It just shows that some comments are disqualifying. As long as you are a Democrat.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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Garbage / deplorables / all have minimal impact on the election. That is just media and pundits amplifying current events to get clicks/views. What decided 2016/2020 and will decide 2024 elections is how much people hate Trump. Especially those politically disinterested. For people who follow politics, it is hard to understand that a lot of people (18-25 year olds) do not give a sh1t about politics. They will show up not because they like Harris but because they despise Trump enough to get their lazy asses to vote.
Obama got those politically disinterested to actually like him and show up because of him, not because of the other guy. Hillary, Joe and Kamala do not have that because dems do not like to run with their most popular person anymore. Luckily, the opponent might be the reason enough to get a vote.
Also, Trump ain't winning cause of "MAGA". MAGA clowns are actually the reason why Trump is not doing better. Trump won and might win because quiet people with no political signs in their yards are voting for him because dems are unable and unwilling to generate a candidate that actually stands for something. Hillary, Joe and Kamala are just not interesting people. They lack charisma a political leader needs. They tried to prop up Kamala and Minessota guy, I mean something was there, but it was never organic.
Obama got those politically disinterested to actually like him and show up because of him, not because of the other guy. Hillary, Joe and Kamala do not have that because dems do not like to run with their most popular person anymore. Luckily, the opponent might be the reason enough to get a vote.
Also, Trump ain't winning cause of "MAGA". MAGA clowns are actually the reason why Trump is not doing better. Trump won and might win because quiet people with no political signs in their yards are voting for him because dems are unable and unwilling to generate a candidate that actually stands for something. Hillary, Joe and Kamala are just not interesting people. They lack charisma a political leader needs. They tried to prop up Kamala and Minessota guy, I mean something was there, but it was never organic.
Do you live in the states?
Yes. Over 20 years.
Nothing will come from Biden’s comments.
The only people he upset were people already voting for Trump regardless and they’ll project his comments to the and change the narrative from facist fest on Sunday night.
What Joe does need to do is stay the feck in the White House, say absolutely nothing and wait until the end of his term and teeter off to retirement.
The only people he upset were people already voting for Trump regardless and they’ll project his comments to the and change the narrative from facist fest on Sunday night.
What Joe does need to do is stay the feck in the White House, say absolutely nothing and wait until the end of his term and teeter off to retirement.
there are far too many people IMO who actually do like trump, especially in that younger age bracket. Not sure what state you are in/from so maybe that has something to do with it.
I mean we knew there would be no accountability, no apology of course. Only idiots would believe the guy was some infiltrator who went rogue. And this ignores the fact that he wasnt the only one making racist, sexist, hate remarks anyway. It was clearly the theme of the night. They knew who they were getting. We already know his team edited other jokes from this set.
I mean sure. There are young dudes who want to be edgy and annoy those around them. They don't like Trump but they love to antagonize those around them. Also democrats are pressing issue of abortion and what why should young men care about abortion? All statistics point to young men not having neither relationships nor having sex. If they think Trump being a president will get them laid, they are wrong, but there is hope.
The very fact that he is backtracking this hard just shows that he knows it was a feck-up. This is what panic mode looks like for Trump.
Okay this may sound stupid but is November 5th result date or voting day? When will we know for sure who is going to be US next president?
Voting day. Last time we didn’t know until the Saturday that Biden had won
Election Day. We will likely know early wednesday morning GMT unless it is Florida 2000 close.
It is a voting day. By 11 pm the same day we should have a clear idea who will be the next president. Do not follow the "count" throughout a day if you have money in the game. Media will purposely make a roller-coaster out of it. By the next morning we should now for sure who the next president is.
That was due to unprecedented volumes of mail votes because of the pandemic though. Should be smoother this time around.
Yes and hopefully yes. Right after I posted that I was like should have added more context. We knew by Wednesday morning in 2016
Your views seem horribly distorted if I’m being honest.
Deja vu.
As it stand today, I would tend to agree because Biden has not successfully been able to pressure Israel into going after Hamas with any kind of restraint. Or perhaps he has, and what we are seeing, all being is still horrific, is restraint, compared to what Bibi and his right wing cabinet would have liked to do to Gaza. I don't think we know for sure.
Either way, the question is, in light of the election, is there a chance of that changing with Harris as President?
Tend to agree.
We can't say the PR joke at MSG had the potential to make a difference on the margins, but say this Biden blunder wont.
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Tracey is a nurse practitioner from Texas who voted for Trump during the last presidential election and plans to back him again
"[Trump] has definitely said things that he probably should have unsaid. I would have to shake my finger at that, especially as a woman, but I have yet to hear anything that would make me change my mind about my vote.
"I'm not voting personality. I'm voting policy. I don't have to marry the man. I don't have to deal with him. I have to deal with his policies.
"On abortion, [Harris] is not giving a gestational parameter of how late somebody can get an abortion. That cannot be-open ended. I was a NICU [neonatal intensive care unit] nurse for 17 years... I care about women's rights. I care about women. The mother is the first patient. However, that is the turn-off to me that she won't give an answer to that."
People like this are so intellectually dishonest. Harris hasn’t said how late somebody can get an abortion (likely because it would just go back to what it was before the overturn) va someone who actually facilitated the banning of abortion , despite apparently caring about the women and how the mother is the first patient.
The late term abortion argument is a crock of crap.
As a NICU nurse, how many women aborted pregnancies late term when both the woman and the child were both fully healthy?
They are having them because of complications that either endanger them or their child.
1% of pregnancies are terminated after 21 weeks and the vast majority of them is due to complications.
I don't think its fair to call a different opinion than you on the bold "gaslighting". Right now the death toll stands at about 45K plus associated terrible conditions. With the military disparity, I think after a year Israel could have killed hundreds of thousands or even millions by now. While it might be completely unsatisfactory, I do think the Biden admin is exerting more pressure behind the scenes than a Trump admin would have given Trump's actions as President, his current rhetoric, and what his base and donors are pushing for. I think with a Trump you easily could seen 90K death toll plus an increase in associated terrible conditions so I don't think that it can "barely" get worse, I think it could have been and could still get a lot worse. Harris, I think would go further than Biden and much further than Trump in trying to resolve things.
We will have a good handle on the electoral vote count by the early morning hours on Wednesday.
However, it is quite possible that legal challenges on the validity of votes cast in jurisdictions heavily populated by Dems could drag this out — and overturn the results in key states — a few weeks later. The Supreme Court appears ready to do what it sees as its job to save the republic, no matter how specious the reasoning may be.
However, it is quite possible that legal challenges on the validity of votes cast in jurisdictions heavily populated by Dems could drag this out — and overturn the results in key states — a few weeks later. The Supreme Court appears ready to do what it sees as its job to save the republic, no matter how specious the reasoning may be.
Agreed
The death toll is far higher than this and associated terrible conditions make it sound like that Palestinians are having bad weather not that they can't find anything to eat or drink. Lack of basic human needs and starvation are killing hundreds of thousands of people, some would argue that's even more sadistic than getting killed by bombs.
Let's see what the Biden admin pressure looks like in numbers after a year.
The death toll is far higher than this and associated terrible conditions make it sound like that Palestinians are having bad weather not that they can't find anything to eat or drink. Lack of basic human needs and starvation are killing hundreds of thousands of people, some would argue that's even more sadistic than getting killed by bombs.
Let's see what the Biden admin pressure looks like in numbers after a year.
So I'll clarify, reported death toll of roughly 45K with an actual death toll when all is said and done much higher vs. what I believe could easily have been 90K reported death toll with an actual death toll even higher when all is said and done than what it will be now. Obviously, what Biden has done has not been enough and not been satisfactory and what Harris might do likely won't be ideal but I believe Harris would be measurably and meaningful better than Trump. And the point is, believing that things could get measurably and meaningfully worse with Trump is not "gaslighting" given his actions, rhetoric, base and donors.
Are we sure of that? I am seeing lots of interview in areas of high Arabic, or otherwise invested migrant areas, who are saying just that. Of course it could just be journalists seeking a sound bite that suite their agenda but ....
I suspect that Harris is by far the best option for Gaza and the Middle East. You don't get elected by openly slagging Israel but I think her public opinion now will turn into a far less pro-Israeli one once she is hopefully elected. Trump would be a disaster for everyone. The man who moved the US Embassy and loves being flattered by a fascist strongman.
This is spot on. No one is getting elected on a "tough on Israel" platform, but once elected, there is more flexibility for politicians to privately take tougher stands against things like tying future weapon shipments to Israel with concessions ranging from more humanitarian aid to affected people and a verifiable, milestone based timeline as to when the entire conflict will be ended overall.
There is never rarely one single reason to anyone winning or losing an election. Likewise, voters pick their candidate on a range of issues. Yes, there are single issue voters, but very few that would just ignore all the other issues should they impact them in a negative way.
Inflation is the number one gripe for people. People have fondness for the lower prices when Trump was president. I have said it before, but many people are judging the economy based upon the price of bacon more than any other traditional economic measure.
People feel life if more expensive for them now that it was under Trumps term.
I think you are right in saying that people voting against Trump is a big factor. Had the GOP ran a conventional non MAGA candidate then maybe they would be up by 6 points in the polls and cruising to a landslide. Especially with the perceived terrible economy.
But then again, there is a reason that GOP House and Senate members again bowed back down to Trump post Jan 6. I think they realize they cant win without his MAGA base.
All right. My views are wrong according to you, but what are your views? Why do you think some young men in America like Trump? Because they are nazis, racists and uneducated?
Completely agree. She is having to walk a tightrope right now, which is why I have strongly objected to those calling her comments "fecking disgusting". Playing both sides while not trying to criticise your former boss is not easy. She really is in a no win situation with it, as trying not to feck up is a sure fire way of fecking up.
But she is undoubtedly the best option for Gaza and the Middle East, even though the critics on here won't admit that.
There are more of them than people realize I believe.
And as Mehdi Hasan suggested in the clip i posted a couple of pages back - Miriam Adelson has "donated" $100m to the Trump campaign with the expectation that if elected, he will look the other way if Israel attempts to annex the entire West Bank. If that's not a clear contrast between Harris and Trump then I don't know what is.
Yup
Yes, that video was excellent. It showed exactly what Trump would do. Again, ignored by those who wish to hold Harris to a different standard and nitpick words in her statements.
I hope that video reaches the comunities who may be on the fence. Im not sure if Hasan's audience is largely white or otherwise.
If you didn't see it, he was also great on BBCs question time from Philly.
Sure. The army of young men who voted for Obama in 2008/2012 - that were against war and for universal health care - are now replaced by army of young men who are uneducated nazis and racists. Not sure how that Giuliani speech at MSG rally did not turn them against Trump.
I get why people think this but it’s based on
zero evidence. It’s pure wish casting. Really no different than believing Trump will “drain the swamp”.
US foreign policy is completely detached from any democratic process. What will change US policy is how successful axis of resistance is against Israel.
This. I can't think of any issue where left and right are more in sync than for their support for Israel. It is sort of cute, I mean scary.
It's like the transgender issue - what percentage of the population is actual transgender or identified as such? 0.6%
These people are looking for demons and instead of finding them, create them out of nothing.
Hardly zero evidence. It seems very apparent that Harris is less pro-Israel than Biden. Based on past behavior it is totally apparent that Trump will be terrible for non-Israelis in the ME (and potentially terrible for them as well). Does that mean that Harris will be anti-Israel? No. But when there is a binary choice you choose the massively less shit option.