Alderweireld or Maguire

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Tough call for me. Toby is possibly the best in the league, but I’m not Sure what stage of his journey he is at after last season.

Maguire could be a signing that lifts his level and is a mainstay for years like Rio. He’s also strong in the air, and we need that. With Toby, there’s also the possibility that signing him will mean we couldn’t sign an additional target due to his cost.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Maguire really impressed me in the World Cup. One of the stand out players actually. I was a fan of his last season; seems a really good player. Saying that, i would still probably go for Alderweireld. He would be a massive upgrade on Smalling and Jones. Although that's not saying much tbf.
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This.
 
Raoul said:
The same keeper who will be with us next year as well. CB is not a big priority as we've already bought there for the past two seasons.
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Heaven forbid, what if he got injured?? And he'll need a bit of rotation. We shouldn't be relying on our GK for best defensive stats. That's just asking for trouble.
 
Kleberson also stood out at a World Cup. Neither for me, but if, IF i had to pick, Alderweireld.
 
RedPed said:
Heaven forbid, what if he got injured?? And he'll need a bit of rotation. We shouldn't be relying on our GK for best defensive stats. That's just asking for trouble.
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That's why we have a great backup keeper. In any case, the mythology that our defense is crap is just that - a complete myth being fanned by transfer muppets who seem on the verge of self-immolating because the club haven't provided them with a shiny new present this summer.
 
Alderweireld is ideal given there's lots of roiom for Baily and Lindelof to develop and lets not forget about Axel, truthfully though I'd take Skrinniar over both.
 
Raoul said:
That's why we have a great backup keeper. In any case, the mythology that our defense is crap is just that - a complete myth being fanned by transfer muppets who seem on the verge of self-immolating because the club haven't provided them with a shiny new present this summer.
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I don't go along with the talk about our defense being crap. I just kinda object to the claims that they're world beaters....which they certainly ain't.
 
Of course Alderweireld. Funny how Maguire is hyped up after WC although in reality he is just a slightly better version of Jones.
 
RedPed said:
I don't go along with the talk about our defense being crap. I just kinda object to the claims that they're world beaters....which they certainly ain't.
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Oh I agree they aren't world beaters, but they are enough to get the job done. The overarching problem going in will be attack - 38 goals less than City last year. If we don't fix that then we can't expect to challenge.
 
Raoul said:
Oh I agree they aren't world beaters, but they are enough to get the job done. The overarching problem going in will be attack - 38 goals less than City last year. If we don't fix that then we can't expect to challenge.
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Agree with you on that one. It's really frustrating coz with Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial, Rashford, Lingard, we should have got more goals. Hope we sort it out this season.
 
RedPed said:
Agree with you on that one. It's really frustrating coz with Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial, Rashford, Lingard, we should have got more goals. Hope we sort it out this season.
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Alexis will be the key imo. If he knocks in 30 as he did two years ago at Arse and Lukaku contributes his 30 then we should be in business as long as the supporting cast (Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Pogba) can contribute about 10 each.
 
Raoul said:
Oh I agree they aren't world beaters, but they are enough to get the job done. The overarching problem going in will be attack - 38 goals less than City last year. If we don't fix that then we can't expect to challenge.
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And what job is that exactly?
 
I'd understand it if it was Maguire for 45m or Alderweireld for 75m, in which case it'd be neither for me. But for the same price, really?
If we can get Alderweireld for something realistic like 40m I'd be all for that. Would like to see us sell one or two centre backs though.
 
Raoul said:
Winning the league. City aren't exactly light years beyond in the CB department.
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Winning the league with Smalling and Jones. Yeah, not sure about that one. City also don't rely on their defense to the extent we do so that's not an apt comparison. Otamendi is shite, yet they still kept more clean sheets than us and conceded WAY less shots. Nothing to do with their defense. Smalling and Jones are not good enough. Baily is fine on occasion, but we need a new CB.
 
Bastian said:
I'd understand it if it was Maguire for 45m or Alderweireld for 75m, in which case it'd be neither for me. But for the same price, really?
If we can get Alderweireld for something realistic like 40m I'd be all for that. Would like to see us sell one or two centre backs though.
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Since we're dealing with Spurs, Alderweireld would unfortunately go for close to 70 than 40 imo.
 
Instead of going after either of these two, why can't we go find "the next" Maguire or Alderweireld? Leicester bought Maguire for only 18m from Hull just last year. That's when we should have pounced. Now there's talk of 50-60m for the guy? That's crazy. And Tottenham bought Alderweireld for only 11.5m in 15/16 season. What are our scouts getting paid for?
 
BusbyMalone said:
Winning the league with Smalling and Jones. Yeah, not sure about that one. City also don't rely on their defense to the extent we do so that's not an apt comparison. Otamendi is shite, yet they still kept more clean sheets than us and conceded WAY less shots. Nothing to do with their defense. Smalling and Jones are not good enough. Baily is fine on occasion, but we need a new CB.
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I see it as a matter of needing about 5 playable CBs on the roster as we are almost 100% not going to have a solid two starting CBs as we did in the Rio-Vidic era but more of a rotating group who can slide in and out of the lineup based on form and as injuries begin to come into play around Christmas.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Instead of going after either of these two, why can't we go find "the next" Maguire or Alderweireld? Leicester bought Maguire for only 18m from Hull just last year. That's when we should have pounced. Now there's talk of 50-60m for the guy? That's crazy. And Tottenham bought Alderweireld for only 11.5m in 15/16 season. What are our scouts getting paid for?
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Agreed. We should be looking at buying top young talent and developing them into the sort of players we are being linked with.
 
Raoul said:
Since we're dealing with Spurs, Alderweireld would unfortunately go for close to 70 than 40 imo.
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Yeah, maybe so. We've yet to see them do anything in the market and there was talk of them doing business early (like everyone apparently planned to do) and in order to do so, would look to sell players first to see what they'd have to play with. I still fail to see the logic in pricing him out of a move if they know that he won't sign a new deal and will leave next summer. Especially as we've seen that Poch is more willing to keep developing Sanchez and keeping Alderweireld on the bench with things as they are (and rightly so IMV). But we just don't know how much Alderweireld wants a move. That's surely the determining factor in whether they sell for something close to his MV given the context or if they feel confident he'll sign a new deal.

For anything above 50m it becomes a rather stupid move IMV which is twice what he'll cost next summer if they take the option of a year extension.

With Maguire, I just don't think he's as much of an improvement for us as I'd like. I'd rather not go for anyone unless they are top quality or super promising. For me, he's neither. Had a good tournament though.
 
Raoul said:
I see it as a matter of needing about 5 playable CBs on the roster as we are almost 100% not going to have a solid two starting CBs as we did in the Rio-Vidic era but more of a rotating group who can slide in and out of the lineup based on form and as injuries begin to come into play around Christmas.
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Sure, they can fulfil that obligation just fine. If that's the standard we're looking for at United. Whether someone can fill in and "do a job". But we're not. Or, at least, we shouldn't be. The fact that Phil Jones is still here is absurd.

The same complaints about Jones are talked about here, and in the media, ad nauseam. He’s been fecking up year after year. Granted he has spells where he’s good, but he fecks up way too often. You’re just waiting for it. And, inevitably, it comes. This is not unfortunate, but just him being poor. It's not good enough. We need a new CB in the mould of Alderweireld.

They're simply not good enough when it matters the most. They've shown it time after time.
 
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I like Maguire's aerial ability, in both boxes not just his own. It's been a long time since I've seen our defenders really attack the ball and win a lot of headers in the opposition's penalty area. He's young, confident and good on the ball as well. He still has room to improve and that's the gamble we'll have to take if we were to buy him instead of someone like Alderweireld.

It's a tough one, but I'd make an offer to Spurs first, a take it or leave it offer of £50m, which reflects his current value given his contract situation and his status in their team. I think £50m is a bit of an inflated price which they should be tempted to accept, rather than sell outside of the PL for a lot less (if they are lucky enough to find a buyer) or wait a year for even less still.
 
Either one, as long as I don't have to see Jones and his halloween mask faces at this club.
 
Not particularly impressed by either but Alderweireld is the better centre-back all-round.

Maguire is just another hyped up English player.

Don't think we need another one though unless we're finally shipping out the likes of Jones.
 
Neither at the insane prices quoted. Alderweireld easily if money is not a factor.
 
Alderweireld.

England's group and subsequent world cup run was piss easy and the media love-in was unbearably throughout, not just for Maguire whose best skill was heading balls in the opposition box but also Harry Kane who ended up as top scorer, like what the feck he scored a hattrick against Panama. Even feckin Lingard scored a worldie in that game. I'll be seeing documentaries about this shit on ITV in 20 years time knowing the truth. People won't listen. I'll be mad.
 
We’ve sold Blind so let’s also sell Jones, Rojo, Lindelof and loan out Tuanzebe then buy both Maguire and Alderweireld and that’s job done.
 
Maguire is the definition of hype, the entire point is to get an experienced leader at the back. Toby all the way, great age for some of the younger players to still come through. Maguire isn't a huge upgrade on what we have. It's about the profile of player, the last thing we need is another young overhyped English CB.
 
We have enough young and developing CBs. We need a finished product. Alderweireld it is for me. But, id not be too miffed if we would up with McGuire. Even as a foreigner, I think it's nice for United to have a couple key English nationals in the squad.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Alderweireld.

England's group and subsequent world cup run was piss easy and the media love-in was unbearably throughout, not just for Maguire whose best skill was heading balls in the opposition box but also Harry Kane who ended up as top scorer, like what the feck he scored a hattrick against Panama. Even feckin Lingard scored a worldie in that game. I'll be seeing documentaries about this shit on ITV in 20 years time knowing the truth. People won't listen. I'll be mad.
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The bitterness is real, you Scottish or something? You can only beat what’s put in front of you, England made the most of a lucky draw and got to the semi finals. If they don’t better the performance in the next 20 years then yes it will still be getting spoken of and rightly so.

The nonsense about Kane’s hat-trick or “Even feckin Lingard” scoring against Panama, if it was that easy why didn’t Lukaku get a hat trick or Hazard score against them? England played bloody well in that first half against them and were great to watch. No idea why that is so hard for people to admit.
 
JB7 said:
The bitterness is real, you Scottish or something? You can only beat what’s put in front of you, England made the most of a lucky draw and got to the semi finals. If they don’t better the performance in the next 20 years then yes it will still be getting spoken of and rightly so.

The nonsense about Kane’s hat-trick or “Even feckin Lingard” scoring against Panama, if it was that easy why didn’t Lukaku get a hat trick or Hazard score against them? England played bloody well in that first half against them and were great to watch. No idea why that is so hard for people to admit.
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So Maguire then?
 
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