Same! Getting to the stage when it's very late in the club and the beer googles are on
I hate that we're leaving things so late.
Alderweireld or Maguire
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I hate that we're leaving things so late.
Alderweireld arguably would be our most important signing of the summer if it happens,terrific defender and he has got that all important quality which we currently are lacking,leadership!
Toby plus Mina would be good. Sell any combination of our current lot.
Just playing devils advocate, is anyone else interested in either of these two ?
I don’t think we’re even interested in Mina, I think it’s all coming from his agent. The signing doesn’t make any sense from our point of view, therefore it’s probably rubbish.
I reckon we’ll sign either Toby or Maguire....probably Toby.
I reckon we’ll sign either Toby or Maguire....probably Toby.
I think we want Toby and we’re just using Maguire and Mina.
Toby would be an excellent presence alongside the likes of Bailly and Lindelof. I remember reading an interview with Vidic a few months(?) ago where he noted his regret that neither himself or Rio had had the time - largely due to fitness issues - to properly oversee the developments of the likes of Smalling, Jones and Evans.
I think this tells a lot about the natural leadership of Vidic, but he raises a good point. When you look at our CB options now, as well as lacking a viable ball playing option from the back, there's no natural leader, despite Smalling having gone through promising phases. Bailly has the potential to become one, but to get there I think he needs to develop those skills alongside someone who has them now. That's why Alderweireld has to be our number one option. We've got so much talent at the back, we'd be arguably getting several "new" players in the long term through getting him in. Lindelof, Bailly and even Jones would all improve by having a defensive partner like him.
I think this tells a lot about the natural leadership of Vidic, but he raises a good point. When you look at our CB options now, as well as lacking a viable ball playing option from the back, there's no natural leader, despite Smalling having gone through promising phases. Bailly has the potential to become one, but to get there I think he needs to develop those skills alongside someone who has them now. That's why Alderweireld has to be our number one option. We've got so much talent at the back, we'd be arguably getting several "new" players in the long term through getting him in. Lindelof, Bailly and even Jones would all improve by having a defensive partner like him.
Hopefully this.
That Damesh slap head bloke on Sky reckons Maguire and Mina are both a smokescreen for Toby.
I hope that's the case. I want a leader in defence. He other two would still be "work in progress" defenders however good of a World Cup they both had.
Bailly still needs to learn a thing or two and it's a crying shame that he hasn't had a leader next to him to give him some advice.
Bailly still needs to learn a thing or two and it's a crying shame that he hasn't had a leader next to him to give him some advice.
Bloody well hope so!!!
We desperately need a good communicator at the back. Smalling/Jones/Bailly can't do it and who knows with Lindelof.
Watching our two central defenders look like strangers playing together for the first time needs to stop.
Maguire VS Alderweireld VS Mina VS Boateng
I'd take any of them over Rojo/Jones/Lindelof
I'd take any of them over Rojo/Jones/Lindelof
Alderweireld any day.
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Maybe we will sign Toby Maguire?
Could do with some web slinging skills to stop balls at the back...
Posted this a few hours ago. @Sultan didn't allow it. Now he does. My friend has been fairly reliable. Not claiming to be itk but I'm delighted with the no Mina news.
Source on form today...
So after we thought it was almost done for Maguire, Leicester have tried to act like a bunch of cnuts in the last minute.. we're now again back for Alderweireld with Spurs willing to consider a deal with Martial, which Utd don't want... As Martial's camp tell OT, again, that they want out and they consider his treatment in the last week part of an agenda against the player.
Source update...
Ignore everything related to Mina, its his agent spouting bullshit in the paid media.. Ignore all reports/twitter etc related to him.. We don't have any interest in him
Source on form today...
So after we thought it was almost done for Maguire, Leicester have tried to act like a bunch of cnuts in the last minute.. we're now again back for Alderweireld with Spurs willing to consider a deal with Martial, which Utd don't want... As Martial's camp tell OT, again, that they want out and they consider his treatment in the last week part of an agenda against the player.
Source update...
Ignore everything related to Mina, its his agent spouting bullshit in the paid media.. Ignore all reports/twitter etc related to him.. We don't have any interest in him
Maguire
So we getting Maguire or deal off?
Alderweireld for me.
With Jose then it has to be Toby, but I'd prefer a younger player, who has plenty of room for improvement usually.
If Alderweireld can get back up to his top form then his is, at least IMO, the best CB in the Premier League and it isn't even close really, is it? Surely if any team can sign him, they should. He improves the first XI of every team in the League, not just their overall squad like someone like Maguire would. While obviously not the same level of importance, Alderweireld would strike me as more of a personality signing and statement of intent, similar to us signing van Persie when we did. It isn't comparable due to their playing positions, but I think of them as the same kind of quality. Maguire could of course turn out great and it would be time to swap out someone like Jones for him, but he could take years to be established in our first XI still and could be the difference in playing the long game or the short game. I think right now, we need a bit of a short-term plan in terms of trying to win the title back or at least more silverware. Bailly & Lindelof are still very much future prospects - everyone seems to think they're supposed to be the finished article already but they're both 24-years old. Actually younger than Maguire!
I am laughing yet at the same time hoping this is all true.
Alderweireld by miles. Maguire and Mina sound like another defenders we would be looking to replace next season or in 2020.
Maguire has 4 years left on his contract, Leicester have no wish to sell and Mourinho has just made it known he's desperate.
If I were Leicester I'd be asking for £150 million. Absolute no-brainer.
If I were Leicester I'd be asking for £150 million. Absolute no-brainer.
Not really. Nobody will pay £150m for him so it is an equivalent of them selling he’s not for sale at all. They must have their own valuation of him because everyone has their price and it should be something that can realistically be paid, even at a push.
If they don't want to sell him, which I don't think they do, then the price can be as high as they put it really. The sky's the limit. When businessmen see a desperate buyer, they will rip you off.
Why would Aldeweireld ever decide to leave Tottenham? Haven't you heard about their sublime training facilities?
Like Bailly and Lindelöf? We need a calm, experienced head in defense to take care of our younger headless chickens.
United need Alderweireld. He's capable of anchoring either a 2 or 3 man backline and his distribution out of the back is better than any CB we've had since Rio. He's very clearly the most realistic and available option on the market for us.
I'd be extremely happy with either one of the two. Both would easily improve us ... big fan of Maguire, but if I had to choose, I'd probably take Alderweireld.
Big no to Mina or Boateng for me. Don't think Mina would be an upgrade over what we have and Boateng is probably done at the highest level. Bayern being willing to sell is always a telling sign ...
Big no to Mina or Boateng for me. Don't think Mina would be an upgrade over what we have and Boateng is probably done at the highest level. Bayern being willing to sell is always a telling sign ...
Yes like them, personally I'm struggling to see why Jose just won't stick with what made him buy them, and just play them, with perfectly adequate backup should they struggle/get injured.
I've never understood this dead end that is us signing a CB when it's one of the few positions we have plenty of capable players in, Toby will just be the best of bad job if that's it for this transfer window.
Both would be good as they both have leadership qualities that we are severely lacking in CB position.
The only young CB with enough experience is Varane. Why are people wanting us to sign someone younger when we have Bailly, Lindelof and Tuanzebe. Also Maguire is not 'experienced' nor is he a leader and he isn't brilliant defensively. Just typical English overhyping. Have a player who's decent on the ball and all his defensive mishaps seem to be forgotten. He had a half decent season for Leicester and a good world cup. How does that make him the guy we need to organise our defence and to lead it. Everyone has amnesia over his defending which is average, Smalling is better in the tackle. As is Jones. Alderweireld has to be the guy. Great defensively, great on the ball and experienced. A slabhead who scored a few goals at the world cup isnt the answer.
Couldn't agree more. Why the obsession with Maguire I don't know.
No one was wanting him on here before the world cup and now typical English overhyping, as you said, means he's the best thing since baresi.
I could name 10 CBs I would rather have than him.
Gunna be very interesting to see what happens with Alderweireld.
I’m presuming Spurs are happy to sell him for £25m next summer cause otherwise you would have thought they’d have wanted a deal wrapped up early in the window to sign a replacement.
Not sure how much worth they get out of keeping him though if he clearly wants to leave. They won’t want to play him much since they’ll ideally be building and developing the team around players that’ll be available for the following seasons. So they’ll be forfeiting a higher transfer fee, paying his wages every week and having an unhappy player around the dressing room, all for someone who may not feature regularly?
If we’re interested maybe we’re trying to pressure them into accepting £40m or something. I’d like him for sure.
I’m presuming Spurs are happy to sell him for £25m next summer cause otherwise you would have thought they’d have wanted a deal wrapped up early in the window to sign a replacement.
Not sure how much worth they get out of keeping him though if he clearly wants to leave. They won’t want to play him much since they’ll ideally be building and developing the team around players that’ll be available for the following seasons. So they’ll be forfeiting a higher transfer fee, paying his wages every week and having an unhappy player around the dressing room, all for someone who may not feature regularly?
If we’re interested maybe we’re trying to pressure them into accepting £40m or something. I’d like him for sure.
Aldeweiereld will go to a European Club for about half of what we were quoted as soon as the window closes.
I wouldn't say leadership is his greatest quality but he is a superb ball playing defender.
Because when you do that with statistics, it loses conviction. Maguire is playing in a team that don't pass it out from the back, they often hoof it up for Vardy to run after.
In that scenario, it's always going to look like Maguire is some sort of chance-creating wizard. All it really does it confirm why statistics aren't a reliable measure when used out of context.
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