2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

He could be the next best thing since slice bread but in todays social media age the republicans will maul him like they did Harris in this election.

The republicans know how to win elections and they use every trick in the book. They know how to get the message out there to stick in your mind.

And the only Dems that have effectively countered this are Newsom and Pete. Newsom rinsed De Santis in their debate. The Democrats are going to need to field their top orator to win. Maybe someone else emerges but right now that's Newsom.
Seeing these posts about Newsom is a little weird. I actually live in CA (I believe @oneniltothearsenal does as well). People here on both sides don't really like Newsom (from how he handled the pandemic to coming across as a phony douche). I guess a lot can change in 4 years, but I think he'd struggle on the national stage.

I live in Los Angeles at the moment as does Raoul I believe. Personally I haven't heard any criticism of Newsom outside the die hard conservatives that tried to recall him. Maybe its different in SF or SD?
 
Third option will never happen. If there is an attack on a NATO member and they invoke article 5 there's no viable reason for a veto from another member.
They don't have to veto it, all they have to do is not get involved, something that Trump has brought up in the past when he questioned whether he would send US troops to die in {can't remember which NATO country it was}
 
I think the Dems have learned their lessons that getting endorsements from insanely wealthy cultural elites like Oprah, Beyonce, Swift, Perry et al., only makes them look disconnected from common people struggling to make ends meet.
Yeah, the Musk-Trump working class alliance sure showed how to connect to the average man.
 
Deeply unsettling man.

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Latinos went overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton and she lost. They certainly didn't like it back then, but those rhetorics activated just enough low propensity wwc voters for Trump to sneak it with Comey's help.

The point is these post-mortem or autopsy are hardly ever correct. If there's an actual political consultant who can predict trends and come up with effective messaging strategy, certainly it would be a lightning in a bottle type of event. There's really scant evidence that whatever Dems come up with will be the correct strategy in the aftermath of this loss, their best shot is still hoping for an economic downturn that coincides with the next election and/or voters getting fed up of Trump once he's ever present in their life again (which is unlikely to happen, since he probably win reelection last time but for Covid)

I dont think they're stupid it's just that the Dems really can't win. If they say things that appease to certain demography they'll lose out other demography.

Harris tried to attack Trump it only made her lose votes.

If you want to know how latino thinks just take them out to a dinner and have a chat with few of them with open ears and dont label them as idiots or deplorable.

Politics arent some kind of secret, people have been saying why they voted X, or Y. We're just too quick to label them idiots. Well idiots or not they have exactly the same one vote
 
No, the US hasn't moved to the right. The left has just overdone it so everything that isn't woke looks "right" now.

I believe the election result is primarily because people rate the economy as bad and blame Biden's economic and immigration policies for this. But I can also see it as a bigger backlash against wokeness. For example:

 
"We need a strong America, not an America run by weak, woke cuckolds like Biden."
 
Every Democratic candidate since 92 has won California. Call it whatever wonderful English words you want to but the state's electoral influence is minimal compared to its economic size. Florida and Texas are more important. The Democrats who win elections typically have to win at least one of Florida/Texas but republicans haven't had to win California to get elected.

All the states you mentioned are already spoken for. That doesn't mean the people who live within them are insignificant and should be ignored.
 
Absolutely. You can *sort of* forgive these people for 2016 and rolling the dice against the establishment - but after witnessing everything that has come after, and culminating with J6? Get fecked, they've made their own bed.
Unfortunately the rest of us will also suffer
 
Hard to believe that, considering Donald Trump and Elon Musk are the main guys on the other side. Hell, even Tucker Carlson is one of them.
Trump, wannabe billionaire, convinced the naive Americans he's one of them and actually cares about their needs
Crazy how gullible they are
 
I believe the election result is primarily because people rate the economy as bad and blame Biden's economic and immigration policies for this. But I can also see it as a bigger backlash against wokeness. For example:



You also got a huge majority voting for bad war on drugs policies again

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It’d be hilarious if they actually managed to do this.
Honestly at this pt i want Trump/Musk/Bannon/Carlson/Steve Miller/MTG/Gaetz/Paxton and every other stain on humanity to accomplish everything they said. Go full scorched earth MAGA bc seemingly that may be the only way some people will open their eyes. Ban everything you said, deport everyone you said, take rights away and imprison everyone they said. Give free reign to every authoritarian out there they so admire, remove civil liberty protections, give guns to everyone and concentrate all the wealth even more to go full oligarchy.
 
And spending in other areas will have to be cut. Post the Cold War, UK defence spending was 5% ish of GDP, so in order to fund the UK military to those levels, we'd have to find another £40-50 billion or so per yet. That's a shocker, but we have serious choices make.

Defence spending is a great way to grow an economy providing you spend it domestically. We still have a great base with the likes of BAE, Rolls Royce and Qinetiq but we have hollowed out a great deal of our capabilities since the end of the Cold War.
Have to agree with you both. Europe's defence spending also will need to be more strategic and joined up, a challenge post-Brexit to be sure. Western Europe's welfare states were underwritten by American defence spending. That may end soon. This is a real existential issue.
 
No, the US hasn't moved to the right. The left has just overdone it so everything that isn't woke looks "right" now. I'm a child of immigrants in Germany and come from a working class family, I was always traditionally left, so were my parents in their home country. 4 years ago you can track back my posts here rooting against Trump during election night on this very forum. But somewhere in the past 5 - 10 years something strange has happened in the West where people like me, who don't buy into the idea that a dude with a penis becomes and always has been a woman, just by self-declaration, and I have to strictly follow the desired "pronounces" under threat of "hate speech crime", are now "right wing fashists". While at the same time big cities all over Europe where the left is at helm look like shit now. Ever been to Berlin? Like California or much of London and Paris these places are literally garbage now under years of left politics with oben borders all around. Every single train station is a crime hotspot nowadays in Germany, my wife can't travel to business meetings to other cities without carrying peper spray. She simply doesn't feel safe anymore alone on the streets. Then you visit Poland and everything is clean and neat and orderly, just as I remember Germany from my childhood. Guess why. At the same time the German economy is still tanking despite letting in millions of immigrants (who mostly aren't qualified at all and live from welfare) who were supposed to help with the aging population. "Cheap green energy" from solar and wind is still a big myth. After decades of promises we are still waiting. Germa economy is tanking left and right, Volkswagen is laying of thousands of people. Amazing sanctions on Russia there. Well done. We're getting the same oil and gas from Russia transported and relabeled from India for a much higher price now.

If I were the right and trying to destroy the left via Psyop I would spread these exact same Woke ideologies that clearly won't resonate with the majority of the people. Or common sense. And then places like this still scratch their heads how America votes Trump. Twice.

Where are your parents from, mate?
 
All the states you mentioned are already spoken for. That doesn't mean the people who live within them are insignificant and should be ignored.
Hardly saying they should be ignored but judging a potential democratic party candidate based on their ability to command Californian votes is a waste of time. A blind bat could be the Dem candidate and it would still win California.
 
You also got a huge majority voting for bad war on drugs policies again

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yes, the question is whether the inflation pushed people right on other issues, or if crime and the culture war is the root cause. no idea tbh.

i do think people are more online than before - everyone is online from age 5 to death - more than in 2016, and more every year. and trump/rw dominance of youtube and podcasts and facebook (far more representative than twitter) can re-make the culture organically.
 
Honestly at this pt i want Trump/Musk/Bannon/Carlson/Steve Miller/MTG/Gaetz/Paxton and every other stain on humanity to accomplish everything they said. Go full scorched earth MAGA bc seemingly that may be the only way some people will open their eyes.
I hear this sentiment, but this country has shown it's full of pigs eating whatever slop they're served by their master because that's what they're told will transform them to become the master themselves. Trump's persona represents the bullying, egotistical, evil true inner self of too many Americans - not enough eyes will open to this reality while people suffer.
 
Hardly saying they should be ignored but judging a potential democratic party candidate based on their ability to command Californian votes is a waste of time. A blind bat could be the Dem candidate and it would still win California.

That's not why Harris or Newsom or anyone else would be running, just as Ted Cruz didn't run in 16 because he could deliver Texas or DeSantis' run last year because he could deliver Florida. These guys are running on a national platform. In Newsom's case, he is effectively the CEO of the fifth biggest economy in the world, which is something no other Presidential candidate can come close to in terms of the scope of his previous job when applying for the biggest job in the land.
 

Dems using too many rich celebrities criticism...hold up let's use the people with even (way) more money to resonate with people and that somehow sticks. Musk, sports team owners, investment bankers, oligarchy and Middle Eastern royalty - even Bezos now a grifter. Some of them alone holding more wealth than the next 10 or more people in the entertainment industry combined. But yes let's pretend the Dems cozy up too much to wealthy people.

Fight the deep state ammirite?
 
yes, the question is whether the inflation pushed people right on other issues, or if crime and the culture war is the root cause. no idea tbh.

i do think people are more online than before - everyone is online from age 5 to death - more than in 2016, and more every year. and trump/rw dominance of youtube and podcasts and facebook (far more representative than twitter) can re-make the culture organically.

Before the election I would have said the former but after seeing these results and reading some comments online, I think its all of the above and it relates to your second point. Everyone is online now (unlike 2016) and the right dominates social media channels so the level of discussion gets dominated by:

"Nelson Mandela was a convicted felon, Trump is in good company"
"Trump is for peace, Kamala is for war"
"Trump is for LGBT rights more than the Democrats, he just wants to protect minors from being forced to transition"
"Trump didn't take a salary his first term, he's for us."
"Biden/Kamala are paying for votes from illegals."

I could go on but everyone gets the point. It's going to take a lot to build a digital ecosystem to counter what the right have been working toward for years when the Dems are so focused on precious polls and frankly live in a bubble. They are too busy fighting the elections of the last century and have a lot of catching up to do. The pandemic and Trump's mistakes there gave them a reprieve and they didn't learn their lessons.
 
This must be the most successful brain washing operation of all time.
How in the name of Eric Cantona can ordinary people vote for Trump?
I heard an Irish woman talking on the Joe Duffy show today. She said she was a successful business woman living in South Carolina and was delighted to have voted for Trump and delighted that he won.
She has been in the USA for 29 years. She said she was in Ireland recently and could believe all the anti Trump opinion she got. She said we have been victims of anti Trump propaganda. She said we need to wake up as our own county is being subjected to plantation right now.
Mind bending stuff.
 
Shapiro and Newsom are the obvious two imo. Watch out for Gallego after his showing in AZ. That could be a route the Dems go to win back latino voters. Whitmer is another possibility but I can't see Dems going woman candidate again. She's probably a good guess for VP like Harris in 2020. My dark horse for 2028 is Mark Kelly.

Newson would be terrible candidate. MAGA would easily fear monger with California as an example.

Good communicator but being a Californian governor doesn't help.
 
Dems using too many rich celebrities criticism...hold up let's use the people with even (way) more money to resonate with people and that somehow sticks. Musk, sports team owners, investment bankers, oligarchy and Middle Eastern royalty - even Bezos now a grifter. Some of them alone holding more wealth than the next 10 or more people in the entertainment industry combined. But yes let's pretend the Dems cozy up too much to wealthy people.

Fight the deep state ammirite?

Believe it or not, these optics matter much more to the left-leaning voters than the conservatives.
 
Newson would be terrible candidate. MAGA would easily fear monger with California as an example.

Good communicator but being a Californian governor doesn't help.

The Dems shouldn't be concerned about MAGA fear mongering. They should spend the next four years preparing their best candidate and platform and go on a full on attack to reclaim seats in the mid terms and then organize for a proper campaign beginning in 2027.