2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris

Arnie endorsed Kamala. They need to get him and Ventura together to make a “we know a thing or two about fighting predators” ad

Not that he knows much about morals about women after banging the baby sister

Edit: babysitter
 
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Some of this things might happen, some might not. What surely will not happen is making the billionaires pay their fair share

It also depends on whether Dems actually take advantage of their majorities and how the filibuster may play into it.
 
I don't think there should be anything controversial in saying that Harris is 'the best option for the Middle East.'

But it gets silly is where people try to leap from this, to arguing that Harris and/or Biden have some secret or private "good" opinion about Israel and they are publicly "bad" on the issue because of external pressures.
 
I don't think there should be anything controversial in saying that Harris is 'the best option for the Middle East.'

But it gets silly is where people try to leap from this, to arguing that Harris and/or Biden have some secret or private "good" opinion about Israel and they are publicly "bad" on the issue because of external pressures.

What you're describing is more or less reality. Politicians are ascribed a finite amount of political capital to enact policy and often don't have the luxury of blowing it all on one issue at the expense of their broader agenda - even if they have strong feelings about said issue. This is a norm in US presidential politics and the only person who was slightly exempt from this was Trump, because he had strong control over the careers of any Republicans in Congress who would dare challenge him.
 
I don't think there should be anything controversial in saying that Harris is 'the best option for the Middle East.'

But it gets silly is where people try to leap from this, to arguing that Harris and/or Biden have some secret or private "good" opinion about Israel and they are publicly "bad" on the issue because of external pressures.
It's just a cope mechanism.
 
I don't think there should be anything controversial in saying that Harris is 'the best option for the Middle East.'

But it gets silly is where people try to leap from this, to arguing that Harris and/or Biden have some secret or private "good" opinion about Israel and they are publicly "bad" on the issue because of external pressures.

Is it fair to say there is the potential that Biden's policy may be different to that of Harris?
 
It's just a cope mechanism.
It isn't. Or doesn't have to be. Politicians advocate all sorts of things they don't believe in, because it is in the interest of their party or they are under outside pressure. That's pretty much every day business for them and happens everywhere from local politics to world politics.
It only becomes a copying mechanism, if people claim this to be the case whenever someone they like does something bad. And one can also discuss if it is really better to do something bad, because of outside pressure instead of wholehearted beliefs, as the outcome is the same.
 
What you're describing is more or less reality. Politicians are ascribed a finite amount of political capital to enact policy and often don't have the luxury of blowing it all on one issue at the expense of their broader agenda - even if they have strong feelings about said issue.
That is broadly true. The part I dispute is the idea that Harris or Biden or most Democratic politicians have "strong feelings about the issue" that contradict their public positions on the matter. I don't think there is any reason to believe that. I think most centrist and liberals believe exactly what they say in public about this issue.
 
From Dana Milbank's column in The Washington Post:

[North Carolina]
In this pivotal state — the best possibility of a Democratic pickup among states Donald Trump won in 2020 — what was then the Biden campaign began hiring staff in January, and it has been running field operations since June. It built up to 360 paid staff members, with 29 field offices statewide, operating with a network of satellite offices in homes and businesses.

Forty thousand volunteers have signed up since Harris became the candidate, on top of those who were already volunteering for Biden. The Harris campaignhas been running four shifts of daily canvassing here — at 9 a.m., noon, 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. — in which hundreds of volunteers knock on thousands of doors. Last week, campaign volunteers knocked on more than 100,000 doors and made more than 1.8 million phone calls in North Carolina alone. Comparable efforts are underway in every swing state.
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Nearly 100 Harris staffers are organizing four canvasses per day on each of 32 college campuses in the state. Last weekend saw a “Souls to the Polls” effort with more than 100 Black churches getting parishioners to the polls to vote early. Campaign surrogates have flooded historically Black colleges and universities. The campaign coordinates with civic organizations to offer voters rides to voting places.

The field effort is coordinated with paid advertising, of course. The Harris campaign has been on the airwaves here for a year; for Trump, it has been the last few months. Black radio stations have been saturated with ads. Low-propensity Democratic voters will have gotten on average eight pieces of mail this cycle — low-propensity Black voters will have received 10 to 12 — and each will have received between two and six phone calls from volunteers and at least one in-person visit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/30/harris-campaign-north-carolina-october-surprise/
 
I don't think there should be anything controversial in saying that Harris is 'the best option for the Middle East.'
But is she? Really?

One could argue that Trump might be better. Republicans will support Israel no matter what. However dems might decide to start advocating for less support to gain political points.

I don't think trump's policy would be any better, but if he wins there might be at least some spotlight and discussion in politics. Trump might even decide to rein in Netanyahu of there is enough pressure.

If Kamal wins, there will be no political pressure within the US, which means no pressure on Israel, whatsoever.

However, slim and unrealistic (and it is very slim and unrealistic), I see a path for palestinian improvement under Trump. Under Kamala, I just see more of the same.
 
From Dana Milbank's column in The Washington Post:

[North Carolina]
In this pivotal state — the best possibility of a Democratic pickup among states Donald Trump won in 2020 — what was then the Biden campaign began hiring staff in January, and it has been running field operations since June. It built up to 360 paid staff members, with 29 field offices statewide, operating with a network of satellite offices in homes and businesses.

Forty thousand volunteers have signed up since Harris became the candidate, on top of those who were already volunteering for Biden. The Harris campaignhas been running four shifts of daily canvassing here — at 9 a.m., noon, 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. — in which hundreds of volunteers knock on thousands of doors. Last week, campaign volunteers knocked on more than 100,000 doors and made more than 1.8 million phone calls in North Carolina alone. Comparable efforts are underway in every swing state.
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Nearly 100 Harris staffers are organizing four canvasses per day on each of 32 college campuses in the state. Last weekend saw a “Souls to the Polls” effort with more than 100 Black churches getting parishioners to the polls to vote early. Campaign surrogates have flooded historically Black colleges and universities. The campaign coordinates with civic organizations to offer voters rides to voting places.

The field effort is coordinated with paid advertising, of course. The Harris campaign has been on the airwaves here for a year; for Trump, it has been the last few months. Black radio stations have been saturated with ads. Low-propensity Democratic voters will have gotten on average eight pieces of mail this cycle — low-propensity Black voters will have received 10 to 12 — and each will have received between two and six phone calls from volunteers and at least one in-person visit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/30/harris-campaign-north-carolina-october-surprise/
I've always been curious: why are the Democrats better than Republicans at these ground operations? Most articles I've read suggest that the Republicans can't match the Dems on field operations.
 
I don't think its fair to call a different opinion than you on the bold "gaslighting". Right now the death toll stands at about 45K plus associated terrible conditions. With the military disparity, I think after a year Israel could have killed hundreds of thousands or even millions by now. While it might be completely unsatisfactory, I do think the Biden admin is exerting more pressure behind the scenes than a Trump admin would have given Trump's actions as President, his current rhetoric, and what his base and donors are pushing for. I think with a Trump you easily could seen 90K death toll plus an increase in associated terrible conditions so I don't think that it can "barely" get worse, I think it could have been and could still get a lot worse. Harris, I think would go further than Biden and much further than Trump in trying to resolve things.
Yes.
 
I've always been curious: why are the Democrats better than Republicans at these ground operations? Most articles I've read suggest that the Republicans can't match the Dems on field operations.
Laura Trump is the RNC chair. They embezzled the fund to pay for his legal troubles and outsourced the GOTV operation to outside groups/Super PACs
 
But is she? Really?

One could argue that Trump might be better. Republicans will support Israel no matter what. However dems might decide to start advocating for less support to gain political points.

I don't think trump's policy would be any better, but if he wins there might be at least some spotlight and discussion in politics. Trump might even decide to rein in Netanyahu of there is enough pressure.

If Kamal wins, there will be no political pressure within the US, which means no pressure on Israel, whatsoever.

However, slim and unrealistic (and it is very slim and unrealistic), I see a path for palestinian improvement under Trump. Under Kamala, I just see more of the same.

This is an obscure take.

Her name is Kamala, not Kamal. Not sure if that is a MAGA joke or not?

Either way, if the killing in Gaza continues under Harris, then there will be massive pressure. Even if she has not stated it, people are expecting a change in direction under Harris and she will have let a lot of people down if it is business as usual.

If Trump gets in, there is absolutely no chance of of reining in Netanyahu. Look what Miriam Adelson wants Trump to do with Gaza. And what about Trump telling Bibi to "Finish the Job" makes you think that?
 
But is she? Really?

One could argue that Trump might be better. Republicans will support Israel no matter what. However dems might decide to start advocating for less support to gain political points.

I don't think trump's policy would be any better, but if he wins there might be at least some spotlight and discussion in politics. Trump might even decide to rein in Netanyahu of there is enough pressure.

If Kamal wins, there will be no political pressure within the US, which means no pressure on Israel, whatsoever.

However, slim and unrealistic (and it is very slim and unrealistic), I see a path for palestinian improvement under Trump. Under Kamala, I just see more of the same.
The two highlighted sections contradict each other.

There is zero chance there will be any improvement for Palestinians under Trump.
 
I've always been curious: why are the Democrats better than Republicans at these ground operations? Most articles I've read suggest that the Republicans can't match the Dems on field operations.

Lara Trump funneled a lot of the campaign money to Trump's legal expenses as well as god knows where else.

It would seem they don't have the same quality of data to work from, which is why Elon is bribing people to sign his 2nd Amendment petition for the chance of winning $1m. Once he has the names, emails and addresses, they can target those people and get them out to vote, knowing that those that are pro 2nd Amendment are likely going to vote for Trump.
 
There are 5 polls of PA showing a tie in the last 24 hours.

The odds of that happening dynamically is probably lower than hitting the jackpot. The herding is real.
 
I still don't get the fascination with polls. They all say something a little different it seems and just about every one of them has a built in bias or you can at least ask some serious questions of the metrics used to come to their conclusions.
 
I don't think its fair to call a different opinion than you on the bold "gaslighting". Right now the death toll stands at about 45K plus associated terrible conditions. With the military disparity, I think after a year Israel could have killed hundreds of thousands or even millions by now. While it might be completely unsatisfactory, I do think the Biden admin is exerting more pressure behind the scenes than a Trump admin would have given Trump's actions as President, his current rhetoric, and what his base and donors are pushing for. I think with a Trump you easily could seen 90K death toll plus an increase in associated terrible conditions so I don't think that it can "barely" get worse, I think it could have been and could still get a lot worse. Harris, I think would go further than Biden and much further than Trump in trying to resolve things.

"Why are you angry? Israel only killed 45k, be thankful it's not 90k"
 
"Why are you angry? Israel only killed 45k, be thankful it's not 90k"
There is no need to mischaracterize what people are saying. Biden, Harris etc are war criminals and scum but Trump will be worse and more innocents will die under him. If Palestinians lives are the main voting issue then it's a no contest.
 
There is no need to mischaracterize what people are saying. Biden, Harris etc are war criminals and scum but Trump will be worse and more innocents will die under him. If Palestinians lives are the main voting issue then it's a no contest.

Not you, but the people you are agreeing with probably won't agree with "Biden, Harris etc are war criminals".
 
As it stand today, I would tend to agree because Biden has not successfully been able to pressure Israel into going after Hamas with any kind of restraint. Or perhaps he has, and what we are seeing, all being is still horrific, is restraint, compared to what Bibi and his right wing cabinet would have liked to do to Gaza. I don't think we know for sure.

Either way, the question is, in light of the election, is there a chance of that changing with Harris as President?


Have you seen Gaza? :lol:, there is literally nothing left.