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Manchester City 3:1 Manchester United

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    Mike Oxard said:
    But they [MCFC] outplayed us for 170 of the 180 minutes played.
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    They did?
    They played so well that we put 3 goals passed them in the 2nd half of 1 game. Something that MCFC were not able to do against us, last season.
    I think that you are in awe of St Pep and his expensively put together team, my friend. They are great team, but perhaps not quite as good as you are making out.
     
    "Chelsea will maul us"
    "Juventus will batter us"
    "City will pummel us"

    Just shut the feck up for Christ sakes.
     
    sunama said:
    They did?
    They played so well that we put 3 goals passed them in the 2nd half of 1 game. Something that MCFC were not able to do against us, last season.
    I think that you are in awe of St Pep and his expensively put together team, my friend. They are great team, but perhaps not quite as good as you are making out.
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    That's a super simplistic way of looking at things. That would be the equal of saying "hey we've beaten the best team in the country, that means we're the best team now".

    You gotta take into consideration every aspect of the game, not just the result. I'm assuming you did watch both matches and you're well aware that they had created so many chances and it was only thanks to their poor finishing and DDG we didn't concede a heluva lot more goals against them.
     
    Santoryo said:
    "Chelsea will maul us"
    "Juventus will batter us"
    "City will pummel us"

    Just shut the feck up for Christ sakes.
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    Normally I'd agree, but City are in the business of battering teams and are a much better team than City and a lot more clinical than Juve. If we don't start quickly, we could be in for a long day.
     
    BTW since lately majority of our goals has come from set pieces, does that mean that the Pulisization of Manchester United is complete?
     
    PoTMS said:
    Normally I'd agree, but City are in the business of battering teams and are a much better team than City and a lot more clinical than Juve. If we don't start quickly, we could be in for a long day.
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    City are so good they are much better than themselves! ;)
     
    sunama said:
    You are saying this because we beat Juve. "If MUFC can beat Juve, they must be crap".
    If/when Juve play MCFC, we will find out, but until then, that is conjecture. IMO, Juve, Barca and PSG are the favourites for the CL, while MCFC are 1 tier below those clubs.
    Juve in the CL rarely lose.

    There is a narrative, which I am noticing on this forum:
    1, Before we play a team, they are a great team, unbeaten in x matches and have a great manager.
    2, We play them and beat them. That team is then branded crap, mid-table, etc.

    I noticed this with Bournemouth and now Juve. Although we did not beat them, I noticed the same thing with CFC (before the match, they were going to beat us 4-0), then after the match, "they aren't actually that good".

    I am not saying that we will win against MCFC, in their home stadium, but what I am saying is that the teams we have beaten are actually pretty good, with Juve being the best of them. It just so happens that we have recovered from our early season meltdown (which IMO, was Jose's fault). I think it also helps that for the first time since he joined us, Jose is now behaving like Jose used to. And when Jose behaves like he used to, Jose tends to win a lot of trophies. Perhaps it needed us to hit rock bottom (10th place, a few weeks back), for our team/manager to get their act together.
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    There is no doubt that Wednesday’s win was fantastic and Juve are a ‘proper’ outfit. However, we are deluding ourselves if we think that Juve were anything other than the better side on Wednesday and usually, the better side wins. That’s why we dominated the Premiership for so long, because more often than not, we were the better side. Today, like most Utd fans, I’d take a draw now, because City are very likely to be the better side. As it happens, I think we have more of a chance at their place than at OT where usually these days they outplay us.
     
    PoTMS said:
    Normally I'd agree, but City are in the business of battering teams and are a much better team than City and a lot more clinical than Juve. If we don't start quickly, we could be in for a long day.
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    City might beat us which is actually quite the likely scenario(though I'm obviously hoping for an upset) but they aren't battering us. They destroyed garbage teams and that's that, doesn't mean they'd just show up and wreck us apart.

    People going over the top is what's annoying and idiotic.
     
    Fracture90 said:
    BTW since lately majority of our goals has come from set pieces, does that mean that the Pulisization of Manchester United is complete?
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    I can't think of our last set piece goal before Juve. We're dog shit on set pieces.
     
    Fracture90 said:
    That's a super simplistic way of looking at things. That would be the equal of saying "hey we've beaten the best team in the country, that means we're the best team now".

    You gotta take into consideration every aspect of the game, not just the result. I'm assuming you did watch both matches and you're well aware that they had created so many chances and it was only thanks to their poor finishing and DDG we didn't concede a heluva lot more goals against them.
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    City surprisingly created few chances at OT.
     
    I have a bad feeling about this game for some reason.

    I hope I'm wrong and we beat the bastards again.
     
    Mike Oxard said:
    City are a better than Juve and snatching a win from a couple of set pieces against a Juve side who are clearly better than us isn’t really grounds for confidence.
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    Absolutely love red cafe these days. Last week Juve were one of the best European squads ever and now we have beaten them they are crap. And set piece goals are morally inferior :rolleyes:
     
    Fracture90 said:
    Still those few were a lot more than we have created.
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    We scored one and missed a sitter. They scored from two set pieces (one being a Lukaku error)
    In terms of clear chances I'd say it was even, Utd even being slightly ahead since are corners etc chances?
    David had nothing to do all game
     
    When we will know if Pogba going to play this or not? Hope he is okay we do really need him.
     
    cyberman said:
    We scored one and missed a sitter. They scored from two set pieces (one being a Lukaku error)
    In terms of clear chances I'd say it was even, Utd even being slightly ahead since are corners etc chances?
    David had nothing to do all game
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    How da fek are corners automatically considered to be chances? In case you missed it (which you did) I didn't exactly specify in which game it was down to DDG and which was down to poor finishing...

    Have you even watched either of those games? City were a better team in all those games, actually you can even make a strong case for the Carling Cup game where we went with a very strong 11, bordering starting 11 whilst they mixed it up.
     
    cyberman said:
    We scored one and missed a sitter. They scored from two set pieces (one being a Lukaku error)
    In terms of clear chances I'd say it was even, Utd even being slightly ahead since are corners etc chances?
    David had nothing to do all game
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    United created the best chance from open play in that game. It's nonsense to say we were outplayed. Lukaku lost us that game, plain and simple. He made mistakes on both set pieces and also missed a sitter. It wasn't any tactical error on our part.
     
    Fracture90 said:
    How da fek are corners automatically considered to be chances? In case you missed it (which you did) I didn't exactly specify in which game it was down to DDG and which was down to poor finishing...

    Have you even watched either of those games? City were a better team in all those games, actually you can even make a strong case for the Carling Cup game where we went with a very strong 11, bordering starting 11 whilst they mixed it up.
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    Well in a post where you argued against a poster saying we weren't outplayed or destroyed for 180 mins you said this

    'm assuming you did watch both matches and you're well aware that they had created so many chances and it was only thanks to their poor finishing and DDG we didn't concede a heluva lot more goals against them.
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    The word both stands out. I only asked if corners should be considered a chance since City scored the opening goal at OT from one and then score a second with a mistake from a set piece.
    They weren't creating chances to miss. Pep even brought on a defender for Jesus early in the second half and fecked about with the ball in midfield.
    If they didn't create chances at OT. Hardly created anything in the second half at the Etihad, you're pinning the entire premise of your post on the prior 45 minutes of that game.
    Its also worth noting that we scored more goals from open play in the Derbys last year than they did.
     
    jmaggio said:
    Absolutely love red cafe these days. Last week Juve were one of the best European squads ever and now we have beaten them they are crap. And set piece goals are morally inferior :rolleyes:
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    Wait until we get told that Crystal Palace are more dangerous than City if the latter don't batter us.
     
    I am always optimistic before every Utd game - think the last time I felt that we had little chance was the last final against that Barca team in the final! This city side are better than last year’s version. They are a lot more clinical and the best team in the league so far. But in derbies, it’s always an odd bit of luck for you or against you that decides the outcome. We need to keep it tight and not concede early. I think we have just as a good a chance of winning as they do.
     
    Any news on Pogba?
    Fracture90 said:
    How da fek are corners automatically considered to be chances? In case you missed it (which you did) I didn't exactly specify in which game it was down to DDG and which was down to poor finishing...

    Have you even watched either of those games? City were a better team in all those games, actually you can even make a strong case for the Carling Cup game where we went with a very strong 11, bordering starting 11 whilst they mixed it up.
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    Come on now, it's so opinion based. Surely you can realise that?

    City play a 'nicer' brand of football. People who like this style will watch the games and say City dominated. Fair enough.

    However, José and his team are going to go into a match against City and know that City will dominate the ball. So, their entire gameplan is based around being organised and making the most of it when we do get to create chances. If you know your strengths and utilise them, then I can't see how this means we are getting totally outplayed for 170/180 minutes or whatever you say. It's just the way we play.

    I doubt there are many teams in world football that will go toe-to-toe with City because it very rarely works. But, I don't think this means teams are getting totally outplayed for 80 minutes of the 90 either. It's difficult to say a team is the better team on 'base of play' because the best team wins the match.
     
    cyberman said:
    Well in a post where you argued against a poster saying we weren't outplayed or destroyed for 180 mins you said this


    The word both stands out. I only asked if corners should be considered a chance since City scored the opening goal at OT from one and then score a second with a mistake from a set piece.
    They weren't creating chances to miss. Pep even brought on a defender for Jesus early in the second half and fecked about with the ball in midfield.
    If they didn't create chances at OT. Hardly created anything in the second half at the Etihad, you're pinning the entire premise of your post on the prior 45 minutes of that game.
    Its also worth noting that we scored more goals from open play in the Derbys last year than they did.
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    Yep, "both" is the key word, I said both as a whole because 180 minutes = 2 games, whilst you focused on the loss we suffered for whatever reason you had to do so. So you consider corners to be chances? I suppose they are a good opportunity to put a ball into a dangerous area but I was referring to more of a clear chances where a player actually has a ball in good position close to opposition goal.

    Listen instead of trying to rewrite history, you can just go back and re-watch last season's games, or extended highlights for that matter and see for yourself that the City were a better team in both games, they have created more chances and looked overall more dangerous, whilst we mainly pondered on our half.
     
    Fracture90 said:
    Yep, "both" is the key word, I said both as a whole because 180 minutes = 2 games, whilst you focused on the loss we suffered for whatever reason you had to do so. So you consider corners to be chances? I suppose they are a good opportunity to put a ball into a dangerous area but I was referring to more of a clear chances where a player actually has a ball in good position close to opposition goal.

    Listen instead of trying to rewrite history, you can just go back and re-watch last season's games, or extended highlights for that matter and see for yourself that the City were a better team in both games, they have created more chances and looked overall more dangerous, whilst we mainly pondered on our half.
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    I think you might need to go and re-watch the games, especially the game at OT. City barely caused us any problems and we shot ourselves in the foot with woeful set piece defending. The only time you could say that outplayed us was the first half at the Etihad, and even then saying they played for every single minute of the half would be hyperbole. City did not come close to outplaying us for 170 our of 180 minutes last season, they didn't even have the ball for long enough to do that!
     
    Fracture90 said:
    BTW since lately majority of our goals has come from set pieces, does that mean that the Pulisization of Manchester United is complete?
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    We're poor at both attacking and defending corners, I'd say we're some way off right now.
     
    Really can't see us winning this. Would love it if we could do a classic smash and grab though.

    It's a shame to be playing them now when we're just getting some confidence and needing the 3 points.
     
    El Zoido said:
    Reports are he hasn’t travelled. I don’t think he’ll play.
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    Well if he hasn’t travelled with the squad, there’s no way he will make it at this late hour.
     
    I’ve never seen us 7/1 to win a PL game. Struggling to think of any game where we’ve been at those odds. Maybe vs Pep’s Bayern?
     
    Pexbo said:
    Well if he hasn’t travelled with the squad, there’s no way he will make it at this late hour.
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    I know it’s only down the road, but if a player isn’t involved with the rest of the matchday squad it usually means they’re not part of it. If it’s true he’s not with them I’m 99% certain he won’t be playing.
     
    Remember my friends that each game has it's own story so anything can happen! :)
     
    Jazz said:
    Really can't see us winning this. Would love it if we could do a classic smash and grab though.

    It's a shame to be playing them now when we're just getting some confidence and needing the 3 points.
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    Better now than when we were playing with no confidence!
     
    Fluctuation0161 said:
    Better now than when we were playing with no confidence!
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    Yeah I know:)

    What we shouldn't do is let our season go to shit based off of this result. It's happened the last couple of years, we were doing ok, and then we lose to them and followed it up with a loss. Can't afford that this time around as the season doesn't end after 1 game, no matter how massive it is.
     
    Judging by the banter and bickering I've read before me, it seems we are all getting wound up and excited by this important derby match, which is the way it should be.
    I think if Mourinho can stick to the same team as our previous 3 or 4 matches then we have got a chance. Please dont put Lukaku back yet, the forwards are performing much better without him and he doesnt contribute anything to our defence, unlike Sanchez.
    I'm not so sure about Lingard, he's either on form or right off it and would prefer Herrera because he is more effective
    at marking and defensive duties.
    I'm going for a win or a draw if we stick with the same team.
    ps We have got to play Fellaini either to start or at start of the second half, we need his height, strength and desire in this game, sorry to fellaini haters.
     
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