I hope you are right. I'm not sure the world can cope with another 4 years of Trump.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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This is a lot of interpretation over what was a straightforward statement. She literally ranked them and said one was more tragic than the other.
I don't see much reason to believe it was a verbal gaffe. The belief aligns with the actions of the Biden administration and the general attitudes of the Democratic party. It is, as they say, "saying the quiet part loud."
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I don't think it really matters because 'Joe Biden puts foot into mouth' is a well known phenomenon, so nobody will be bothered by this except the most rabid partisan. I just really hate the slimy sociopathic cnut with every fiber of my being.
Unfortunately I feel exactly the opposite way. I think Trump wins with enough states to be able to call it sooner than we think.
I'm preparing for 4 bad years.
The democrats really should have locked him up until the election is done. This wasn't very clever and a nice assist for the Republicans after their idiotic comments
Please listen to him, MAGAs.
We really can't.
Nah, it's not going to move the needle one bit. I thought it was refreshing.
You’re right. If trump were in power, we’d be seeing crazy things like military attacks on UN peacekeeping bases. Or the banning of UN organisations. Or repeated air strikes on hospitals, ambulances and first responders. Or the killing of journalists. Or the blockage of aid. Or the complete blockade of an entire strip and starvation used as a war tactic. Or ethnic cleansing (at a minimum ). All while literally tens of billions of dollars of military aid continues to flow and diplomatic cover is provided at every turn.
Much more importantly, there is almost nobody voting for Trump because they think he would be better for Palestine. They might be voting for him because they see the practical difference between the two parties being almost negligible and will therefore be voting on other issues that matter to them (as I mentioned before, like LGBT stuff).
Now as it happens, I would disagree with them on both counts (though increasingly less so ok the first). The gaslighting is really starting to piss me off though. The situation, with regards to Palestine at least, can barely get worse at this point, beyond literal concentration camps. And even then, I imagine Harris/ Biden would give them 30 days to close them down all while continuing to send arms and vetoing any condemnation at the UN.
You’re not disgusted by these comments because it is about an issue and a people you don’t care about. That’s fine. Your attempts to constantly police what others care about and think is tiring and pointless.
Part of the reason this pointless circular conversation keeps on happening is because people keep on inadvertently defending them. Just acknowledge that their policy on this is awful. That they are funding and covering up for , at the very minimum, war crimes. And then we can just talk focus on how , especially for domestic issues and our beautiful Ukrainians, Harris is genuinely infinitely better and how the orange wannabe fascist will hopefully be beaten.
When it comes to the genocide in Palestine I don't believe it matters who wins, the US will always stand by Israel no matter what.
You can reasonably argue that Harris is more likely to put in limitations on Israel than Trump is. Not nearly enough, of course, but I do believe there is a distinction. It's not too far-fetched that Trump would allow the total annexation of the West Bank, which is probably not something Harris would do. There are talks that Trump promised this, as a quid pro quo to Miriam Adelson after she donated $100 million to his campaign.
Another way to look it is who Netanyahu wants elected. Clearly Trump. Or who has the constituency where some of the voters actually care about the cause. Harris. Meanwhile, Trump uses 'Palestinian' as a slur.
The hope for slight improvement of the situation lies with electing Harris. That being said, the genocide has already happened under the Biden/Harris administration, so I can see how that rings hollow to Palestinian Americans and others affected.
I want to know who won. It could be an omen.
Punches were allegedly exchanged in ‘extraordinary’ incident that delayed plane at Heathrow for two hours
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Punches were allegedly exchanged in ‘extraordinary’ incident that delayed plane at Heathrow for two hours
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The comment of Biden is terrible, and comes in such a bad timing. It will shift the focus away of the hate rally at MSG. I understand that by “supporters” he may meant those who spoke at the rally, but he wasn’t clear, and Republicans will make the most of it. The media will follow.
Where did this guy come from?
Where did this guy come from?
Biden said nothing wrong, feck the MAGATS.
I like how they punched each other and then de escalated to just squaring up again.
It also reminds me of a funny sketch (which I’ve found to be grossly true when I’ve been in the USA, albeit as a visitor) that people with the hats tend to be nice and have a happy disposition outwardly, because the hat is doing all the shit talking for them.
Pretty sure it's gone from the news cycle tomorrow, to be fair.
You can take that right back because you know nothing about how I feel about Gaza and the plight of the Palestinians.
If you want to make an accusation like that, go search for posts I have made in the Israel - Palestine thread. Go find a post where I have "inadvertently defended" them? You will find quite the opposite from me....
And more importantly, i put my money where my mouth is and have made multiple donations towards Chef Jose Andre's World Central Kitchen to help them in providing meals to Gaza and Ukraine ....
I hope that you’re right. Trump will keep talking about it.
If we come with this approach, we will lose.
Trump talks about a lot! I'm pretty sure Biden's comments doesn't influence anyone else but those who are already Die Hard MAGA
He's approaching Hillary's "deplorables" comment, which was a tactical disaster.
This. I can't believe we are at this state again. What it does is re-energize Trump sympathisers who were on the fence for whether to vote or not. Additionally it might impact any post election escalations. Hillary was a candidate when she said it, Biden is the sitting president , he really should not be using this kind of language towards large groups in the country.
You can take that right back because you know nothing about how I feel about Gaza and the plight of the Palestinians.
If you want to make an accusation like that, go search for posts I have made in the Israel - Palestine thread. Go find a post where I have "inadvertently defended" them? You will find quite the opposite from me....
And more importantly, i put my money where my mouth is and have made multiple donations towards Chef Jose Andre's World Central Kitchen to help them in providing meals to Gaza and Ukraine ....
Fine. Let me rephrase , you’re right. Don’t care as much about the issue as others, which again is not even a criticism , especially if you are American. Kudos on the donations.
The ‘them’ in this context are the Dems. The inadvertent defending comes when any criticism is just batted away as ‘it’s not that bad’ or ‘at least trump is worse’ or ‘at least they’ll try to de escalate’, even as the situation descends into a new hell every week and month.
The second paragraph quoted there was not directed at you specifically but as a general comment to the circular conversations regarding it in this thread.
I really don't think that was her intention, at all. You are picking up on her saying "most tragic" and attributing that to mean it ranks higher than anything else.
One word you pick up on. Yet ignore the rest of the video where she repeats over and over the suffering of the Palestinian and her desire to see peace.
I agree, the Biden administration have failed the Palestinians. Bibi has been taken advantage of by Biden and America's historical support for Israel. Even more so because Bibi knows that with election close, he has Biden in a bind - if Biden comes out and criticises of even pulls support, he gets attacked by the right.
I believe that of the two choices we have, Harris has more chance of standing up to Bibi and saying enough is enough. There is clearly no love for Bibe from her, given she declined to attend his address to congress. She said the quite part out loud there.
I think Arab-amercians have a real Sophie's choice on their hands. Either vote for someone who has shown a callous support for Isreal's genocidal actions, or not engage/vote third party which risks letting a guy that would probably be worse and even more supportive of Isreal's extreme right wing agenda get elected. That choice is individual, impossible to find a simple solution to, and likely won't be made final until the last few voting hours of Election Day.
We all need to respect that, no matter how scared we all are of a Trump presidency.
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That’s a seriously dumb comment from Biden.
The other reality is that a lot of Arab Americans are socially conservative religious Christians and Muslims , who will not necessarily align with the Dems on issues like LGBT, abortion and benefits.
In the context therefore where the practical gap between the two parties in terms of support of Israel is increasingly minimal, they may be more incentivised to vote based on domestic issues that are important to them.
Ironically, if the GOP can shake off the white suprematists currently at the fore, they will likely see similar potential behaviour with African Americans, Latinos and many other minority groups.
It came from Biden though not the Harris campaign, it's just MAGA trying to distract people as usual.
The problem as the sitting VP is that she, rightly or wrongly, wears his statements and policies as well for now.
It’s unfair but the disadvantage of being the incumbent in this odd situation.
That’s my concern.
The “deplorables” comment will be played today numerous times. This comment by Biden may not only shift the discussion away of MSG, but also energize some voters of Trump.
Let’s not just dismiss things this easily. This was a bad bad comment, made in a terrible terrible timing. Whether we like it or not, the Harris campaign will be asked about it today, and more than once.
Stop getting your panties in a bunch guys, we are talking about the ones who proudly wear 'deplorable' T-shirts the last 9 year, it's not like they are waking up and being called garbage snapped them back into the cult.
If she loses it will be because of inflation and the border, not what Biden called a bunch of racist Trumpites.
If she loses it will be because of inflation and the border, not what Biden called a bunch of racist Trumpites.
I think you are judging who cares most, by who is loudest and most single minded on the topic.
Im British, living in the US with US Citizenship. I'm not burning my ballot just because Biden has allowed Bibi to enact the atrocities that he has. Im clear eyed about the alternative and believe Harris has the potential to offer a change of direction re Israel and Palestine. If it's just more of the same, im happy to admit being wrong and will be deeply disappointed in her.
If Harris does win, i would much rather her work towards finding a solution in the middle east than "resolve" any single US domestic issue. That and not giving and inch to Russia in Ukraine.
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Tracey is a nurse practitioner from Texas who voted for Trump during the last presidential election and plans to back him again
"[Trump] has definitely said things that he probably should have unsaid. I would have to shake my finger at that, especially as a woman, but I have yet to hear anything that would make me change my mind about my vote.
"I'm not voting personality. I'm voting policy. I don't have to marry the man. I don't have to deal with him. I have to deal with his policies.
"On abortion, [Harris] is not giving a gestational parameter of how late somebody can get an abortion. That cannot be-open ended. I was a NICU [neonatal intensive care unit] nurse for 17 years... I care about women's rights. I care about women. The mother is the first patient. However, that is the turn-off to me that she won't give an answer to that."
People like this are so intellectually dishonest. Harris hasn’t said how late somebody can get an abortion (likely because it would just go back to what it was before the overturn) va someone who actually facilitated the banning of abortion , despite apparently caring about the women and how the mother is the first patient.
It was a complete self own.
Now we see why Harris wanted to keep Biden in his box with a week to go.
It has overshadowed her speech last night and lets Trump pivot away from the MSG debacle.
Don’t give them the ammunition that easily though. In any case, Biden should just get the hell out of the way in this campaign. The less he is seen and heard, the better.
This.
White suprematists are not at the fore. They are the core of the GOP. That is not changing.
Trump enacted a Muslim travel ban. Trump moved the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Trump recognized Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights. He said Bibi is doing a good job and claimed Biden was holding him back. He said Bibi should "finish the job" in Gaza. Trump promised to deport pro-Palestinian protesters all while using “Palestinian” as a slur.
There will be nothing left of Gaza if Trump gets in.
”It’s close in PA,” “It’s close in WI”, “it’s close in MI”….”no room for error”…
Then: “Stop worrying” following a completely an unforced error. OK.
Then: “Stop worrying” following a completely an unforced error. OK.
Let's be real. The difference between dems and GOPs on Israel is that one side will openly and gladly let them do whatever they want and the other will let them do whatever they want but with a finger of admonishment.