I would like to see that as well.
Name a reserve player you think could play 20 games a season at this level?
Darron Gibson - is he good enough for Everton?
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I was gonna say Norwood, sorry poor wum by me lol
Name a reserve player you think could play 20 games a season at this level?
Im sure any old tom dick and harry could do a good job at standing around being completely useless.
Name a reserve player you think could play 20 games a season at this level?
Then the answer is simple, we need a new manager, this clown obviously has no real talent when it comes to developing youth.
I have seen very similar things written by on here about both Fletcher and about O'Shay -- if he needs replacing or we have better then Fergie will replace him as he always does.
Above is why I spend so little time on RedCafe these days, one line rubbish, I disagreed with Amolbhatia but he put forward a reasoned arguement.
fletcher was exactly the same as gibson.
not ever going to be good enough, but just filled the bench and was decent enough for that.
fletcher now has turned into an important team member.
but gibson offers little to the team. he sits in the background, and just offloads for other players to do somthing.
not ever going to be good enough, but just filled the bench and was decent enough for that.
fletcher now has turned into an important team member.
but gibson offers little to the team. he sits in the background, and just offloads for other players to do somthing.
Thats awesome, he also holds down the circle button a bit too hard.
Special Joystick just for Gibbo.
Nah, we could definitely see that Fletcher had potential, and he really stood out against the bigsides where he was the destroyer for Roy Keane and Scholes to play, it was his attitude, stamina and ability to play which made him stand out, you can hardly see Gibson try to close down an opponent, or show off the qualities that Fletcher did. I can hardly see the relation there.
I'm not a massive Gibson hater, but I'm losing my patience to keep defending him when all he does is just trying to be invisible and not cause an error and hardly puts an effort in when playing...
He should be in desparate mode now but yet he still plays the same as he did with no improvement imo.
Or SAF would have just played O'Shea in the middle with the twins at fullback.
I'm convinced without him in our squad this year, we'd have less points. That's vital in my book.
Gibson has done nothing that JOS couldn't have done as a central midfielder. Average player that will be sold this summer.
And then what happens if we need to play JOS as a full back? Or in CB?
Few posts from Garethw.
On Saha:
On Ronaldo
As for his predictions on whose here next year:
On Saha:
On Ronaldo
On Park
On Valencia
As for his predictions on whose here next year:
So yeah, I'll take your views on Gibson with a pinch of salt. He might well be sold this summer, he might well go onto be a fantastic Man United player. Let's not write him off to soon.
ok squad player, need someone to come in and out and keep the other players fresh, hes not totally shit, hes just very average, but you need them kind of players in the squad (obviously)
We use Wes Brown.
Would have been a massive use against Everton at left back.
If playing Wes Brown at RB, John O'Shea in CM and Fabio at left back against Everton would get the same result, why did he not just do that? Why not just sell Gibson?
Fact is we've got games three days apart, we're missing vital players (Scholes and Fletcher and Hargo) we need to rotate our CM's. Thankfully Gibson's here to keep us ticking over.
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not his biggest fan, but id never give him that sort of abuse.
Can't even handle twitter
"fans" eh
koking?Can't even handle twitter
The feck? Why would he get abuse?
With game time he will develop somewhere! Maybe not here. Seems like a good level headed kid also. People on here shite on about Tunnicliffe deserves a chance over Gibson yet Gibson was Young player of the year when he played in the reserves. He could well become a good player yet Some fans never learn and knock any young player that hasnt made the grade yet as being rubbish.
Because he's not very good?
It's very cruel coming from United fans but he's a professional footballer who's going to have a very decent career so don't think he's going to lose that much sleep over it. Surely he's aware that he's out of his depth at United already.
It's very cruel coming from United fans but he's a professional footballer who's going to have a very decent career so don't think he's going to lose that much sleep over it. Surely he's aware that he's out of his depth at United already.
I don't rate him at all, but you've got to feel for the lad
when all are healthy and on form he's good enough to be 5th choice , not many clubs have that sort of depth. (maybe 6th if saf plays giggs there).I don't rate him at all, but you've got to feel for the lad
So?
Any supporter who dishes abuse out abuse towards players of his own club , other than maybe in the heat of the moment, needs to look in the mirror really.
On the contrary I think he'd have been a bit more positive about his United future in recent weeks since he's started to get back in the team (as many league starts this month as in the previous 7 combined) and looked comfortable.
Forget form. No need to abuse your own players. Whether it's Giggs or the Djembas.
I'm convinced without Evans we'd have less points. But it doesn't mean he hasn't had a very poor season. Your logic is flawed.
Well, if Gibson takes this in an optimistic way, the fans do give the abuse because they expect better things from him, it means he hasn't done enough and hopefully he'll use that to motiviate and keep working harder...
For starters, he could really try to improve his work rate and defense first, make an impression on the fans for working his socks off like that Bayern game where he scored.
For starters, he could really try to improve his work rate and defense first, make an impression on the fans for working his socks off like that Bayern game where he scored.
The idea that Gibson 'doesn't do anything' during games simply isn't supported by a great deal of evidence. I've argued about confirmation bias before in relation to Carrick, and how we are all prone to seeing and believing what we want and expect to, often based on prior experience of what we have read or heard, rather than what actually happens.
This usually manifests itself with our being overtly aware (often to the point of disgust) of every little mistake that is made by the players who we aren't sure of, while at the same time, rationalizing dozens of mistakes, some of which can be glaring and costly, by other players.
If we compare Gibson's passing statistics to those of the other central midfield players, it is clear that there is nothing particularly remarkable about his performance (either good or bad):
Gibson: TP = 422, SP = 358, S% = 84.8%, M = 648, TPM = 1.54
Fletcher: TP = 1346, SP = 1120, S% = 83.2%, M = 2018, TPM = 1.5
Carrick: TP = 1234, SP = 1068, S% = 86.5%, M = 1710, TPM = 1.39
Scholes: TP = 1209, SP = 1082, S% = 89.5%, M = 1418, TPM = 1.17
Giggs: TP = 780, SP = 513, S% = 65.8%, M = 1498, TPM = 1.92
Anderson: TP = 608, SP = 499, S% = 82.1%, M = 1044, TPM = 1.72
(Total Passing = TP, Successful Passing = SP, Success Percentage = S%, Minutes = M, Total Passing per Minute = TPM)
Of course, these statistics are only a small snap-shot of what makes a successful player, and it is entirely reasonable to believe that even a player with the best statistics is not suitable or good enough for the team based on other factors.
But what these statistics do show is that, in relation to the most important role that a central midfielder is expected to fulfill -- general usage of the ball (as opposed to creation of chances) -- Gibson is well within the bounds of normality, both for United and that of most other teams and players.
None of this argues against a subjective impression of the players overall contribution or ability, but it does show that the frequent assertion that he goes missing, hides, and/or doesn't contribute anything during games, is simply not true, and further, that much of the general criticism would need to be explored more fully for it to be entirely credible.
I suspect that at least some of the criticism is a result of people wishing that we had a player that performed a different role, and that they find it difficult to completely detach that opinion from their analysis of the performance of the players that we do have.
This usually manifests itself with our being overtly aware (often to the point of disgust) of every little mistake that is made by the players who we aren't sure of, while at the same time, rationalizing dozens of mistakes, some of which can be glaring and costly, by other players.
If we compare Gibson's passing statistics to those of the other central midfield players, it is clear that there is nothing particularly remarkable about his performance (either good or bad):
Gibson: TP = 422, SP = 358, S% = 84.8%, M = 648, TPM = 1.54
Fletcher: TP = 1346, SP = 1120, S% = 83.2%, M = 2018, TPM = 1.5
Carrick: TP = 1234, SP = 1068, S% = 86.5%, M = 1710, TPM = 1.39
Scholes: TP = 1209, SP = 1082, S% = 89.5%, M = 1418, TPM = 1.17
Giggs: TP = 780, SP = 513, S% = 65.8%, M = 1498, TPM = 1.92
Anderson: TP = 608, SP = 499, S% = 82.1%, M = 1044, TPM = 1.72
(Total Passing = TP, Successful Passing = SP, Success Percentage = S%, Minutes = M, Total Passing per Minute = TPM)
Of course, these statistics are only a small snap-shot of what makes a successful player, and it is entirely reasonable to believe that even a player with the best statistics is not suitable or good enough for the team based on other factors.
But what these statistics do show is that, in relation to the most important role that a central midfielder is expected to fulfill -- general usage of the ball (as opposed to creation of chances) -- Gibson is well within the bounds of normality, both for United and that of most other teams and players.
None of this argues against a subjective impression of the players overall contribution or ability, but it does show that the frequent assertion that he goes missing, hides, and/or doesn't contribute anything during games, is simply not true, and further, that much of the general criticism would need to be explored more fully for it to be entirely credible.
I suspect that at least some of the criticism is a result of people wishing that we had a player that performed a different role, and that they find it difficult to completely detach that opinion from their analysis of the performance of the players that we do have.
Those stats don't tell you much. I see a very limited player and I call it that way. Don't need stat percentages to tell me whether he's good or bad.
Well yes he could use it positively. But I was focusing on the supposed 'fans'. Pathetic thing to do IMO.
I have to admit it, he is no Xavi or Iniesta, but he is still OUR player. I dont have any quarrel if we discuss about his performances between us and give him a good whack while at it. But to tell it straight to him? That's cruel. Lambasting him is like us not trusting Fergie. I am sure Fergie will use the hairdryer treatment whenever Gibson plays badly. Let Fergie and the coaches do their job and there's no need for direct abuses from us fans directly to him really.
What they did was embarassing to all United fans.
What they did was embarassing to all United fans.
Agree, those supposed "fans" should go and wank themselves.
Giggs has a 20% less successful pass rate than Gibson eh
And we're meant to read into this what?
I read that they're a pile of toss and a waste of time
And we're meant to read into this what?
I read that they're a pile of toss and a waste of time
You know who had the best passing rating in the league last season?
Denilson. Did him much good.
He won that award how many years ago? People often compare it to fletcher but fletcher was played out of position. He could become a good player, but so could anyone that pulls on the red shirt. I agree he shouldn't get that abuse. I would love Sir Alex on twitter. That'd be class. I can only imagine the shite people would twitter
I don't think you should mention Tunnicliffe as an example btw because there's nothing wrong with him, he's just young. Gibsons 23 and really it's up to him to prove people wrong by working harder in training. I can tell you for a fact, if Gibson was in our reserves right now, he wouldn't win player of the year. That's not a slur. He just isn't that influencial. I don't think he's bad but when it comes to midfield, I think we're pretty blessed at youth level.