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Manchester City 3:1 Manchester United

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    el3mel said:
    How many games have we seen him play for us to evaluate him as second best passer in the team. Definitely Mata and Herrera are ahead by a long shot. Herrera has some sublime through balls and we have seen it many times here.
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    Herrera can't pass crossfield though. He's good at short one two passes and will occasionally play the through pass but doesn't happen often. If you watched periera in pre season he was pinging those crossfield passes right and left, a part of his game that is lacking in the others.
    Not saying he's better than Herrera/Mata or anything but he offers something different - a different quality and should be in contention especially moreso if pogba is missing.
     
    Mike Oxard said:
    City are a better than Juve and snatching a win from a couple of set pieces against a Juve side who are clearly better than us isn’t really grounds for confidence.
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    City only beat us at OT last season through two set pieces, and then we beat them at their ground.
     
    abdo99 said:
    Herrera can't pass crossfield though. He's good at short one two passes and will occasionally play the through pass but doesn't happen often. If you watched periera in pre season he was pinging those crossfield passes right and left, a part of his game that is lacking in the others.
    Not saying he's better than Herrera/Mata or anything but he offers something different - a different quality and should be in contention especially moreso if Pogba is missing.
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    We didn't see much of Periera either to conclude that he can do it consistently and under pressure of the opponents. Pre season is played at different pace and you can do whatever you like in it.
     
    el3mel said:
    We didn't see much of Periera either to conclude that he can do it consistently and under pressure of the opponents. Pre season is played at different pace and you can do whatever you like in it.
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    He stood out though. Very clearly. Pace has nothing to do with it. It was the same for everyone and he stood out more than the others. You have to start somewhere and after 2 years on loan and very good per season he is ready. To play more consistent when the chance arrives.
     
    Santoryo said:
    What does playing in another league has to do with someone's ability to pass the ball. Do people seriously still go on about these arguments about different leagues and use them as reasons why certain players wouldn't hack it in the PL?

    La liga is one of the top league alongside PL and he's played there for 2 years. If he was able to show his passing there, then there is no reason why he wouldn't be able to do so in England.

    It's also funny how you bring up Fred yet you're basing your argument entirely on what he did in another league.

    Apparently his passing should be ignored because he's shown it in Spain hence it doesn't count. The usual he did it in some other league therefore he can't do it in the bestest of best league that is the unmatched PL.
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    You didn't bother to read my post at all did you? Where did he play for Valencia? And as for his creative prowess, how does his creativity stand up to a player like Fred's?

    When did I even say he can't fecking pass? I said he's not the most creative passer after Pogba and he isn't starting as he's clearly not ready yet.

    Jesus wept. A player plays as a winger for Valencia for one season and suddenly we throw him in a derby in centre mid because a poster high on lovehearts claimed him to the best creator after Pogba, which isn't even statistically sound.
     
    abdo99 said:
    He stood out though. Very clearly. Pace has nothing to do with it. It was the same for everyone and he stood out more than the others. You have to start somewhere and after 2 years on loan and very good per season he is ready. To play more consistent when the chance arrives.
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    Definitely it has to do with it. It's easy to do whatever you pass you want to do when the pace is slow and there's zero pressure on you from the oppoisition players. Things become different in real competitive matches when the opponent players press you like hell and you don't have enough time to think in several situations. Whether he can do it or not is doubtful, not saying if he can or not but it's doubtful.

    Concluding that he's our second best passer while we have seen him in number of games that can be counted on both hands is a example of our serious overrating of our youngsters that usually ends badly when we discover that he's good but as ridiculously good as we were thinking him to be.
     
    el3mel said:
    Definitely it has to do with it. It's easy to do whatever you pass you want to do when the pace is slow and there's zero pressure on you from the oppoisition players. Things become different in real competitive matches when the opponent players press you like hell and you don't have enough time to think in several situations. Whether he can do it or not is doubtful, not saying if he can or not but it's doubtful.

    Concluding that he's our second best passer while we have seen him in number of games that can be counted on both hands is a example of our serious overrating of our youngsters that usually ends badly when we discover that he's good but as ridiculously good as we were thinking him to be.
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    If pogba had the same pre season (and he a good one last year) we'd all be saying "normal" and he's "head and shoulders" above everyone but because it's a lesser known player the pace is different and you can do whatever you like? The kid is clearly talented and I remember everyone saying he could be like new signing. regarding whether or not he can handle the pressure is something we don't know yet but then mctominay got plenty of chances and didn't really add anything new so there's no reason why a much superior player can't do it.
     
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    abdo99 said:
    If Pogba had the same pre season (and he a good one last year) we'd all be saying "normal" and he's "head and shoulders" above everyone but because it's a lesser known player the pace is different and you can do whatever you like? The kid is clearly talented and I remember everyone saying he could be like new signing. regarding whether or not he can handle the pressure is something we don't know yet but then McTominay got plenty of chances and didn't really add anything new so there's no reason why a much superior player can't do it.
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    Pogba has been doing these passes in Serie A and Premier League for years. This comparison is weird.

    I don't remember me saying he's not talented. Good player, with potential of becoming very good, but the way some talk about him I get the feeling he's the second coming of Iniesta. We need to put our judgement of young players into perspective so that they don't feel to meet the ridiculous expectations we put fo them as Rashford. Good and talented player, but definitely not the second best passer in the squad. That's stretching it.
     
    abdo99 said:
    If Pogba had the same pre season (and he a good one last year) we'd all be saying "normal" and he's "head and shoulders" above everyone but because it's a lesser known player the pace is different and you can do whatever you like? The kid is clearly talented and I remember everyone saying he could be like new signing. regarding whether or not he can handle the pressure is something we don't know yet but then McTominay got plenty of chances and didn't really add anything new so there's no reason why a much superior player can't do it.
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    Have McTominay and Pereira not started 2 league games each?...
     
    haram said:
    City only beat us at OT last season through two set pieces, and then we beat them at their ground.
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    Guardiola mourinho derbies

    United 1- 2 City
    United 1-0 City league cup
    City 0-0 United

    United 1-2 City
    City 2-3 United

    Never more than a goal in it. 2 wins each 1 draw.
     
    Class of 63 said:
    Fully expect Mourinho to pick this side today providing Pogba is available:

    De Gea
    Young Smalling Lindelof Shaw
    Fellaini Matic Pogba
    Lingard Alexis Martial​

    Far from ideal but should be good enough to get at least a point.
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    Perhaps play with 4 CM's with Herrera in for Lingard. Feast from De Gea's kicks with Fellaini winning every ball.
     
    Class of 63 said:
    Fully expect Mourinho to pick this side today providing Pogba is available:

    De Gea
    Young Smalling Lindelof Shaw
    Fellaini Matic Pogba
    Lingard Alexis Martial​

    Far from ideal but should be good enough to get at least a point.
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    We'd need some energy and runners in that midfield.
     
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    VP89 said:
    You didn't bother to read my post at all did you? Where did he play for Valencia? And as for his creative prowess, how does his creativity stand up to a player like Fred's?

    When did I even say he can't fecking pass? I said he's not the most creative passer after Pogba and he isn't starting as he's clearly not ready yet.

    Jesus wept. A player plays as a winger for Valencia for one season and suddenly we throw him in a derby in centre mid because a poster high on lovehearts claimed him to the best creator after Pogba, which isn't even statistically sound.
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    I think Pereira created over 50 chances - the most of La Liga U21 players - in his single season with Granada.
    I didn't watch Fred much in Ukraine, but I doubt he'd be able to match that - although I stand to be corrected. One does not need to see Pereira in the EPL or with the Man Utd first team to figure out his qualities. I don't think anyone is saying he's better than Fred, Herrera or Mata, just that he possesses qualities that might be vital against City if Pogba is unavailable.
     
    Class of 63 said:
    Fully expect Mourinho to pick this side today providing Pogba is available:

    De Gea
    Young Smalling Lindelof Shaw
    Fellaini Matic Pogba
    Lingard Alexis Martial​

    Far from ideal but should be good enough to get at least a point.
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    I heard he wasn't in the named squad and didn't travel with the team. I'm banking on him not playing sadly.

    I'd love Herrera to start. He loves big games and always does well in them, he's a real leader too and loves the club. We need that kind of passion on the field.

    Fred too. Matic hasn't been good the past few games, looked lethargic and lazy. City will run rings around him, Fred at least shows a bit of urgency about him and has been disciplined at the back.

    If I was the manager I'd be concentrating most attacks through Mendy. He's a loose cannon and prone to mistakes and has a card in him.

    Just no idea what way it's going to go. Expecting a loss though so meh...
     
    I would love it if Pogba and Mourinho's relationship has come to a stage where they conspire together to fake a Pogba injury only to trick City. Pogba is "out" only to come in and score from an offside position to win the game, Saint Pep would lose his shit.
     
    I no longer know what to expect. Kudos to Mourinho if he continues trying to play football against City though. Wouldn't mind if we put in a cohesive and assertive performance and lost, that would be progress in the right direction.
     
    Only hours to kick off now and this thing's like a slow moving Cuban missile crisis. I'm stockpiling excuses.
     
    Pogba is not in the squad.

    It’s going to be ugly...
     
    Mike Oxard said:
    But they outplayed us for 170 of the 180 minutes played.
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    Retaining the ball does not win matches.

    Think you're missing a great part of being a football fan, managing to beat a better team after being up against it for the majority of the game is a wonderful experience. Hanging onto statistics is just a sad way to go about things... Live in the moment and enjoy the winning contributions.
     
    If Pogba really is out, I'd want Lingard in there somehow to link midfield and attack. With Sanchez' wayward passing and Mata's lack of pace or strength, he's really the only person to do it who doesn't risk messing things up.

    De Gea
    Young Smalling Lindelof Shaw
    Herrera Matic
    Lingard
    Rashford Lukaku Martial
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    Fellaini should definitely be involved at some point of course but start him in midfield and we'll be letting them have all the possession much earlier than is sensible. Of course we have to expect them to keep a lot of ball but you have to make them earn it first.

    Any doubt at all about Lukaku's sharpness and Sanchez should start instead. Lukaku's hardly been setting the world alight recently anyway and he struggles in games where he gets as little possession as he's likely to here.
     
    Brightonian said:
    If Pogba really is out, I'd want Lingard in there somehow to link midfield and attack. With Sanchez' wayward passing and Mata's lack of pace or strength, he's really the only person to do it who doesn't risk messing things up.

    De Gea
    Young Smalling Lindelof Shaw
    Herrera Matic
    Lingard
    Rashford Lukaku Martial
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    Fellaini should definitely be involved at some point of course but start him in midfield and we'll be letting them have all the possession much earlier than is sensible. Of course we have to expect them to keep a lot of ball but you have to make them earn it first.

    Any doubt at all about Lukaku's sharpness and Sanchez should start instead. Lukaku's hardly been setting the world alight recently anyway and he struggles in games where he gets as little possession as he's likely to here.
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    Why would you drop sanchez after one of his best games for us for lukaku who is horribly out of form? Especially if our most creative player is out.
     
    nokillingmoths said:
    Why would you drop Sanchez after one of his best games for us for Lukaku who is horribly out of form? Especially if our most creative player is out.
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    That's probably a fair point, I'm not entirely sure. Just please please can Sanchez try and make some of his passes connect with their actual targets?
     
    Massive game. City are slaughtering teams at the minute. We need to play a physical game. Defend well and keep it 0-0 by half-time. I fully expect us to be dominated in terms of possession. Then come out in the second half and plan a smash and grab. Herrera and Mata have to start. Back four picks itself. I fear if Fellaini starts from the beginning, he will get sent off. So probably Herrera, Pogba, and Matic/Fred. Front 3 of Martial, Sanchez and Mata. Rashford and Lingard to come on in the second half.
     
    Counting down to kick-off. These are the sort of games that you live for. Just hope we put in a good showing. If we can win, it'll really kickstart our season. Lose and it's all over.
     
    On a paper, they are vastly superior all over the pitch and on the bench.

    Vastly.

    But I’m hoping we give them a tough time.
     
    Mike Oxard said:
    City are a better than Juve and snatching a win from a couple of set pieces against a Juve side who are clearly better than us isn’t really grounds for confidence.
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    You are saying this because we beat Juve. "If MUFC can beat Juve, they must be crap".
    If/when Juve play MCFC, we will find out, but until then, that is conjecture. IMO, Juve, Barca and PSG are the favourites for the CL, while MCFC are 1 tier below those clubs.
    Juve in the CL rarely lose.

    There is a narrative, which I am noticing on this forum:
    1, Before we play a team, they are a great team, unbeaten in x matches and have a great manager.
    2, We play them and beat them. That team is then branded crap, mid-table, etc.

    I noticed this with Bournemouth and now Juve. Although we did not beat them, I noticed the same thing with CFC (before the match, they were going to beat us 4-0), then after the match, "they aren't actually that good".

    I am not saying that we will win against MCFC, in their home stadium, but what I am saying is that the teams we have beaten are actually pretty good, with Juve being the best of them. It just so happens that we have recovered from our early season meltdown (which IMO, was Jose's fault). I think it also helps that for the first time since he joined us, Jose is now behaving like Jose used to. And when Jose behaves like he used to, Jose tends to win a lot of trophies. Perhaps it needed us to hit rock bottom (10th place, a few weeks back), for our team/manager to get their act together.
     
    sunama said:
    You are saying this because we beat Juve. "If MUFC can beat Juve, they must be crap".
    If/when Juve play MCFC, we will find out, but until then, that is conjecture. IMO, Juve, Barca and PSG are the favourites for the CL, while MCFC are 1 tier below those clubs.
    Juve in the CL rarely lose.

    There is a narrative, which I am noticing on this forum:
    1, Before we play a team, they are a great team, unbeaten in x matches and have a great manager.
    2, We play them and beat them. That team is then branded crap, mid-table, etc.

    I noticed this with Bournemouth and now Juve. Although we did not beat them, I noticed the same thing with CFC (before the match, they were going to beat us 4-0), then after the match, "they aren't actually that good".

    I am not saying that we will win against MCFC, in their home stadium, but what I am saying is that the teams we have beaten are actually pretty good, with Juve being the best of them. It just so happens that we have recovered from our early season meltdown (which IMO, was Jose's fault). I think it also helps that for the first time since he joined us, Jose is now behaving like Jose used to. And when Jose behaves like he used to, Jose tends to win a lot of trophies. Perhaps it needed us to hit rock bottom (10th place, a few weeks back), for our team/manager to get their act together.
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    This forum loves talking up Watford before we play them away. Not a peep about them every other week though.
    They'll preach about how difficult the game will be then criticise us when it turns out to be a difficult game.
    Spot on buddy.
     
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