Why does Trump always mention “The Late Great Hannibal Lecter”? Is there some hidden meaning?
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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He is almost certainly conflating the kind of asylum Hannibal Lecter was kept in with asylum seekers. Why he thinks he is dead, I couldn’t tell you.
Coach finally made the big time (just a little levity)...
So bottomline:
Kelly's Pro: (likely) Delivers Arizona.
Kelly's Con: (likely) Loses Nevada (union issues).
Walz's Pro: no evident weaknesses.
Walz's Con: no evident strengths either.
Shapiro's Pro: (likely) Delivers Pennsylvania.
Shapiro's Con: (likely) Loses close races where palestinian/arab votes are a factor (Michigan?).
That's about it?
Kelly's Pro: (likely) Delivers Arizona.
Kelly's Con: (likely) Loses Nevada (union issues).
Walz's Pro: no evident weaknesses.
Walz's Con: no evident strengths either.
Shapiro's Pro: (likely) Delivers Pennsylvania.
Shapiro's Con: (likely) Loses close races where palestinian/arab votes are a factor (Michigan?).
That's about it?
I feel like actual polls or models are way more interesting than betting odds.
It's all looked like they're picking Shapiro to me, not sure why punters are so split.
You want polling on who the public thinks the VP pick will be?
Other betting/odds sites have given Walz a small lead. Probably because they saw a caravan of black SUVs just leave his house (pretty normal for secret service details).
No, but I'd take polling on who the public want the pick to be in a pinch. That a betting market has one candidate at 53% and the other at 47% means nothing.
What is polymarket ?
Sure, it's not exactly to be taken seriously but I do prefer it to all that 538 style nonsense that people seem to love. Actual polls are certainly far better though, for all their flaws, I agree.
It's just an online betting market, I assumed?
It was a joke. The whole polymarket thing has become a bit of a meme in this thread.
It's like PredictIt - a gambling site for predicting events. I think its Crypto only. (Dammit).
I do agree that polls (ideally higher quality ones) are preferable to betting sites.
I see! I was not aware we were regularly treated to its insights, that would explain the slight pushback received.
What’s this talk about US jobs reports and the dreaded R-word? Is the US economy slowing down and helping Trump (like a protest vote against the incumbent party?)
The notion is Americans care mostly about the current price of living and the other notion is they believe the current president / ruling party have direct control over that . I don't know how representative this viewpoint is but I've seen them mentioned a lot.
It was literally the first jobs report that didn't meet expectation in months.
Maybe they can just do what the Tory party have done in the UK at various points in the past 14 years. Boris Johnson was basically considered as being from a different party to the Cameron lead one just a few years earlier. He didn't campaign on his parties recorded at all, just what he would do going forward. Just re-brand and distance yourself form anything done before.
I'm pretty sure that, age aside, 'the left' would be happy if Bernie Sanders was the VP choice.
This article states:
This is clearly insinuating that the criticism is because Shapiro is Jewish. It's a false point, as JB Pritzker was in the shortlist and he is Jewish.
I am guessing they branded him 'Genocide Josh' because it's an obvious play on Genocide Joe, which is what they have been calling Joe Biden. Is it excessive? Absolutely. But you don't let accuracy get in the way of some good wordplay.
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Years, in fact. But the media exists to fck us all, so unlike the last 8 odd times it beat expectations, this is what breaks through.
So looks like we'll get a decision today on the VP pick. Given the general energy, momentum and 'vibes' of the last month, feels like a good choice would be Walz. I'm still hoping it's Pete, but that seems an impossiblity at this stage. Either way, pretty much everyone is a good choice from the shortlist.
Also more good polling coming out, and I think they handled the response to Trump's attempt at dodging the debate really well. Say whatever you want about Harris and her staff, but they've been impressive over the past few weeks, in pretty unprecedented territory. 90 more days of that please.
Also more good polling coming out, and I think they handled the response to Trump's attempt at dodging the debate really well. Say whatever you want about Harris and her staff, but they've been impressive over the past few weeks, in pretty unprecedented territory. 90 more days of that please.
Walz is a very uninspiring choice. There is nothing bad about him, but there is also nothing particularly exciting. A bit like Tim Kaine (or in the reverse side, Mike Pence).
It is obviously going to be Shapiro, and rightly so. With Whitmer ruling herself out, and probably never being an option cause Harris likely wanted a man on the ticket, it has to be Shapiro.
I think Walz is a far more interesting, inspiring candidate than Kaine. Agree that it is going to be Shapiro. Disagree that this is "rightly so".
This is America we are talking about, obsessing over policies is a lost cause.
Shapiro will be chosen because he’s more photogenic and talks like Obama, that’s about it.
If it’s Walz, he better get going. The first event is in Philly today and he’s still in Minnesota.
I think that's a mistake here. My preference for Walz isn't so much policy based (even though I align with him more). Shapiro's capable and a good orator, but I don't think he's as persuasive a speaker and interviewee as Walz. There's an authenticity and relatability to Walz that I think plays better with folk than the slick proclamations of yet another well oiled, well rehearsed lawyer.
Just the way I see it of course.
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I hope I’m wrong but I reckon it’s inevitably Shapiro.
I know you put great stock by them: Polymarket and PredictIt have Walz at
I still think it'll be Shapiro.
Me too. Don't see the logic of leaving it so late, choosing to campaign in one of the candidate's states, announcing a different candidate and then having to go on stage in front of a disappointed crowd. Makes much more tactical sense to make the late reveal if it's going to be a choice that energises the crowd your about to engage.
CNN suggesting (but not reporting yet) that it may be Walz.
Harris selects Tim Walz as VP
It's Walz
Yep, CNN reporting it now.
My predictive brilliance continues to amaze.
Holy cow. I guess that was a move to add a "regular joe" type to the ticket to appeal to rural America?
