2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

misandry and misogyny is increasingly rampant at a time we are trying to figure out what it even means to be a man or a woman in society.

To elaborate on this while women have largely been liberated from gender roles men are still mostly valued for their ability to generate money, stuck in the traditional role of protector or provider. So when economic problems start destroying peoples ability to make a living and support a spouse it falls heaviest on men. They feel like failures, and many women resent their partners because of their inability to generate sufficient income.

This means that for men, all other political issues are subservient to economics. Women aren't in the same pickle as they have innate value to society and aren't judged by what they can produce, so they care about more specific issues like abortion. What this means is that as the interest of men and women diverge that stratification is seen in partisan alliances. It's actually ironic then that woman are largely driving this rightward shift, as they want financially stable partners where men must compete for female approval.

In an economy where good jobs are more and more competitive, and basics such as shelter and food are unaffordable for more than half of Americans, it forces men to use politics to achieve their economic aims. Taken to its logical conclusion if the political avenue fails to remedy the situation force becomes the only viable solution, this is how revolutions start unfortunately - large groups of disaffected, impoverished and desperate men with no hope for the future and nothing to lose tend to gamble with their lives for a potentially better tomorrow.
 
You're spot on, someone posting something dumb in the discussion thread of a Star Wars TV show is much more dangerous and confrontational rhetoric than a Presidential candidate calling his opponents enemies of the people and accusing immigrants of poisoning the blood of the country.
The problem is that loads of people are in fact more bothered by the former than the latter, and I don't really see how to change their minds.
 
Create a policy platform and run a good communicator of it so they don't wind up in the top right quadrant again. Something closer to where Clinton (Bill that is) ran on in 92 and 96.

Do the stuff from 30 years ago again is precisely how Gen X are going to absolutely feck the world like the Boomers. People don’t want this Fukuyama stuff. Figure out what would work now.
 
The problem is that loads of people are in fact more bothered by the former than the latter, and I don't really see how to change their minds.
You can't.

feck, if nothing else I can confidently say that this election convinced me of one thing: if people can't be bothered to vote for what's in their own best interest, why the feck would we ever think we can convince them to vote for whats in the interest of someone else?
 
You're spot on, someone posting something dumb in the discussion thread of a Star Wars TV show is much more dangerous and confrontational rhetoric than a Presidential candidate calling his opponents enemies of the people and accusing immigrants of poisoning the blood of the country.

I don't care for stupidity, it's acceptance of posting such insulting claims that seem perfectly fine. you can accept and normalize pretty much everything that way, Trump's insults as well.

call me racist or rapist or whatever in RL because of xy opinion and we're having a different discussion.
 
To elaborate on this while women have largely been liberated from gender roles men are still mostly valued for their ability to generate money, stuck in the traditional role of protector or provider. So when economic problems start destroying peoples ability to make a living and support a spouse it falls heaviest on men. They feel like failures, and many women resent their partners because of their inability to generate sufficient income.

This means that for men, all other political issues are subservient to economics. Women aren't in the same pickle as they have innate value to society and aren't judged by what they can produce, so they care about more specific issues like abortion. What this means is that as the interest of men and women diverge that stratification is seen in partisan alliances. It's actually ironic then that woman are largely driving this rightward shift, as they want financially stable partners where men must compete for female approval.

In an economy where good jobs are more and more competitive, and basics such as shelter and food are unaffordable for more than half of Americans, it forces men to use politics to achieve their economic aims. Taken to its logical conclusion if the political avenue fails to remedy the situation force becomes the only viable solution, this is how revolutions start unfortunately - large groups of disaffected, impoverished and desperate men with no hope for the future and nothing to lose tend to gamble with their lives for a potentially better tomorrow.

What? That makes no sense.

Firstly if economics was "subservient to all other political issues" Trump's tariffs plan should have been a non-starter and Kamala's child tax credit, cutting the costs of childcare, regulation on rental prices, a free 25k new homeowner grant and ban on price gouging on groceries would have been gold. Truth is most men had no fecking clue what Kamala was running on because they didn't care enough to read about it. Tax breaks for the wealthy coupled with a 20-60% tariff - which is essentially a tax put on the consumer - does in no way help men "be providers".

But I guess a 50k grant for costs connected with starting up a new business, raising the minimum wage, limiting automation and providing a full tax exemption on all capital gains for households making less than 100k a year could never compete with tariffs a lower company tax rate and cutting existing regulation on rental prices and piece gouging.

People have no idea what they voted for do they?
 
Do the stuff from 30 years ago again is precisely how Gen X are going to absolutely feck the world like the Boomers. People don’t want this Fukuyama stuff. Figure out what would work now.

Clinton isn't Fukuyama. The former successfully tapped into blue collar sentiment to win the presidency and proceeded to have two very successful terms in office. That's the template that Dems need to emulate - an economic message conveyed by a solid messenger. The Gen Xers who elected Trump this week would've responded to that over a weak Hillary/Harris style policy wonk approach that will always fail.
 

There’s been some very strange things going on with the Harris campaign
Super PACs supporting Harris have raised at least $195.8 million from dark money groups this election cycle, while those backing Trump have raised at least $23.2 million, according to a Sludge analysis of Federal Election Commission data.

These dark money groups are organized as either social welfare groups or trade associations, both forms of nonprofits that are not required by the Internal Revenue Service to disclose their donors.

https://readsludge.com/2024/10/23/harris-backed-by-9-6x-more-dark-money-than-trump/
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You can't.

feck, if nothing else I can confidently say that this election convinced me of one thing: if people can't be bothered to vote for what's in their own best interest, why the feck would we ever think we can convince them to vote for whats in the interest of someone else?
who on earth are you to confidently (or otherwise) decide what’s in the best interests of anybody else.

What you should have said is, how dare 73.5 million people have a different opinion to me
 
black and hispanic men*

In case people haven't noticed we are in the midst of a gender war, especially among the youth misandry and misogyny is increasingly rampant at a time we are trying to figure out what it even means to be a man or a woman in society.

Seriously if you spend any amount of time at all on the internet you shouldn't be shocked men flocked to the republicans its far more important than race, like why on earth would a man vote for a party that at best ignores you and at worst will demonize you? Case in point the "Men for Harris" ad, there was never a point that they talked about male issues, it was only ever about men caring about womens issues, which just isn't realistic.



Video, some swearing.


It isn't a gender war at all imo since plenty of the opposite genders voted for both candidates. The foundational reality is simply that culturally, the US is still a masculinized country that is predisposed to voting for a patriarchal figure. That may change in the future, but the Dems are staring down the barrel of consistently losing big elections unless they adjust their message and messenger.
 
Clinton isn't Fukuyama. The former successfully tapped into blue collar sentiment to win the presidency and proceeded to have two very successful terms in office. That's the template that Dems need to emulate - an economic message conveyed by a solid messenger. The Gen Xers who elected Trump this week would've responded to that over a weak Hillary/Harris style policy wonk approach that will always fail.

Not sure Clinton himself in 92 is a good model. He got lucky and won in a 3 way race where the front runner, Perot, dropped out when he was leading in all the polls. Obama is a much better model for 2028-2032 Dems than 1992 Clinton, although a 2028 coalition would very likely be closer to Slick Willy in 92 on that four quadrant chart than Obama if that is all you meant.
 
Not sure Clinton himself in 92 is a good model. He got lucky and won in a 3 way race where the front runner, Perot, dropped out when he was leading in all the polls. Obama is a much better model for 2028-2032 Dems than 1992 Clinton, although a 2028 coalition would very likely be closer to Slick Willy in 92 on that four quadrant chart than Obama if that is all you meant.

I agree he got a bit lucky given the 3 way dynamics of 92 (how would the race have gone down had Perot never dropped out the first time?), but overall, Clinton's "its the economy stupid" messaging was spot on and hit the bullseye with the public. His demeanor of being a guy from a small town in Arkansas who spoke in relatable terms and was culturally came across as an average guy (Arsenio sax appearance etc) suggests that politically, he was the right guy at the right time, and I think his reelection affirms that especially given he's the last president to balance the budget, four times no less.
 
black and hispanic men*

In case people haven't noticed we are in the midst of a gender war, especially among the youth misandry and misogyny is increasingly rampant at a time we are trying to figure out what it even means to be a man or a woman in society.

Seriously if you spend any amount of time at all on the internet you shouldn't be shocked men flocked to the republicans its far more important than race, like why on earth would a man vote for a party that at best ignores you and at worst will demonize you? Case in point the "Men for Harris" ad, there was never a point that they talked about male issues, it was only ever about men caring about womens issues, which just isn't realistic.



Video, some swearing.


This must be the first time anyone has posted an Asmongold video in the CE. Ideally it'll be the last time too. Vile person - and I'm not just talking about his nose blood wall.
 
I think there's a lot of overanalyzing happening when the explanation for Trump's win is pretty simple. It lies largely in American culture, which for all its great features just fetishes masculinity and capitalism above all. (I mean the national obsessions are guns and the NFL, a frankly stupid, violent sport that even the liberals love). Trump represents both masculinity and capitalism so a female candidate really had to be amazing to overcome those factors--and Harris definitely wasn't amazing.
 
who on earth are you to confidently (or otherwise) decide what’s in the best interests of anybody else.

What you should have said is, how dare 73.5 million people have a different opinion to me

Except that's not what I said, but since you are so confident you know what I am thinking I really don't see the point in replying beyond that.
 
What? That makes no sense.

Firstly if economics was "subservient to all other political issues" Trump's tariffs plan should have been a non-starter and Kamala's child tax credit, cutting the costs of childcare, regulation on rental prices, a free 25k new homeowner grant and ban on price gouging on groceries would have been gold. Truth is most men had no fecking clue what Kamala was running on because they didn't care enough to read about it. Tax breaks for the wealthy coupled with a 20-60% tariff - which is essentially a tax put on the consumer - does in no way help men "be providers".

But I guess a 50k grant for costs connected with starting up a new business, raising the minimum wage, limiting automation and providing a full tax exemption on all capital gains for households making less than 100k a year could never compete with tariffs a lower company tax rate and cutting existing regulation on rental prices and piece gouging.

People have no idea what they voted for do they?
When people say the economy is the most imprtant thing, they don't mean complex policies like that: they mean how they feel about the economy, about cost of living, about their own financial situation.
 
A country as uneducated as the USA so ripe for fascism that I'm just shocked it hasn't happened before now.
 
The dumb is on another level.

Trump is absolutely right on this. Can’t believe anybody would think otherwise. It’s lunacy
Except for the fact he s leaving out the rates of gender affirming care skyrocketed during his very own first term. The vast majority of them is also not performed on minors. That's not to say I don't disagree these surgeries shouldn't be stopped on minors - but once again they re making a mountain out of a mole hill. And someone should ask him why he didn't stop the record numbers during his presidency before.
 
Trump is absolutely right on this. Can’t believe anybody would think otherwise. It’s lunacy
Yeah, I used to love wearing dresses and lipstick as a kid. I don't think for one moment my mum ever tought hes a girl trapped.

My son tought he was a velociraptor for a year or so, once watched him lick a bunny hutch in pets at home. He's a strange kid still.
 
Except for the fact he s leaving out the rates of gender affirming care skyrocketed during his very own first term. The vast majority of them is also not performed on minors. That's not to say I don't disagree these surgeries shouldn't be stopped on minors - but once again they re making a mountain out of a mole hill. And someone should ask him why he didn't stop the record numbers during his presidency before.

from mole hills great mountains grow. It matters to people and it matters to parents. You can disagree if you like but I think you’re in denial about it. Open goal for Trump
 
You think that's going to improve or escalate now?

Somewhere between 50,000-150,000+ killed...food, water and medical aid being restricted, hardly any sanitation, the situation is already beyond fecked right now. Do I think it will get worse? Well yes with Biden still in power for another couple of months, it will definitely get worse, and that opinion is based on factual history from the past year.

How will Trump do, probably the same...unless he approves a Nuke, or allows the Zionists to do the same in the West Bank, I'm not sure what worse can happen than what is currently happening.
 
Inflation, border, trans issues at the top of the list. Israel, Gaza near the bottom.


According to this poll, being perceived as "pro-Palestine" was not important at all.

Looks like they didn't have to support all that mass murder because their hands were tied, after all. Oh well!
 
According to this poll, being perceived as "pro-Palestine" was not important at all.

Looks like they didn't have to support all that mass murder because their hands were tied, after all. Oh well!
Either way that wasn't her call. Otherwise I agree, they (Biden/handlers) should have told Bibi to do one, publicly.
 
According to this poll, being perceived as "pro-Palestine" was not important at all.

Looks like they didn't have to support all that mass murder because their hands were tied, after all. Oh well!
Not reading it the same way. Look at how low being too Pro Israel is as well. Most voters just dont give af about that conflict compared to everything else which to me also says there is very little reason for Trump to make things any better. Or for the current admin for that matter. America cares about America. Everything else is secondary.
 
Not reading it the same way. Look at how low being too Pro Israel is as well. Most voters just dont give af about that conflict compared to everything else which to me also says there is very little reason for Trump to make things any better. Or for the current admin for that matter.
I'm mostly joking. I don't really buy this poll result.