Sell Jones and Rojo and buy Maguire now.
Sign Alderweireld in January or next summer for free and sell Smalling. Defence sorted.
Sign Alderweireld in January or next summer for free and sell Smalling. Defence sorted.
Alderweireld or Maguire
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I'd feel more confident with Alderweireld.
We need a hired gun.
We need a hired gun.
Toby is probably at his peak as a CB & is top drawer when healthy. He is a sure thing & Maguire is a bit of a gamble.
You can't Alderweireld sign for free next summer. You might be able to sign him next summer for £25m.
I'd rather have Tobey Maguire
Nah he’s washed. His acting skills couldn’t even draw a free kick on the half line.
None, please. If we're going to break the bank, at least we should do it by a solid center back.
Alderweireld all day. Not that i think Maguire is a bad player, just that it seems we're looking for leadership and I don't know if Maguire is proven at the highest level yet.
Like who? What centre backs do you reckon we have a genuinely good chance in landing, both in terms of the club wanting to sell and the player wanting to join us, that are better than Maguire and Alderweireld, and would cost less than 65 mil?
Couldn’t get too excited over any centre back. We have already got plenty of decent ones, but it is our transitions that are the problem. When we lose the ball it is too easy for the opposition to get the ball forward quickly and expose our back line. Any new centre back won’t resolve that. That is down to coaching a system and structure.
I don't have a strong liking for either, they are both good I just feel Alderweireld would offer some organization back there and could guide Bailly or Lindelof.
Toby. I just remember the pass from deep to Hazard in the WC, and his performances for Spurs. Enough to sway it for me. Both are better than what we have imo.
I think we need one reliable solid CB for now especially with our fullback positions being poor so Toby it is.
I do rate Maguire though
I do rate Maguire though
In that case, I prefer keep what we have. I'm sorry, but I do not see how Maguire and Alderweireld can be improvements to our squad.
Maguire all day every day. No one can argue against the stats and Maguire just is better overall, not to even mention how injure prone Alderweireld is. Tho, after writing this we end up getting Yerry Mina and that's a nightmare.
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Fair enough. I personally don’t believe we can win the league with our current centre backs. Need another (and to ship one or two out). Hope I’m proved wrong!!
Unfortunatelly you'll not be proved wrong as we can check by this calamitous pre-season
I do think our center backs have enough quality to be a part of a winning squad, but I don't see the technical staff buidling up conditions for it. The manager wants the players to adjust to his view, he will not compromise with half term, and that's what makes our center backs looke worse than they actually are.
Well, we could win the league with this defence if we had a fantastic front six. We don't and there doesn't seem any possibility of major reinforcement in attack in particular since there doesn't seem to be many options out there.Unfortunatelly you'll not be proved wrong as we can check by this calamitous pre-season
I do think our center backs have enough quality to be a part of a winning squad, but I don't see the technical staff buidling up conditions for it. The manager wants the players to adjust to his view, he will not compromise with half term, and that's what makes our center backs looke worse than they actually are.
There is every chance that Alderweireld will stay at Spurs since they've signed no one. If so we can pick him up in January or buy him next summer for £25 million.
Can’t believe how much some are underrating Alderweireld here. He is easily a level above anything we have and also a level above Maguire particularly coming out of defence with the ball.
Alderweireld is permanently crocked. Missed large portions of three of the past four seasons injured. At £25m next season he may be worth a punt. At £55m this summer, we should steer well clear. I don't think Maguire is significantly better than what we've got right now, though.
Alderweireld is the finished product while Maguire is still learning but Maguire has been incredibly healthy & Toby has missed a lot of games over the last three years. If i'm looking to win this year then I take Toby but if I'm building a team for years to come then it's Harry.
That's not even true.
Let's state the facts. Last year he missed tons of games, due to a hamstring injury. That has happened once in his career. He recovered well, played some games with Spurs and the whole WC for Belgium. Poch didn't play him too much as he wants to leave. The year before he missed a grand total of 9 games. 15/16 he didn't miss a single game. 14/15 he missed 10 games, due to 2 different smaller issues. 13/14 he didn't miss a single game. 12/13 he missed 1 game.
17/18 Hamstring Injury Nov 2, 2017 Mar 11, 2018 129 days 29
16/17 Knee injury Oct 17, 2016 Dec 1, 2016 45 days 9
14/15 Hamstring Injury Jan 12, 2015 Mar 2, 2015 49 days 8
14/15 Thigh problems Sep 18, 2014 Sep 25, 2014 7 days 2
12/13 groin strain Nov 12, 2012 Nov 19, 2012 7 days 1
11/12 Strain in the thigh and gluteal muscles Jan 23, 2012 Feb 9, 2012 17 days 2
11/12 Thigh problems Dec 5, 2011 Jan 2, 2012 28 days 3
11/12 Malleolar injury Oct 3, 2011 Oct 13, 2011 10 days
I wish our defenders had his injury record.
That's not even true.
Let's state the facts. Last year he missed tons of games, due to knee injury. That has happened once in his career. He recovered well, played some games with Spurs and the whole WC for Belgium. Poch didn't play him too much as he wants to leave. The year before he missed a grand total of 9 games. 14/16 he didn't miss a single game. 14/15 he missed 10 games, due to 2 different smaller issues. 13/14 he didn't miss a single game. 12/13 he missed 1 game.
17/18 Hamstring Injury Nov 2, 2017 Mar 11, 2018 129 days 29
16/17 Knee injury Oct 17, 2016 Dec 1, 2016 45 days 9
14/15 Hamstring Injury Jan 12, 2015 Mar 2, 2015 49 days 8
14/15 Thigh problems Sep 18, 2014 Sep 25, 2014 7 days 2
12/13 groin strain Nov 12, 2012 Nov 19, 2012 7 days 1
11/12 Strain in the thigh and gluteal muscles Jan 23, 2012 Feb 9, 2012 17 days 2
11/12 Thigh problems Dec 5, 2011 Jan 2, 2012 28 days 3
11/12 Malleolar injury Oct 3, 2011 Oct 13, 2011 10 days
I wish our defenders had his injury record.
Thats a good record. I always worry about signing a player after a big injury so thats my reservation about him
Even when he recovered months ago, played every single game on the WC? People exaggerate his injury record immensely in here.
He might be better than Maguire, but the one thing he isn’t better at is coming out of defence with the ball.
Yeah id just be wary. Big injuries can recur - not a reason not to sign but enough to cause apprehension
Still think we'll get Alderweireld. He was the original number 1 target.
Maguire/Mina/Bonucci... smokescreens, my friends
Surely Levy would rather sell him this summer for, say, 45m than let him go next summer for 25m?
Could go all the way to deadline day and may or may not involve Martial.
Maguire/Mina/Bonucci... smokescreens, my friends
Surely Levy would rather sell him this summer for, say, 45m than let him go next summer for 25m?
Could go all the way to deadline day and may or may not involve Martial.
I'm indifferent on both of them to be fair.
I'd rather Koulibaly any day of the week.
I'd rather Koulibaly any day of the week.
That's not even true.
Let's state the facts. Last year he missed tons of games, due to a hamstring injury. That has happened once in his career. He recovered well, played some games with Spurs and the whole WC for Belgium. Poch didn't play him too much as he wants to leave. The year before he missed a grand total of 9 games. 15/16 he didn't miss a single game. 14/15 he missed 10 games, due to 2 different smaller issues. 13/14 he didn't miss a single game. 12/13 he missed 1 game.
17/18 Hamstring Injury Nov 2, 2017 Mar 11, 2018 129 days 29
16/17 Knee injury Oct 17, 2016 Dec 1, 2016 45 days 9
14/15 Hamstring Injury Jan 12, 2015 Mar 2, 2015 49 days 8
14/15 Thigh problems Sep 18, 2014 Sep 25, 2014 7 days 2
12/13 groin strain Nov 12, 2012 Nov 19, 2012 7 days 1
11/12 Strain in the thigh and gluteal muscles Jan 23, 2012 Feb 9, 2012 17 days 2
11/12 Thigh problems Dec 5, 2011 Jan 2, 2012 28 days 3
11/12 Malleolar injury Oct 3, 2011 Oct 13, 2011 10 days
I wish our defenders had his injury record.
Erm, all you've done is proven what I said, despite the fact you've bizarrely claimed it's not true. Two seasons in a row he missed a month and a half due to injury and last year he was out four months. 48 matches in four seasons he's missed through injury. We've already got players prone to injury and Alderweireld is another.
You have obviously never watch him then, its one of his big plus's also a very good passer of them ball.
But as I keep saying unless your offering Martial then Levy will not deal, and time is running out on that as we are now talking with Saha people
Your need for a CB is much greater than ours for a Martial/Saha type of player so if your manager is playing bluff your doing it from a very weak position and you better get a deal done with Leicester if you can, mind they will want time for a replacement so time is ticking .......
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Alderweireld, and not just because he's the better footballer. He seems more likeable. And it would be far more satisfying (and also far more unlikely) to get someone off Levy's hands
Isn't Koulibaly very similar to Baily? I'd think Alderweireld would complement him better.
He didn't miss a month and a half 2 seasons in a row, he wasn't injured in 15/16. He had 1 injury struck season, from which he recovered. The rest is pretty normal for a professional footballer. 54 games in 7 seasons, with 29 games in one season, we have done a lot worse in the past with other players. I think he's a much better player, I'd be happy to take the "risk", low as it is.
Than who?
Koulibaly is much better than Bailly, plus he's strong in the air and can pass the ball comfortably.
I just fail to see how we would benefit from Toby spraying long balls to Lukaku, when Lukaku is pretty weak in the air and we have the likes of Pogba & Fred in midfield.
How many times do I need to say this for it to sink in, last season he was injured against Madrid was out for 7 weeks then dropped as he refused to sign a new contract that he had already agreed to sign due to vVD being put on silly money by Liverpool, between Jan and March he was only allowed to play in Cup games to give Jan a rest. He then played last handful of games on Belgium's manager request to be match fit for WC. So he was not out for 4 months he was injured for 7 weeks which is the norm for a hamstring injury.
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Perfect.
If I had to choose though, I'd go for Alderweireld. He's got that experience at the top level, he's got the consistency and we need results right now. He's guaranteed (well, not quite but you know what i mean) to deliver. We have Bailly and Lindelof who are both young and very well rated defenders, i'm sure they'll grow into the role, but for the moment we need someone to deliver now - for me he's that man.
Both.
How do you rate Koulibaly, Skriniar and De Ligt?
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