2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

The United said:
So basically, would this shut up so called leftist or liberal groups that want the Dems to go further left?
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No, what it means is the so-called leftist or liberal groups need to have a more clear vision that they can promote.

Try and explain any of Harris's policies to me, I'll wait.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
That's because progressive and liberal people don't spend their time online watching and listening to stupid shit all day and hence why there's a huge disparity on the number of left wing and right wing channels available. I think 4 out of the top 5 podcasts are right wing if I'm not mistaken. Like who has time and patience to listen to a podcast. Don't people read books anymore?
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Which is why the guy in the Tweet was correct. If you're not engaging with people through these channels then you're not going to win votes. The right has been winning the battle in the social media age with ease.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Personally I haven't heard any criticism of Newsom outside the die hard conservatives that tried to recall him. Maybe its different in SF or SD?
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There was an article couple months ago which said Newsom approval rating in Cali is at record low and 6 of 10 people in the state believe they are trending in wrong direction.

Will try to find and link.
 
Redplane said:
Honestly at this pt i want Trump/Musk/Bannon/Carlson/Steve Miller/MTG/Gaetz/Paxton and every other stain on humanity to accomplish everything they said. Go full scorched earth MAGA bc seemingly that may be the only way some people will open their eyes. Ban everything you said, deport everyone you said, take rights away and imprison everyone they said. Give free reign to every authoritarian out there they so admire, remove civil liberty protections, give guns to everyone and concentrate all the wealth even more to go full oligarchy.
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There’d be an insurrection as soon as the porn got banned.
 
maniak said:
You mean like Biden and Harris did?
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How anyone thinks there's a difference between the two parties on Gaza is beyond me.

Trump and Biden would gleefully give them weapons while the best one could expect from Harris is that she'd transfer the same weapons with a stern expression.
 
Raoul said:
The Dems shouldn't be concerned about MAGA fear mongering. They should spend the next four years preparing their best candidate and platform and go on a full on attack to reclaim seats in the mid terms and then organize for a proper campaign beginning in 2027.
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I'd hope so but shouldn't that have happened after 2016?
 
Republican primary voters got slandered here as cultists who live in a fantasy land and are detached from reality. Turns out they have a better grasp of the broader American electorate than liberals.
 
maniak said:
You mean like Biden and Harris did?
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Trump quotes:
"When I become president, the days of treating Israel like a second-class citizen will end on day one."

"It is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel."

"A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote to obliterate Israel – that’s what’s going to happen. Israel will not exist in two years."
 
Jericholyte2 said:
No, what it means is the so-called leftist or liberal groups need to have a more clear vision that they can promote.

Try and explain any of Harris's policies to me, I'll wait.
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What are their more clear visions really? Mostly people (voters) there seem to think that those visions/policies involves more tax, regulations, etc. which both blue collars and billionaires hate.
 
Raoul said:
The Dems shouldn't be concerned about MAGA fear mongering. They should spend the next four years preparing their best candidate and platform and go on a full on attack to reclaim seats in the mid terms and then organize for a proper campaign beginning in 2027.
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Agreed. But they would need a new hard hitting leader to fight the MAGA machine. After seeing what happened yesterday, I doubt even Obama does well in this new political climate.

Diplomacy and political correctness won't cut it as communication strategy any longer. MAGA has shifted this.

Dems may also need to rebrand and disavow the hard left 'woke' completely.

Funnily, I feel a young Biden would have actually stood a chance. He was very aggressive communicator in his younger days.

The pandemic definitely put the Dems at a major disadvantage though.

In hindsight, it would have been better had Trump won 2020 instead of now. I doubt he would have been able to control inflation. But, we would had a lot more dead folks though.
 
Redplane said:
Trump quotes:
"When I become president, the days of treating Israel like a second-class citizen will end on day one."

"It is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel."

"A vote for Kamala Harris is a vote to obliterate Israel – that’s what’s going to happen. Israel will not exist in two years."
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You probably shouldn't look up Biden's quotes then.
 
The United said:
What are their more clear visions really? Mostly people (voters) there seem to think that those visions/policies involves more tax, regulations, etc. which both blue collars and billionaires hate.
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There are some obvious ones they could go for. Free healthcare, education and proper gun control. The problem is the American public don't seem genuinely invested in any of that.
 
Raoul said:
Trump has bamboozled these people into believing he would be an improvement over the past four years, when he simply wanted their votes, and as with every other group he's used over the past 40 years, he will forget about them and do whatever he wants.
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Arab voters are probably used to being swindled by someone who wanted their votes and promptly forgot about them to do whatever he wanted: they voted for Joe Biden.
 
Twisted_Woody said:
I'd hope so but shouldn't that have happened after 2016?
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With 2016 and Hilary losing the EC by a smidge but winning the popular vote, it was probably easier to pretend she was just a bad candidate or it was a fluke.

With the results from last night, it is more obvious that this time seems to be a shift to the right and repudiation of "liberalism", therefore the Dems need to actually restructure.

I think that means a shift to the right and I have zero faith that this leads to more progressivism (unless the Trump presidency fails spectacularly), but we'll see.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There are some obvious ones they could go for. Free healthcare, education and proper gun control. The problem is the American public don't seem genuinely invested in any of that.
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Yup. And like I said, they think they will have to pay more tax or more regulations about their freedoms and shit. They are not exactly winning strategies for Dems right now or for a while.
 
Raoul said:
The Dems shouldn't be concerned about MAGA fear mongering. They should spend the next four years preparing their best candidate and platform and go on a full on attack to reclaim seats in the mid terms and then organize for a proper campaign beginning in 2027.
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Honestly dare I say, use the Trump playbook and spend the next four years holding rallies and campaigning.
 
Redplane said:
Fine ill play along. Biden bad, Trump *plugs ears* good.
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Calm down.

All I'm saying is that on this one issue, there's no difference between the parties. US is Israel's best friend (i'd prefer to use a different b-word here, though).
 
It appears Nate Silver's model wasn't a Peter Thiel funded pro-right wing crypto-fueled trojan horse driven by a glut of trash right wing polls after all.

As with previous cycles, Silver consistently understated Trump's strength overall and although his numbers are tightening up, he still can't seem to get the balance right between polls and people who actually wind up voting.

At least he has finally shut Alan Lichtmann up for a few years.


Nate Silver v Actual Results.

Arizona: (63% reporting)
Silver - Trump +2.4
Actual - Trump +5

Wisconsin:
Silver - Harris +1
Actual - Trump + 0.9

Michigan:
Silver: Harris +1.2
Actual: Trump +2.0

Pennsylvania:
Silver: Trump + 0.1
Actual: Trump + 3

North Carolina:
Silver: Trump + 1.1
Actual: Trump + 3

Georgia:
Silver: Trump +1
Actual: Trump + 2

Nevada:
Silver: Trump + 0.6
Actual: Trump + 4
 
Frosty said:
Western Europe's welfare states were underwritten by American defence spending. That may end soon. This is a real existential issue.
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Indeed, and it will likely become the thing that quite possibly blows Starmer 'off course', beyond 2029; his commons majority will have to work wonders before then.
 
Just realized they may get to pick three Supreme Court Justices during this cycle. Alito and Thomas will surely retire, perhaps Sotomayor as well. Install three 40-somethings as judges (Aileen Cannon?), and you’re set with a conservative advantage of 7-2 for possibly decades to come.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Before the election I would have said the former but after seeing these results and reading some comments online, I think its all of the above and it relates to your second point. Everyone is online now (unlike 2016) and the right dominates social media channels so the level of discussion gets dominated by:

"Nelson Mandela was a convicted felon, Trump is in good company"
"Trump is for peace, Kamala is for war"
"Trump is for LGBT rights more than the Democrats, he just wants to protect minors from being forced to transition"
"Trump didn't take a salary his first term, he's for us."
"Biden/Kamala are paying for votes from illegals."

I could go on but everyone gets the point. It's going to take a lot to build a digital ecosystem to counter what the right have been working toward for years when the Dems are so focused on precious polls and frankly live in a bubble. They are too busy fighting the elections of the last century and have a lot of catching up to do. The pandemic and Trump's mistakes there gave them a reprieve and they didn't learn their lessons.
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