2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris

NYTimes biased too?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html
shows Trump leading.


actually asking. Dont live in the US.. not sure what is the best site to check for the latest polls.


It's more that what you are linking to doesn't really show Trump leading - except +1 in PA (to clarify, Harris doesn't need GA, AZ or NC if she takes MI, WI and PA. Most of us hang our hopes on that scenario) which is well within the margin of error.

Also, keep in mind that these are all the polls aggregated. There will be some good and some bad.
 
It's more that what you are linking to doesn't really show Trump leading - except +1 in PA (to clarify, Harris doesn't need GA, AZ or NC if she takes MI, WI and PA. Most of us hang our hopes on that scenario) which is well within the margin of error.

Also, keep in mind that these are all the polls aggregated. There will be some good and some bad.

She’s looking quite ok in both Wisconsin and Michigan, isn’t she? It’s really Pennsylvania where things aren’t perfect and if she doesn’t win there she pretty much has no other path to victory it seems.
 
She’s looking quite ok in both Wisconsin and Michigan, isn’t she? It’s really Pennsylvania where things aren’t perfect and if she doesn’t win there she pretty much has no other path to victory it seems.

That is my take as well. Of course, GA + AZ could compensate for losing PA but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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That is my take as well. Of course, GA + NV/AZ could compensate for losing PA but I wouldn't bet on it.
GA+NV, NC+NV, GA+AZ, NC+AZ. The only losing combination is AZ + NV.

It’s Trump who actually has to run the gamut on the swing states, or near enough, to win it. In reality though, these whacky super tight scenarios rarely happened. Undecideds tend to break late in one direction and the winning candidate will get most of the swing states.
 
GA+NV, NC+NV, GA+AZ, NC+AZ. The only losing combination is AZ + NV.

It’s Trump who actually has to run the gamut on the swing states, or near enough, to win it. In reality though, these whacky super tight scenarios rarely happened. Undecideds tend to break late in one direction and the winning candidate will get most of the swing states.

Yes, you're right.
 
As we're on the subject of what is and isn't appropriate to say, be it 'gaslighting' or 'disgusting':
I don't think its fair to call a different opinion than you on the bold "gaslighting". Right now the death toll stands at about 45K plus associated terrible conditions. With the military disparity, I think after a year Israel could have killed hundreds of thousands or even millions by now. While it might be completely unsatisfactory, I do think the Biden admin is exerting more pressure behind the scenes than a Trump admin would have given Trump's actions as President, his current rhetoric, and what his base and donors are pushing for. I think with a Trump you easily could seen 90K death toll plus an increase in associated terrible conditions so I don't think that it can "barely" get worse, I think it could have been and could still get a lot worse. Harris, I think would go further than Biden and much further than Trump in trying to resolve things.
So I'll clarify, reported death toll of roughly 45K with an actual death toll when all is said and done much higher vs. what I believe could easily have been 90K reported death toll with an actual death toll even higher when all is said and done than what it will be now. Obviously, what Biden has done has not been enough and not been satisfactory and what Harris might do likely won't be ideal but I believe Harris would be measurably and meaningful better than Trump. And the point is, believing that things could get measurably and meaningfully worse with Trump is not "gaslighting" given his actions, rhetoric, base and donors.

I despise this mealy mouthed framing of the situation. It's borderline denialism.

The issue isn't that Joe Biden hasn't quite exerted the right amount of pressure. The issue is that Joe Biden (with Kamala Harris and the administration) has continued to allow the US to supply Israel with the funds and weaponry used to brutalise the Palestinians. He has routinely lied, has repeated dehumanising atrocity propoganda, has given blanket diplomatic support to Israel, has consistently reneged on 'red lines' and has continued to extended Israel's allowance everytime they have maxed it out, has smeared students protesting the attack on Gaza.

It is not just what Joe Biden hasn't done, it is what Joe Biden has done, that marks his absolute failure on the issue.

To use this vague, sugar-coated language provides an innacurate framing and seeks to absolve the Biden Harris administration of their complete moral and diplomatic failings on the issue.
 
Whatever ends up happening, I simply will never understand this final surge in Trump's numbers. Literally nothing he has done in the last 2 months has been good politically. He's made a weekly f*ck up that would end most campaigns. He's hidden from the media, cancelled every serious interview, only gone for the softest possible podcasts and done fewer rallies than ever. He's run the worst campaign I've ever seen, and I recall Hillary's. And yet he's become more popular. On one message and one alone: weren't you better off under me, in 2019?

His entire campaign success will come down to the human fallability of memory, and how ignorant, and quite frankly stupid a huge swathe of voters are. He will win having promised this return to 2019 without one shred of an iota of an idea of how he will achieve it. Not one concrete policy which could lower the cost of eggs or whatever buzzword inflation term we're talking about this week. He has promised to end world conflict, without one word - even a hint - of how he'll do it.

And that's good enough for these people. So f*ck them. As the Atlantic coined the term: it's willfull ignorance. They KNOW he won't be better. They KNOW he's full of sh*t. And they don't care, because he makes them feel a tiny bit better about themselves and that whatever they're feeling bad about isn't their fault.

America needs huge changes, and the only, ONLY thing I can hope is that 4 more years of this utter charlatan (or more likely several years of President JD Vance) will convince people of that.

I don't pin any of this on Harris. No sane electorate would even have this as a race, if the dems ran an actual donkey it should beat a wannabe, brain-addled, cowardly facist.
Whilst I don’t disagree with what your saying…is the part highlighted above an issue.

I mean, a bit of self care…for personal mental well being. I don’t see too much wrong with people choosing what makes them feel better about themselves
 
Whilst I don’t disagree with what your saying…is the part highlighted above an issue.

I mean, a bit of self care…for personal mental well being. I don’t see too much wrong with people choosing what makes them feel better about themselves
It may be an issue when making this lot feel better involves promising to hurt other people from the same country.

And sometimes, it's not even other people, it's themselves! It's madness.
 
Isn't this guy known for AstroTurfing and botting?
I think he spent last election or mid-election as super pro-democrat fighting the narrative of the red wave and did it in a bit of a grifter click baity way. He was kinda proven right in his analysis but was a bit bombastic with it and it might have been more luck than judgement
 
In a video message streamed live online Monday to his supporters, Kennedy declared that Trump had “promised me” he would be given “control of the public health agencies, which are HHS and its other agencies — CDC, FDA, NIH and a few others, and then also the USDA, which is, you know, key to making America healthy again, because we’ve got to get off of seed oils and we’ve got to get off of pesticide intensive agriculture.”

On Sunday at his rally at Madison Square Garden, Trump once again vowed to let Kennedy “go wild on food” and “go wild on medicines” if he’s re-elected. One day later, Kennedy was claiming he’d be in “control.”

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/tr...ing-rfk-jr-control-of-public-health-agencies/
 
Isn't this guy known for AstroTurfing and botting?

He’s a bit of a self promoter who got things fairly right in 22. Seems to have started his own Twitter alternative social network and uses his account to redirect people to his platform.

I did find this tweet encouraging. If R stooges like Cernovich and Kirk are concerned about PA, then that’s wonderful.

 
He’s a bit of a self promoter who got things fairly right in 22. Seems to have started his own Twitter alternative social network and uses his account to redirect people to his platform.

I did find this tweet encouraging. If R stooges like Cernovich and Kirk are concerned about PA, then that’s wonderful.


Yes.

Now, Harris winning Florida doesn’t seem realistic. But, what if she wins 6 or 7 of the swing states and ends up within 1-2 points in Florida? I would still consider his prediction reasonable.
 
Yes.

Now, Harris winning Florida doesn’t seem realistic. But, what if she wins 6 or 7 of the swing states and ends up within 1-2 points in Florida? I would still consider his prediction reasonable.

He seems to get Dems excited by triumphantly broadcasting best case scenarios, so I would take what he's saying with a healthy pinch of salt.
 
Yes.

Now, Harris winning Florida doesn’t seem realistic. But, what if she wins 6 or 7 of the swing states and ends up within 1-2 points in Florida? I would still consider his prediction reasonable.

Almost sounds too good to be true, but it's worth remembering that we are only a normal polling error away from a blowout! Now, that goes for both sides obviously, but let's hope...
 
Trying to paint Tim as gay just seems dumb and pointless. It ignores the fact the man has a wife and kids, and has been portrayed as the typical white family man the whole time. Half the time it feels like they are just going for buzz words, ie we think gays are bad, so we will just tell our base that he is gay. Evidence, or even highlighting specific traits isn't required.

I'd also think that anyone who wouldn't vote for Kamala/Walz due to this, already isn't going to because she is a black women. So it isn't even gaining them any votes.

Gay, but also accusing him of having an affair with the daughter of a Chinese Communist Party member.

The insults are not even consistent.
 
Half the time it feels like they are just going for buzz words, ie we think gays are bad, so we will just tell our base that he is gay. Evidence, or even highlighting specific traits isn't required.
Their base don't need any proofs. Nobody asks. Many of them don't have any clue what woke or DEI or even a communist is. But they use it anyways.
 




Bow Tie wearer Tucker Carlson saying Tim Walz is gay?
Jesse Waters saying Tim Walz is not masculine, while wearing a face full of makeup and waving his limp wrist about ?

What is wrong with these people?

So your counterargument is that they look just as gay? Doesn't that just continue the homophobic stereotyping?
 
I mean, Florida is just nonsense, but okay then.



This does not look like blue Florida to me, unless i guess about all NPA goes to dems or something.


Im struggling to understand all the early voting data. In some states the NV it looks positive for R's. In others like MI and PA, more positive for D's.

It seems like in some states Republicans have switches to voting early and in others less so. Not sure if that is due to state specific campaigning.
 
That is my take as well. Of course, GA + AZ could compensate for losing PA but I wouldn't bet on it.
GA+NV, NC+NV, GA+AZ, NC+AZ. The only losing combination is AZ + NV.

It’s Trump who actually has to run the gamut on the swing states, or near enough, to win it. In reality though, these whacky super tight scenarios rarely happened. Undecideds tend to break late in one direction and the winning candidate will get most of the swing states.
This is really good analysis, and better than any article i've read. Thank you!
 
It's all going to be PY, isn't it?

Harris takes Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada. Trump takes Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona.
 
So your counterargument is that they look just as gay? Doesn't that just continue the homophobic stereotyping?

Do you not see any irony behind a man, wafting his hand around with a face full of makeup, questioning other people's manhood? Jesse Watters has been questioning Tim Walz on this topic for months. Infact, he has a whole stick about what he defines as being a "manly man" yet he seems to fit non of his own criteria. He even takes personal offence when a man eats soup in public or use a straw...



No issue for deal leader though...
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It is always projection with this Republicans.

I will give you another example. Mark Robinson. Openly anti Trans. There is a whole literny of transphobic comments...
https://southernequality.org/mark-robinsons-history-of-homophobic-comments/

Yet in his private life, he commented on porn message boards...
“I like watching ****** on girl porn! That’s f---ing hot! It takes the man out while leaving the man in!”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-carolina-governor-race-cnn-report-rcna171860

I wont even start on how Trump projects his crimes, belifs and traits onto others.
 
Trying to paint Tim as gay just seems dumb and pointless. It ignores the fact the man has a wife and kids, and has been portrayed as the typical white family man the whole time. Half the time it feels like they are just going for buzz words, ie we think gays are bad, so we will just tell our base that he is gay. Evidence, or even highlighting specific traits isn't required.

I'd also think that anyone who wouldn't vote for Kamala/Walz due to this, already isn't going to because she is a black women. So it isn't even gaining them any votes.
Even if he is gay what's the issue? People need to stop concerning themselves about the sexuality of others.
 
Im struggling to understand all the early voting data. In some states the NV it looks positive for R's. In others like MI and PA, more positive for D's.

It seems like in some states Republicans have switches to voting early and in others less so. Not sure if that is due to state specific campaigning.
Are you American?
 
One of the posters eagerly talking about how people should vote Harris to help the Palestinian people is in reality hardcore pro Israel and believes Palestinians are inherently violent and irrational. I think this is one of the times where gaslighting fits really well, though that of course doesn't go for everyone.

I don't know anything about that and gaslighting would fit that scenario but some posters definitely come off as anyone that holds a slightly different opinion than a few posters is despicable, disgusting, etc. It doesn't matter if someone agrees with 95% of what they're saying.
 
I am starting to think that the establishment in the democratic party actually wants Kamala to lose Michigan.




 
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