Yeah Israel have been doing a lot of defending this past year
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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Yeah Israel have been doing a lot of defending this past year
Thought Israel was a nothing burger and would not influence the election results. I have been told right here!
It actually shouldn’t because I believe this is one topic both parties are aligned on ?
Way more trump voters will be betting so that shows the real probability is probably closer to 50/50
One of the posters eagerly talking about how people should vote Harris to help the Palestinian people is in reality hardcore pro Israel and believes Palestinians are inherently violent and irrational. I think this is one of the times where gaslighting fits really well, though that of course doesn't go for everyone.
Bill probably shoulnd't be talking about forcing anyone to do anything. Tricky territory.
missed the best one!
remember, this is the guy who supposedly gave the PLO a good deal which they were fools to reject
e - since I know a few of the thread regulars believe in stuff like this, here is a recent Israeli study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420304876
You can see in Fig. 4B to see how high the relatedness between modern Palestinians and skeletons from Bronze-Age Megiddo (in modern Israel) are - higher than for any Jewish group currently in Israel. Funnily enough, while looking for this study, I found a Spanish study from 2001, saying a similar thing in its abstract... but the study itself has been retracted and scrubbed from the internet. By the editor, not because of the science (which he praised, and has been validated 20 years later with much better technology), but because of "political statements".
He campaigned to the right of Bush SR. on Israel. The Oslo Accords were also a huge failure and could be argued as one of the main reasons we've reached this point.
Even said she's hot.
Isn't there a lot of polling 'evidence' that Trump has gained on different voting subgroups since 2020?
Election day is soon. We'll know then.
What an utter trainwreck of a post.
Harris should ask Clinton and Biden to stop talking.
We should be happy they killed 45k and not millions which they could have if they wanted.
Aside from his truly deplorable and despicable logic, the thing is that 45k is the number we undoubtedly know of.45k is bad but you should be thankful because it could have been 90k
We already are by legitimate accounts way over 100k deaths, the Lancet pointing at 187k in last June, with epidemics and starvation raging, added ot the daily, indiscriminate bombings which never stopped since 10/7. The Gaza strip's been effectively wiped off the map and the population sent back to the stone age, unable to survive without the most basic humanitarian help for the next five decades if they even get that far. And UNRWA was officially banned by Israel two days ago.
All of this with the full support and complicity of an administration Harris is an eminent member of, and who said absolutely nothing to really distance herself from the truly criminal endeavor the US is currently actively engaged in.
Yet he still has the gall to come up with this horrendous post, high on the smell of his own brainfarts and convinced that he just won the gotcha argument.
On the other hand, that's the same guy who tried to argue with me a few weeks after 10/7 that the Palestinians should've agreed to the Bantustans the Clinton administration and Israel
I'll stop here, it's not the right thread to elaborate any further.
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Oh no.
Whatever ends up happening, I simply will never understand this final surge in Trump's numbers. Literally nothing he has done in the last 2 months has been good politically. He's made a weekly f*ck up that would end most campaigns. He's hidden from the media, cancelled every serious interview, only gone for the softest possible podcasts and done fewer rallies than ever. He's run the worst campaign I've ever seen, and I recall Hillary's. And yet he's become more popular. On one message and one alone: weren't you better off under me, in 2019?
His entire campaign success will come down to the human fallability of memory, and how ignorant, and quite frankly stupid a huge swathe of voters are. He will win having promised this return to 2019 without one shred of an iota of an idea of how he will achieve it. Not one concrete policy which could lower the cost of eggs or whatever buzzword inflation term we're talking about this week. He has promised to end world conflict, without one word - even a hint - of how he'll do it.
And that's good enough for these people. So f*ck them. As the Atlantic coined the term: it's willfull ignorance. They KNOW he won't be better. They KNOW he's full of sh*t. And they don't care, because he makes them feel a tiny bit better about themselves and that whatever they're feeling bad about isn't their fault.
America needs huge changes, and the only, ONLY thing I can hope is that 4 more years of this utter charlatan (or more likely several years of President JD Vance) will convince people of that.
I don't pin any of this on Harris. No sane electorate would even have this as a race, if the dems ran an actual donkey it should beat a wannabe, brain-addled, cowardly facist.
His entire campaign success will come down to the human fallability of memory, and how ignorant, and quite frankly stupid a huge swathe of voters are. He will win having promised this return to 2019 without one shred of an iota of an idea of how he will achieve it. Not one concrete policy which could lower the cost of eggs or whatever buzzword inflation term we're talking about this week. He has promised to end world conflict, without one word - even a hint - of how he'll do it.
And that's good enough for these people. So f*ck them. As the Atlantic coined the term: it's willfull ignorance. They KNOW he won't be better. They KNOW he's full of sh*t. And they don't care, because he makes them feel a tiny bit better about themselves and that whatever they're feeling bad about isn't their fault.
America needs huge changes, and the only, ONLY thing I can hope is that 4 more years of this utter charlatan (or more likely several years of President JD Vance) will convince people of that.
I don't pin any of this on Harris. No sane electorate would even have this as a race, if the dems ran an actual donkey it should beat a wannabe, brain-addled, cowardly facist.
All this coming from the bloke bank rolled by a Republican supporter… stop posting his shit - he’s no credibility.
Men aren’t coming out to vote and I bet there’s just as many women at home who are still yet to vote…
Average Democrat: Noooooooo Biden you cant make a gaffe, mainstream media will incessantly cover it.
Average Trump voter: I get my news from Rogan, Tim Pool, and Stephen Crowder, I actively shunned mainstream media.
Average Trump voter: I get my news from Rogan, Tim Pool, and Stephen Crowder, I actively shunned mainstream media.
From an outsider point of view, I think that a very narrow-minded, notable part of the American population, who slowly but surely drifted to the far-right over the last decades, also wants a radical change, just not the way you see it. They can't see it happening with Harris whom they associate with the current establishment, if not with the "Deep State". Nothing will convince them otherwise.
To make the matters worse, you have a political tribalism pushed to the extreme (something also constantly gathering speed in Europe) added to an obsolete electoral system. The latter's perverted by the legalized bribes that are the lobbies, with electoral campaigns turned into a circus, especially with the advent of social media, where the candidate who has the most convincing soundbites wins, no matter the political platform they're on.
That's why an absolute lunatic like Trump, who by all accounts should've been in jail instead of being a presidential candidate in any normal democratic country, is able to gather such numbers and has a real chance to win the 2024 elections, despite his calamitous previous tenure. And why he can say pretty much whatever going through that swiss cheese of a brain of his without any real consequence.
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I hope they are right in their concerns over PA, though i'm not so sure, last day, dems ballot edge in the state didn't increase at all, it actually decreased by a tiny bit, doesn't look like they will get that close to that 500k number that supposedly is where they need to be, come election day, even factoring in independents swinging for them.
At this point is wholly possible both the Clintons are actively trying to tank Harris so Hillary doesn’t look so much of a loser
I think there's definitely a lot to that. The challenge is how you counter it, as a party that actually does want to use government to govern.
I listened to a bunch of Bernie lately, and he really was the last candidate I could see actually energising true change. We need another like him, or Obama.
The US isn't even that hard to fix. At present the perversions of the electoral and political system are preventing the popular will being implemented. Abortion, universal healthcare, climate-change policies, immigration policies - many of these issues have >70% support in the 'good' direction, but the political system as it exists is preventing that. Lobbying and money in politics are the two main culprits, and could both be fixed with a system that truly desired change.
But as Bernie says - even the best-intentioned Democrats become beholden to that system. The challenge is having a movement so popular, so energised that it can overcome that.
I think alot about what that Cunk guy said - Trump could have been that. He actually found a base that wanted true change and took him to a position to do it. But he never had interest in change, just his personal agenda.
That Quinnipiac polls has me truly spooked. That's a good polling company with the same metholodgy of 2 months ago, showing enormous swing to Trump.
Wouldn't worry about it, Quinnipiac has shown insane numbers and swings all election cycle, its just their thing.
missed the best one!
remember, this is the guy who supposedly gave the PLO a good deal which they were fools to reject
e - since I know a few of the thread regulars believe in stuff like this, here is a recent Israeli study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420304876
You can see in Fig. 4B to see how high the relatedness between modern Palestinians and skeletons from Bronze-Age Megiddo (in modern Israel) are - higher than for any Jewish group currently in Israel. Funnily enough, while looking for this study, I found a Spanish study from 2001, saying a similar thing in its abstract... but the study itself has been retracted and scrubbed from the internet. By the editor, not because of the science (which he praised, and has been validated 20 years later with much better technology), but because of "political statements".
I’m genuinely trying to think of any other political issue where politicians would speak in this way.
I’ve heard some of you are concerned about abortion. Yes some women are very loose and use it as a form of contraceptive. Yes it’s morally evil. Yes some couples will get a baby with Down’s syndrome aborted, can you believe it. Awful stuff.
But we’ll look into things.
Yes Jews of Penn, October 7th was awful. But what would you do as a Palestinian when other routes to freedom haven’t worked? Oh wait we’re actually trying to win your vote?
It’s surreal.
I’d be very surprised if there was a big swing to be honest. As you said, he’s done nothing in the past couple of months other than talk shit and be racist so I’d be surprised if there was a huge chunk of Americans who were previously undecided, looked at those things and thought Trump is the one for me.
Their sample went from D+3 to D+2 to R+2. That's all there is to it. It's not a swing of voting intention, it's a swing in how they model the electorate. They have form for this, 15 points swing in FL in 2012 in 2 months, and 9 points swing in Michigan in 3 weeks this cycle.
Yep I wouldn’t put it pass them. Although it is the Harris campaign choice to have Bill Clinton speak.
Plus Harris isn’t much “better”. Whenever she is pressed on Gaza she mentions the need for cheaper groceries and why importantly it’s her turn to talk.
NYTimes biased too?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html
shows Trump leading.
actually asking. Dont live in the US.. not sure what is the best site to check for the latest polls.
Voting in person in absolute numbers dwarfs absentee voters doesn’t it?
I mean, Florida is just nonsense, but okay then.
This does not look like blue Florida to me, unless i guess about all NPA goes to dems or something.
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I guess, at least he hasn't flipped Texas, but Florida is totally out there, too.
So many seem to be of the opinion that Florida will be closer than Texas, since it is that way historically, but i honestly think its less crazy to believe in blue Texas at this point.
Its not going to happen, but do i think Texas will be closer than Florida this time.