2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris

ManUtd1999 said:
I came home during the speech of Harris (her closing argument) in DC. It felt like she has some momentum. It felt positive after MSG.

CNN interviewed Governor Shapiro. He looked energized, on the offensive. Then, CNN played that clip of Biden. The guy didn’t know what to say: it was the first time that he has heard these comments.

What does that mean? Biden was making these comments more or less at the same time that Harris was making her closing argument to the country. Maybe that was a bit earlier. But, still.

Okay. I’m going be quiet now on this matter, but it’s just wrong. Harris has avoided all kinds of controversies for 100 days, and then this happened!!
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I know. It was the first time in 2 years that I felt that Trump could lose the election after the MSG. now...will see, is not such a big feck up as stopping the big feck up of MAGAconvention

Biden might be in a mix of being senile, not caring because he is not the candidate anymore and he wants to show he has energy and strength after half a country is laughing and half is sad as his decline. Lock him after the elections
 
Round of applause for Biden :rolleyes: . This kind of stunt will go down well with the low propensity voter (similar to the McDonalds "shift" which will be one of the defining moments of this election campaign).

 
ManUtd1999 said:
I came home during the speech of Harris (her closing argument) in DC. It felt like she has some momentum. It felt positive after MSG.

CNN interviewed Governor Shapiro. He looked energized, on the offensive. Then, CNN played that clip of Biden. The guy didn’t know what to say: it was the first time that he has heard these comments.

What does that mean? Biden was making these comments more or less at the same time that Harris was making her closing argument to the country. Maybe that was a bit earlier. But, still.

Okay. I’m going be quiet now on this matter, but it’s just wrong. Harris has avoided all kinds of controversies for 100 days, and then this happened!!
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He shouldn't have been allowed to speak at all.
 
No one knows. It will all depend on how many people show up and who shows up. It could be 2022 where red tsunami was expected but instead it was a red ripple, but it could be that the anti-Trump passion is not as high as it was in 2020. No one knows.
 
Giggsyking said:
45k the number stagnated because the number of dead is actually unknown and difficult to count, they stopped counting in many areas specially in northern Gaza, its closer to 100k than actually 45k, like about 5% of the population, its equal to 14m in the UK. But that's for another thread.
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Its horrific, be it 45k or 100k. But my original point is we don't know if Biden has managed to curb the Israeli war machine.

And i know that sounds crazy with the number as they are, but my feeling is the likes of Bezalel Smotrich and Ben Gvir would love to go much, much further. Trump would turn a blind eye to that, as its also what Miriam Adelson wants.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Round of applause for Biden :rolleyes: . This kind of stunt will go down well with the low propensity voter (similar to the McDonalds "shift" which will be one of the defining moments of this election campaign).

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The funny thing is that this actually draws a lot of attention to the PR comments too
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
The bizarre thing about these claims, of 'Trump would be 10x worse, there'd be no one left in Gaza, etc' is that, if you take them seriously, they mean that the Democratic Party, its politicians, its intellectuals, are constantly sucking off a country that would kill millions of people if given free reign. It's a defense that quickly becomes an indictment.
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You always find a way to twist it back to The Democrats.
All the evidence is there that Trump would be terrible for The Palestinians, but somehow you cant accept that.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Round of applause for Biden :rolleyes: . This kind of stunt will go down well with the low propensity voter (similar to the McDonalds "shift" which will be one of the defining moments of this election campaign).

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it's like Harry Redknapp when he's doing his car window interviews
 
africanspur said:
There are 2 million Palestinians in Gaza. For ‘multiple’ millions to have been killed in one year, that would be literally the entire population of Gaza. There are still millions of Tutsi in Rwanda now.

The ‘gaslighting’ is not about any dispute that Trump is better. He is a monster. The gaslighting is that at every stage of criticism (and I’m talking about even before the election stuff was really in play), the defence has consistently been ‘it would be worse if the dems weren’t in’ or ‘they have no choice’. As it gets worse each time, there’s no serious pushback or criticism , just more of it would be worse , it would be worse. At least the have no choice aspect mostly disappeared for a bit , only to reappear again during the election campaign.

I’m 100% sure that we’ve reached the stage whereby even if Israel did set up concentration camps on Gaza and Biden/Harris continued to send weapons, the retort would be if trump was in power, there would be camps in the West Bank too. It’s a tiring circular conversation, whereby the more logical would simply be to say their policy on this is shite, the USA is genuinely completely deranged when it comes to Israel as a whole but Harris would be infinitely better on domestic issues, Ukraine and would be more amenable to some change in policy with Palestine.
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Well I did say hundreds of thousand up to millions. So yeah, I believe Israel has the capability that in a year, they absolutely could have killed up to the entire population of Gaza. But I am not going in circles as I said so I'll just leave it at we can agree on the bold at least.
 




Bow Tie wearer Tucker Carlson saying Tim Walz is gay?
Jesse Waters saying Tim Walz is not masculine, while wearing a face full of makeup and waving his limp wrist about ?

What is wrong with these people?
 
Trying to paint Tim as gay just seems dumb and pointless. It ignores the fact the man has a wife and kids, and has been portrayed as the typical white family man the whole time. Half the time it feels like they are just going for buzz words, ie we think gays are bad, so we will just tell our base that he is gay. Evidence, or even highlighting specific traits isn't required.

I'd also think that anyone who wouldn't vote for Kamala/Walz due to this, already isn't going to because she is a black women. So it isn't even gaining them any votes.
 


Plouffe interview 6 minutes in, confirmed what the campaign and public polling are doing,

We're being enormously conservative in our own data around Trump, saying 'OK, he surprised us in '16 and '20 so let's give him the strongest performance that he can'
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Elmo casually doing human trafficking and blackmailing

 
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InfiniteBoredom said:


He's cookin' ngl, I for one have never imagined Marge Green blown up in a car accident, I do now.
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I truly can't understand people hearing, or even worse cheering, his insane ramblings without having a brain aneurysm.

But that supposes they got a brain in the first place.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:


Plouffe interview 6 minutes in, confirmed what the campaign and public polling are doing,



Elmo casually doing human trafficking and blackmailing

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I have little reason to believe the last thing isnt true.

I've noticed before when Betsy DeVos was again actively trying to kill public education in favor of private schools there were mostly black people approaching people at events around the metro Detroit area trying to get people to sign in support of it by pretending it was supposed to improve education for everyone in the state. Many of them were so low energy about it that you truly got the feeling they were compelled to do it or only doing it to collect a check. It made me so angry to see that level of exploitation and deception. And apparently it's happening again. Wonder if some of my fellow Michiganders on here remember seeing something similar at the time.
 
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NLunited said:
I’m also mad about this issue. In particular the pro Israel bias in the media.

These clips do look bad, they come across as insensitive, but what actually is Kamala‘s policy position on Isreal/Palestine? Harris wants a two state solution while Trump detests Palestinians and wants Netanyahu to finish them off quickly.

Taking a strong stance against Israel now is suicide.
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Her position about the two state solution is the same as every single previous US administration, bar Carter's, and Clinton's to an extent. Empty words never followed by any meaningful action, on the contrary.

I understand the strictly American point of view that she's undeniably a better choice than the orange psychopath, but she's not a "good guy" on this particular topic, or in the Middle-East in general. She'll adopt an even harder stance against Iran for that matter.

She won't take any strong stance against Israel even after she's elected, and she certainly won't change the course of history. Israel's colonization policy and ethnic cleansing's policy will continue like before, albeit at a slower pace, something we've been used to. Just not so "in your face" like Trump would if he ever got to the WH.

Anyone believing otherwise is either badly misinformed about the US policy in the region in the last 70 years, the weight and influence of the pro-Israel lobby, or drank too much kool-aid. Or all of the three together. You're desperately feeding on crumbs she won't give even if she's elected.

The Palestinians are fecked either way. With or without lube, that's the choice they're left with.
 
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I am banging my head in despair. How is PA so close? It should be Kamala +5 the very least. Dem governor and lots of educated informed voters.

So, all this heavy campaign spend, endorsements, ground game is keeping 50-50?

I cannot bear the sight of Trump winning.
 
Kaush949 said:
I am banging my head in despair. How is PA so close? It should be Kamala +5 the very least. Dem governor and lots of educated informed voters.

So, all this heavy campaign spend, endorsements, ground game is keeping 50-50?

I cannot bear the sight of Trump winning.
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A cult of personality will take you very far in politics. Trump has been a gift to the GOP.

They're fecked when he's gone though.
 
Kaush949 said:
I am banging my head in despair. How is PA so close? It should be Kamala +5 the very least. Dem governor and lots of educated informed voters.

So, all this heavy campaign spend, endorsements, ground game is keeping 50-50?

I cannot bear the sight of Trump winning.
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It probably isn’t that close but the polls are pumping the GOP’s position in order to justify the argument that the election is stolen by the Democrats.

The fact he’s losing his shit about it already should tell you he knows he’s fecked.
 
mariachi-19 said:
It probably isn’t that close but the polls are pumping the GOP’s position in order to justify the argument that the election is stolen by the Democrats.

The fact he’s losing his shit about it already should tell you he knows he’s fecked.
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I want to believe this. I keep seeing a lot of positive signs on X and reddit:
- Significant % of democrats waiting till election day vs. EV out of fear
- A material crossover from republicans who will vote blue (Haley voters)
- Heavy ground effort from democrats
- Independents will go 70-30 Harris
- Energized female voter base
- Trump's base has gained nothing since 2020

All this should point towards a Harris blowout.

But every A rated pollster is showing 50-50 or Trump +1. Aren't top pollsters usually accurate closer to the ED?

If the polls are infact true, then I am probably stuck in a democrat hopium echo chamber. Next week is going to be unbearable.
 
On another note, Wouldn't Google, FB and Apple know with significant accuracy who might win election? They have access to all browsing history and registration activity and they should have better pulse on LVs compared to polls?
 
Sweet Square said:
Insane and deeply evil

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missed the best one!



remember, this is the guy who supposedly gave the PLO a good deal which they were fools to reject :lol:

e - since I know a few of the thread regulars believe in stuff like this, here is a recent Israeli study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420304876

You can see in Fig. 4B to see how high the relatedness between modern Palestinians and skeletons from Bronze-Age Megiddo (in modern Israel) are - higher than for any Jewish group currently in Israel. Funnily enough, while looking for this study, I found a Spanish study from 2001, saying a similar thing in its abstract... but the study itself has been retracted and scrubbed from the internet. By the editor, not because of the science (which he praised, and has been validated 20 years later with much better technology), but because of "political statements".
 
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berbatrick said:
missed the best one!



remember, this is the guy who supposedly gave the plo a good deal which they were fools to reject :lol:
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These old fecks are so stuck in their outdated world view that nothing could possibly change it. But just read the room, for fecks sake. Tally about something else.
 
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