Pritzker is also Jewish.
"Ostensibly because of his religion" is you editorialising.
I don't want him because of some of his views and because I think there are far better candidates.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris
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Pritzker is also Jewish.
"Ostensibly because of his religion" is you editorialising.
I don't want him because of some of his views and because I think there are far better candidates.
I think its more of a testament of how social media has mangled perceptions of what ordinary people actually think is important in the real world. Its pretty normal to subscribe to highly curated social media feeds that only focus on one subject and come out of that believing that said subject is the most important thing in the world. Its not really the posters fault and more so an emergent property of how technology and algos drive our thoughts and narratives.
Since when have you cared about what the numbers say? These were your responses to Biden's poor polling:
This thread is unbelievable sometimes. People making failed prediction after failed prediction and acting like they've got the finger on the pulse of the American electorate.
I think this is pretty spot on. Beyond him being a Governor of a critical state Harris needs to win, the argument isn't that Shapiro is in any way superior, its that he should be considered equally by Harris along with all the others she is seriously considering, given that there is nothing in Harris' own policy background that would justify excluding someone who she agrees with on a vast majority of policies.
And we were starting to see a shift to Biden, albeit small, up to the debate. Then it was over.
Go back further than February, I like reading my old posts. Don't stop now.
I read this post thinking it was post debate numbers you were talking about but these posts are months and months old. They don’t really make much of a point.
The other thing to take into account is that Israel is an issue rising in importance to a few segments of voters that, while small in relation to total population, are still relevant compared to the margins Biden won in swing states.
@Raoul, if I remember, you said back in November that by summer and the conventions everyone would have forgotten about Israel. I believe you said this because, like myself and many others, you believed Israel would retaliate and be out of Gaza within 2-3 months. Israel has far exceeded in duration and brutality what I think most people believed would happen back then.
So ideally, the Dems do not want someone that will bring the issue even more into the spotlight for groups like Muslims in Michigan or Gen Z potential voters in every swing state since they need the biggest turnout there they can muster.
@Raoul, if I remember, you said back in November that by summer and the conventions everyone would have forgotten about Israel. I believe you said this because, like myself and many others, you believed Israel would retaliate and be out of Gaza within 2-3 months. Israel has far exceeded in duration and brutality what I think most people believed would happen back then.
So ideally, the Dems do not want someone that will bring the issue even more into the spotlight for groups like Muslims in Michigan or Gen Z potential voters in every swing state since they need the biggest turnout there they can muster.
Anyway, I see Trump has unilaterally decided to move the debate to his safe-space, with no fact checkers and his friends as moderators. Real brave guy.
It's sh*t like that makes me just question how it's possible he reacted how he did in the asassination attempt, even though I'm 100% it was real.
It's sh*t like that makes me just question how it's possible he reacted how he did in the asassination attempt, even though I'm 100% it was real.
Its definitely dragged on much longer than expected, but seems to have completely fallen out of the media cycles at this point (same with Ukraine for the most part). Therefore, unless something unexpected happens in the next few months, the main focus will still be the economy/jobs/inflation, the border, and one or two other domestic issues.
He's obviously scared. Can't blame him given how Harris debates.
I would question whether we actually need a debate at this point. Beyond the entertainment spectacle of it all, we already know where both of them stand on all the issues, especially since she has already debated Pence and has the entire Biden policy record on her CV now.
But it hasn't fallen out of the consciousness of a few important voting blocks, relative to Bidens victory margin in 2020, in swing states and as I said, it's rising in importance even if some media are trying to keep it out of the public conversation at the moment.
And you combine that his support of vouchers, not being pro union at a critical time, and a potential cover up of a me too scandal and my conclusion is that he simply is not going to enthuse democrat voters to turn out as much as someone like Walz or Beshear.
I would have no complaints if she selects Walz, Pete, or Kelly. Beshear doesn't strike me as a national level guy.
Has there been any more Pete buzz? I think one of you posted something yesterday about a meeting between him and Harris, has there been any further rumblings or was that just an isolated shred of hope for the Pete fan club (and indeed my own anti-Pete/pro-Pete one) ?
I believe she met with him for 90 minutes yesterday and his meeting some the others over the weekend. Decision expected by Tuesday.
Going by my own view of the headlines, it looks like Beshear or Shapiro as favorites with Walz and Kelly in the tier below that. I'm not seeing a lot of Mayo Pete speculation.
Been a while since I've seen that one around! Do you think it's to blame for the horrific amount of fake tan he's on these days?
I've always thought it's a reference to his rather bland and inoffensive personality.
I’m not American but from the outside he comes across really well in interviews. His oratory skills are far better than Biden’s ever were or Harris’ are from the limited amount I’ve seen of her.
I do think that was a big part of it.
Buttiegieg is on a horrific amount of fake tan? Can't say I've noticed.
In this thread?
Hopefully she laughs in his stupid face. Agreeing to this would be madness. Muted microphones, no audience, live fact checking: that's the minimum demand.
There is only one candidate for VP who can drive the youth in endless waves to the polls, who can unite the country, bridge every divide, and that candidate is:
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The irony of all this is that it's like Harris is a hostage negotiator, and the hostages (those opposed to what Israel is doing) are fighting the person trying to save them. That they would think a second Trump administration would be anything other than an epic disaster for them is truly staggering.
There is only one candidate for VP who can drive the youth in endless waves to the polls, who can unite the country, bridge every divide, and that candidate is:
Interesting shout. She’ll have just turned 35, would be hard for anybody to become the youngest ever prez after that.
Depend on if she needs to be 35 before the election or before assuming office she either makes or misses it by a month.There is only one candidate for VP who can drive the youth in endless waves to the polls, who can unite the country, bridge every divide, and that candidate is:
I don't know. He's certainly a very effective communicator in interviews, but I don't see him as an exciting speaker at rallies or someone that can really make his mark in a debate with multiple candidates.
Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'd steer clear if I was Harris. He comes across as a bit of an elitist bureaucrat, which has become anathema to US politics in some ways. He might be from Indiana, but he screams DC.
That's someone I can get behind.There is only one candidate for VP who can drive the youth in endless waves to the polls, who can unite the country, bridge every divide, and that candidate is:
What a puss. Harris should stand her ground and call him out for his antics.
I bet you would
She should tell him he can have his Fox debate, after he shows up at ABC.
Who's words will be trusted more, i think is obvious.
George Slopadopoulos tickles me for some reason. Then I remember this guy could be the next POTUS.
The purpose is to talk about what they are passionate about. It is very literally the purpose of a forum. I agree that in certain threads, it can end up almost taking over basically but I do not actually think this is the case here, as it is more of a to and fro (and including other posts on other candidates, other policy outlooks from him), as opposed to a wall of non stop tweets.
Nobody has said it is the most important issue in this election for the majority of American voters. Literally nobody. What has been said is that it might be an important issue for a substantial portion of the Democrat base.
To say that Shapiro is being 'attacked' (as opposed to people just literally quoting stuff he himself has said and done) because of his religion is both incorrect and frankly pathetic.
He is so ridiculously pathetic. His rambling soliloquies now sound even more pathetic up alongside someone who isn't even more senile than he is.
Raoul has literally been saying essentially that in this thread?
And you come steaming in and effectively saying that any criticism of him, particularly when it comes to his stances on the conflict (in the context of him having previously made some, let's be frank, racist comments about Arabs as a 20 year old) must be anti-semitic.
As I said, in the situation where there's an Arab American called Abbas who's governor of Florida and a potential VP pick and it comes out that he's written an article years ago saying that Jews are too battle minded to accept peace, cant create a state and are essentially too violent and dumb to do so, its going to come up as a potential reason for why some groups may not be so happy about him. And this isn't anti-Arab, every politician gets stuff they've written or said before flagged the more well known they become. And it will be expected that Abbas makes some kind of comment repudiating those views (if its not a Trump like blowhard candidate).
Agreed on the unions point.
Beyond the ratings spectacle, what would be the point. She should stick to her guns that they have to debate based on previously agreed to conditions of ABC hosting. If he doesn't want to do it, then he will be perceived as the one ducking it, not her. Moving it to Fox is a non-starter since Trump is simply trying to set up a farcical 2016 type situation where he paraded all of Bill Clinton's former accusers at the debate to intimidate Hillary. There's no need for any of that nonsense this time, particularly, if Harris is in front by the debate date.