Yep it's time for many americans to realize a big part of their fellow citizens want authoritarianism, they're not just poor fools who fell for lies, they actively want it.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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I agree about the move to the right, but i disagree that it's just the message that has to be communicated better. The central-left is failing worldwide because its leadership is completely disconnected from its traditional base. I fully agree with Pogue's posts a few pages back. I also just read this on Politico. The Dems could sure use this kind of reflection:
https://www.politico.eu/article/dem...p-forgetting-working-class-left-wing-parties/
I'm in California and I have major concerns about him. He certainly has not done enough to warrant a nom
Seeing these posts about Newsom is a little weird. I actually live in CA (I believe @oneniltothearsenal does as well). People here on both sides don't really like Newsom (from how he handled the pandemic to coming across as a phony douche). I guess a lot can change in 4 years, but I think he'd struggle on the national stage.
You say that, but they lost the previous one. "The Republicans know how to win elections" thing isn't really true just because they've won this one against a very bad candidate under very bad circumstances (an even worse candidate refusing to step down until it was way too late).
Missouri tried it but didn't ultimately get it thru
That's cool and all but on election day, California is only 54 votes. Plain and simple. It could be the second biggest economy on the planet and it still would not matter.A commonly parroted fallacy. California is the 5th biggest economy in the world and a critical component of the US economy. To glibly sneer at this fundamental reality is simply politically counterproductive.
Further, the yellow bits (counties) of the below map account for over 50% of America's population. Most Americans live in coastal or border states and most of the middle of the country is largely uninhabited.
Newsom's creepy as feck.
65+ & white college women only groups that Harris gained upon since 2020?
So when’s the Purge?
Yes because he's presented himself as the man of the people and his base don't question it, and he doesn't have to answer because he has no accountability or integrity. He can just change the conversation with some insults and without answering and people just carry on.
On the other hand the Democrats are required to have accountability and integrity and won't let themselves fall to the Dons level.
I think he's right. I constantly get bombarded by right wing influencers on the YouTube algorithm, and I don't watch the fecking videos but still get them recommended. Barely see any 'progressive' channels recommended to me.
The Dems best hope is that Trump brings the country to it's knees by 2028 and they beg for them to come back. Otherwise, I don't see a single Dem politician being inspiring enough to beat a MAGA candidate right now.
Those do sound like the sorta groups who might be susceptible to the Cheney parade.
54 is one fifth of the required EVs to win the presidency, so to claim they don't matter is politically bonkers.
He'll be dead by then
Whether Kamala wasn't a great candidate or not in many ways completely distracts from the issue to me: that the majority of people would rather vote for someone who is so inhumane on so many different levels and has an army of people following him that arguably think even less of the very foundations of democracy and human decency and attack it from every angle should have meant a fkin bunny should have defeated him.
Focusing all the attention on how poor a candidate Kamala completely distracts from the other candidate having a lengthy track record that should have disqualified him ever holding public office ever again. As far as I'm concerned anyone who keeps saying the Dems or Kamala this or that is giving a pass to the other side for taking a piss on democracy every time he opens his mouth.
Given the male vote and misogyny Harris losing simply comes down to gender - period. Had the Dems run a male candidate we would have probably seen the same as with Biden. That alone is damning for a society but at least it's about the only element I can wrap my head around knowing what a testosterone driven country we live in.
Focusing all the attention on how poor a candidate Kamala completely distracts from the other candidate having a lengthy track record that should have disqualified him ever holding public office ever again. As far as I'm concerned anyone who keeps saying the Dems or Kamala this or that is giving a pass to the other side for taking a piss on democracy every time he opens his mouth.
Given the male vote and misogyny Harris losing simply comes down to gender - period. Had the Dems run a male candidate we would have probably seen the same as with Biden. That alone is damning for a society but at least it's about the only element I can wrap my head around knowing what a testosterone driven country we live in.
Hopefully
The way things are going for the dems it would be Michelle Obama, running on a platform of vibes and Taylor Swift.
US exit polls notoriously bad and unreliable, many disagree with each other. For example, one has Trump +13 with men 18-29, the other has Harris +6.
I think Gallup or Pew comes out with something after a few months that is supposed to be trusted. And before that, there will be people doing vote total analysis based on constituency demographics (real data), which will be closer to the truth.
It appears Trump has reversed the saying to Bullshit talks - Money Walks
This is gonna bring the minorities’ vote back.
Then the new Dem strategy should be to trick people by running on policies that'll hurt them and after getting elected, betray them by switching to policies that'll help them.
There you go. The outcome eras inevitable. It's all United's fault.
She didn't actually base anything on race or gender actually. That was barely in the messaging.
Project 2025 wants to ban porn, with this SC they might be able to do it.
I think the Dems have learned their lessons that getting endorsements from insanely wealthy cultural elites like Oprah, Beyonce, Swift, Perry et al., only makes them look disconnected from common people struggling to make ends meet.
Well Trump will watch Palestine burn down in flames with a smile on his face so congrats guys.
This I can understand.
I guess I don't see how much this narrative is getting forced on people. I actively avoid twitter and facebook.
Yeah. Harris was the only logical choice at the time. A primary would have cut into the actual campaigning. It would have been even worse if he'd managed to stay on the ballot.
The pandemic helped Trump lose last election, people went out to vote in droves because they were worried.
He increased his vote share and will have probably kept it pretty much the same and as I said in my first post unless he fecks up again really badly someone from California will have a tough time beating him.
Social media matters. It can swing elections in this interconnected world without checks and balances.
That's because progressive and liberal people don't spend their time online watching and listening to stupid shit all day and hence why there's a huge disparity on the number of left wing and right wing channels available. I think 4 out of the top 5 podcasts are right wing if I'm not mistaken. Like who has time and patience to listen to a podcast. Don't people read books anymore?
No they haven't, just wait 4 years, they can't help themselves.
Jesus. Engagement on Elon’s Twitter will nosedive.
Why silence from Harris campaign? no statement since yesterday,
My sentiments exactly. Economic positions, social positions and international positions count for nada. American elections are just performative arts now. Same old same old.
Every Democratic candidate since 92 has won California. Call it whatever wonderful English words you want to but the state's electoral influence is minimal compared to its economic size. Florida and Texas are more important. The Democrats who win elections typically have to win at least one of Florida/Texas but republicans haven't had to win California to get elected.
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Hard to believe that, considering Donald Trump and Elon Musk are the main guys on the other side. Hell, even Tucker Carlson is one of them.