I'm not so sure it's worth the time engaging...
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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I'm not so sure it's worth the time engaging...
Primarily because of fear and Trump’s seeming unpredictability.
Harris on Club Shay Shay now
Yeah, off to the Ronaldo thread.
What on earth are you on about? Trump was nothing but a kitten to Putin simpering over him at every opportunity.
Given the low response rate nowadays they probably call ~ 1% of registered voters to arrive at that sample
Why would Putin be more fearful of a guy who is easily manipulated, clearly admires Putin, and has signalled no intention to support Ukraine, instead planning to pressure them to give up land in order to secure the most unstable form of “peace” imaginable? It makes no sense.
And Putin got him elected too I suppose?
Putin ran a campaign of disinformation benefitting him. How effective it was is open to debate.
It’s all published in the Mueller report if you choose to believe it.
Exactly. It's the go to response for simple minded conservative Trump supporters. "Oh he'll stop Putin, oh he won't start any wars" yada yada. Sure!
Well we have the evidence that Trump authorised sending offensive weapons to Ukraine, but that aside you could say that he’s ‘easily manipulated’ because there’s a lot of evidence to suggest that he’s a transactional person. So what could Putin have offered him in return for turning a blind eye?
In any case Putin launched the invasion when Trump was out of office. One also has to ask the question then of whether the Russia invasion of Ukraine had a kind of inevitability to it?
Philadelphia DA sues Elon Musk and his super PAC over $1M sweepstakes
Was always coming especially after DOJ warned him this was probably illegal. Interesting take though DA is approaching it as an illegal lottery period according to state law. Would think this survives even if Trump wins as a state charge
Excellent news.
Indeed it is. It isn’t an underlying reason for why Trump has received the amount of the support that he has though, just like it wasn’t for the Brexit vote for example. These things have been stirring and simmering for a long time.
I’m familiar with it yeah.
So you accept that Putin backed Trump but you also think he would be too scared of Trump to have attacked Ukraine?
What do you think Putin’s reasons for going into Ukraine?
1) How is this relevant today when Trump has repeatedly stated his intention to withdraw arms support of Ukraine and pressure them to enter “peace” negotiations on Russia’s terms?
2) What does this mean?
3) Again, what are you saying?
I accept that the Russian state tries to interfere in elections…for their own nefarious reasons (just like we know that America has interfered in elections over the decades for their own reasons). What specific outcome they hope to achieve, beyond the obvious internal division that has resulted, is another thing though.
Whatever about his reasons…I do think that Russia has been stoked over the years, primarily by NATO expansion, into committing such actions.
Because with Trump what he says and what he actually does are often two very different things.
The evidence over the course of Trump’s life strongly suggests that he’s a transactional person. In other words he’s quid pro quo.
He may have some moral objections to America’s repeated and almost wholly disastrous military actions/interventions since the turn of the century, but I think his main objection is that he doesn’t see how it benefits him specifically, and America financially. The long term ‘interests’ of the American state are irrelevant to him.
I’m posing the question of whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine was inevitable, leaving the response to it the only thing worth debating.
He offered him Trump Tower, Moscow.
I have literally never met anyone who fits this description.
It's not just Putin having his claws into Trump. His whole backroom staff/republican party is riddled with compromised tools. RFK, Vivek, Vance, Moscow Marge are to name but few, who have expressed points that current russian regime sympathisers have parroted.
That's a topic that should be discussed in the Russia-Ukraine thread.
The Madison Square Garden rally might be the kick up the ass a lot of voters needed, because the racism, misogyny, and jingoism were off the charts.
Certainly feels like there’s a strong and pretty broad reaction to it. Reason to hope it might move some voters. It won’t have to be that many to make a difference.
Agree.
And can you imagine what these people say when the cameras are not rolling?
Yet, somehow people still want to discredit John Kelly and doubt the fact that Trump said in the Oval office that he wanted Generals like Hitlers. Or that they doubt Trump would ever call vets suckers and losers?
You have never met someone who said they don't vote because it's useless, nothing ever change, people who do are sheeps? I met one in real life as a coworker (and it was in bloody 'straya) and multiple in online chatrooms.
This was Nuremburg 2.0. Anybody who comes on here and says, "yeah, but she doesn't explain he policies well can go feck them selves.
Plus, one thing that is conveniently forgotten about Trump, Russia and the Muller report is that Bill Barr got in front of the Muller report and released his own summary a few days before that effectively said "nothing to see here, Trump is innocent". This allowed Trump and co to shout that there was no collusion and that it was all a hoax.
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118625157/doj-barr-trump-russia-investigation-memo
https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the...er-report-and-attorney-general-barrs-summary/
I’m in MD too. Heard “not voting” and “Stein”. Heard that in VA too, which is more concerning.
Interesting question. I can only answer on my impression/perspective of course. One neighbour I have I could see that being a possibility although he and his wife talk enough shit about another neighbour with a Trump flag it would be a little odd. I have a classic “boomer uncle who’s a WWII junkie” who has always been extremely loud about his political opinions now with extreme Trump/Fox fatigue. For him it’s the war in Ukraine and the MAGA stance on it. I think that’s genuine because he always is so vocal of who he supports. Honestly most of the pro Trump voters around me are pretty vocal about it. My MIL is at Facebook posts about freedom levels.
Again, Maryland so it’s pretty insignificant immediately but I doubt I’m the only one seeing it.
On the flip side I have a number of friends, mostly Arabs, possibly abstaining because of Gaza. They happen to be more in swing states too. They won’t vote Trump
Would prefer the vote to flip to Harris, but one less vote for Trump is always good.
It's MD so more about one less vote for Hogan. I think Alsobrooks is safe but Maine 2020 still gives me PTSD flare up sometimes.
It's a softball, of course, but she is quite likeable in this.
I think this and the Howard Stern interviews were her best interviews. Overall, podcasts now seem to be the new template that allow candidates to sit down with friendly interviewers to humanize themselves with audiences, which then gets sliced and diced for all the other social platforms. That's far more effective than sitting down for a CNN town hall imo.