games for Barcelona.

Maguire also beats out our other targets (again, bar Mina in his two-game cameo) for successful take-ons (85 per cent) and his key passes per 90 statistic (0.36) is commendable as well.

Like Maguire, Alderweireld is tough-nosed defender who is also comfortable joining the attack, and provides a goal threat both in the air and with a fierce shot.

He’s good on the ball – he won 83 per cent of his take-ons and had a pass accuracy of 86 perecnt last season, and he has a penchant for playing long, raking balls over the top which players like Romelu Lukaku will love. However, he wins fewer aerial duels than most of our targets – 34 per cente last season – which Would be a problem for José.

If I had to choose one, I would choose Maguire, however I am a big admirer of both.
 
I'm under no illusion that either will wind up being a game changer for us, but it would seem MacGgwuire may be a better long term option (I reserve the right to change my mind in 5 minutes).
 
Alderweireld. He has everything going for him that we need, his age, experience and ability are exactly what our defence is lacking.

He's a great defender with the ability to lead the back line and has the belief in his own ability to bring the ball out of defence. Our biggest problem is that when we are defending we have nobody who can transition our play from defence into the midfield.
 
The United inflation frustrates me no end. Another example is Rebic moving to Sevilla for €21 million, the prices quoted when we were linked was in excess of 50 million.
Huh? That just shows you how we're used by agents and papers.
 
Maguire is both the traditional English defender – no-nonsense, strong in the air and in the tackle – and the prototypical modern centre-back, good with the ball at his feet, a solid distributor, and a potent attacking threat, which he showed at the World Cup.

His per-game stats from the Premier League show why he’s being linked with a move to United. Last season, he won 62 per cent of his duels, best of all our targets. He won more tackles per 90 minutes in the league than anyone bar Yerry Mina (!)– who only played two league games for Barcelona.

Maguire also beats out our other targets (again, bar Mina in his two-game cameo) for successful take-ons (85 per cent) and his key passes per 90 statistic (0.36) is commendable as well.

Like Maguire, Alderweireld is tough-nosed defender who is also comfortable joining the attack, and provides a goal threat both in the air and with a fierce shot.

He’s good on the ball – he won 83 per cent of his take-ons and had a pass accuracy of 86 perecnt last season, and he has a penchant for playing long, raking balls over the top which players like Romelu Lukaku will love. However, he wins fewer aerial duels than most of our targets – 34 per cente last season – which Would be a problem for José.

If I had to choose one, I would choose Maguire, however I am a big admirer of both.
Which is why I think we'll eventually get Maguire, but not yet. I think we might be prioritizing Alderwereld because he may be more attainable (he wants out, short contract left, etc).
 
Which is why I think we'll eventually get Maguire, but not yet. I think we might be prioritizing Alderwereld because he may be more attainable (he wants out, short contract left, etc).

Wouldn't it better to get Maguire now, and then get Alderwereild next season when his price drops ??
 
Talk about a merrty-go-round, the rumours keep switching between Mina, Maguire and Toby.

I'd be happy with either Toby or Maguire, tbh. While Toby is the best defender in the league on his best days, Maguire is young and appears to be good on the ball. Hope we get one of them.

A ball playing CB alone is not an adequate signing, but it would still be enough to improve our overall style of play significantly. Besides the RW and FB malaise, the lack of a good CB is also responsible for our tumescent football.
 
Wouldn't it better to get Maguire now, and then get Alderwereild next season when his price drops ??
Probably, but we may have little choice.

With that said, we may not be able to afford both right now. Once funds open up next summer we might go back in for Maguire. Or it may have been a smokescreen all along.
 
Toby next year would be cheaper, yes, but also older and people would still complain. Feel like we need an experienced world class defender, which we haven't had since Rio, right now. We already have experienced defenders who need to be upgraded and younger ones who have potential but lack (PL) experience and leadership.
 
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