[Brand Nubian]

Based on what exactly? The guy looked distraught when he last got injured.


What exactly are you suggesting he does? Are you another fan wanting him to donate money to the multi-billionaire Glazers?
Also, doesn't sound like you're capable of goodwill.

Yeah that was me I now see your reaction to my older post.

Luke Shaw donating a part of his wages to the Academy or/and low paid staff ON TOP of the budget allocated by the club is not "giving money to the multi-billionaire Glazers".

Think you´ve mistaken it with a "salary cap" which some people have (wrongly) suggested. In my mind, those savings on reduced wages would go straight into owners/shareholders pockets. Which is wrong as we see many PL players from poor backrounds from all over the world donating big chunk of their fortune to their local communities etc. Very much doubt the Glazers or Henrys would part with such a high proportion of their wealth to help others.

Its still a fantasy though, a player willingly agreeing to reduce their contract (or a "pay as you play" deal nonsense). That said I´ve seen Sadio Mané financing the built of new hospital in Africa, crazy Adebayor doing simillar, and many other examples. Just have a feeling the likes of Shaw or Sancho dont give a sh*t about stuff like that. Correct me if Im wrong.

 

[Sunny Jim]

I dont know when when hes fit and that but im sure he will be injured again by the end of the season.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I see the chunky unicorn is still able to convince folk he’s the best Lb/LCB at the club, despite not playing for a year. The level of support he gets on the Caf for doing the square root of zero is impressive. If he wasn’t English, he’d be getting slaughtered on here.
I question his professionalism in getting and maintaining his fitness. Never looks in shape (Rooney never but he was mostly available and brilliant at times), even when playing.

It’s got nothing to do with his nationality. Just bin that sort of rubbish.

The last contract we gave him was a disaster, and we are going to have to live with that, because there’s no realistic way he departs before the contract expires.

Martinez is another who cannot be relied upon, and ideally both would be moved on. No point in having players who cannot stay fit. Need to make sure we don’t keep Martinez around for the same sort of time we have with Shaw, and Lindelof.

 

[bosnian_red]

I see the chunky unicorn is still able to convince folk he’s the best Lb/LCB at the club, despite not playing for a year. The level of support he gets on the Caf for doing the square root of zero is impressive. If he wasn’t English, he’d be getting slaughtered on here.
I question his professionalism in getting and maintaining his fitness. Never looks in shape (Rooney never but he was mostly available and brilliant at times), even when playing.

It's rarely a professionalism issue and almost always just issues with his body that he can't take regular football. It's fine thinking he should leave because he can't stay fit, it's true. But attacks at his character because his body can't take the level of football he wants to play is wrong.

 

[romufc]

When someone is the best at something, surely fitness has to be taken into this?

The best players are generally fit, its part of being the best. Whilst Shaw is a very good player when fit, its all short term, alot of players look good in interim basis.

 

[Jippy]

Yeah that was me I now see your reaction to my older post.

Luke Shaw donating a part of his wages to the Academy or/and low paid staff ON TOP of the budget allocated by the club is not "giving money to the multi-billionaire Glazers".

Think you´ve mistaken it with a "salary cap" which some people have (wrongly) suggested. In my mind, those savings on reduced wages would go straight into owners/shareholders pockets. Which is wrong as we see many PL players from poor backrounds from all over the world donating big chunk of their fortune to their local communities etc. Very much doubt the Glazers or Henrys would part with such a high proportion of their wealth to help others.

Its still a fantasy though, a player willingly agreeing to reduce their contract (or a "pay as you play" deal nonsense). That said I´ve seen Sadio Mané financing the built of new hospital in Africa, crazy Adebayor doing simillar, and many other examples. Just have a feeling the likes of Shaw or Sancho dont give a sh*t about stuff like that. Correct me if Im wrong.

Mané and Adebayor financing projects in their impoverished home countries is fantastic and admirable. But it's quite different to the idea that Shaw or other United injured players should donate some of their wages to pay for infrastructure and staff at one of the biggest clubs in world football, which is owned by multibillionaires. As an extension of that, should if highly paid staff at the likes of Apple and Nvidia are incapacitated long-term due to sickness, should they be urged to donate some of their wages to the staff canteen or pay salaries of lower-earners?

 

[Olecurls99]

Mané and Adebayor financing projects in their impoverished home countries is fantastic and admirable. But it's quite different to the idea that Shaw or other United injured players should donate some of their wages to pay for infrastructure and staff at one of the biggest clubs in world football, which is owned by multibillionaires. As an extension of that, should if highly paid staff at the likes of Apple and Nvidia are incapacitated long-term due to sickness, should they be urged to donate some of their wages to the staff canteen or pay salaries of lower-earners?

If they were on 10m a year and had been calling in sick for the best part of 2 years, then yes that would help somewhat.

 

[Jippy]

If they were on 10m a year and had been calling in sick for the best part of 2 years, then yes that would help somewhat.

Even the way you're wording it is loaded. Pretty sure injured players aren't 'calling in sick', they're being advised by medical staff on what to do. You make it sound like injured players are like skiving office workers opting for a duvet day, rather than going through rehab and exercise regimens carefully crafted by experienced physio professionals.

 

[LeonDion]

Where is this guy? Do we know when he’s back or what issue even is? Hes a joke we should be able to cancel contract given amount of time he’s injured doing nothing.

 

[Solius]

Where is this guy? Do we know when he’s back or what issue even is? Hes a joke we should be able to cancel contract given amount of time he’s injured doing nothing.

Why is it so easy for you to label him a joke? By all means you can be frustrated at the situation as a whole but do you not think he is feeling that more than anyone? It's probably mentally incredibly tough for him to have such constant setbacks, having to do grueling rehab constantly all whilst people like you are insulting him.

 

[moses]

The idea that injured payers get financially punished is absurd.

You really want players going out to play with their main objective being avoiding injury?

And you think we're being outfought on pitches now?

Never mind the lack of empathy, the utter stupidity is midblowing.

 

[Olecurls99]

Even the way you're wording it is loaded. Pretty sure injured players aren't 'calling in sick', they're being advised by medical staff on what to do. You make it sound like injured players are like skiving office workers opting for a duvet day, rather than going through rehab and exercise regimens carefully crafted by experienced physio professionals.

That's how I sum up his situation. The England rush back was the icing on the cake. Bad luck plays a part with injuries but sometimes it's about attitude. I think the England fiasco in the summer showed where his heart lies and it's not with the club paying him 200k a week.

Experts can craft all the exercise regimens they want but if the player says "It's not feeling good today" then that's that.

He's been swinging out of a vague muscle injury for over a year now.

 

[romufc]

Why is it so easy for you to label him a joke? By all means you can be frustrated at the situation as a whole but do you not think he is feeling that more than anyone? It's probably mentally incredibly tough for him to have such constant setbacks, having to do grueling rehab constantly all whilst people like you are insulting him.

He has had a terrible injury in the past, which probably took alot out of him mentally too.

Some people on here act as if he is purposely getting injured so he can get paid for not playing... its not true.

I believe that Shaw wants to play football and is just very unlucky that his body is not letting him and he keeps getting injured.

You listen to Amorim, he also says, I will be there for Shaw and Mount because they have shown that they want to fight, get back fit.

I play sports and I can tell you its so frustrating not being able to play, never mind when that is your job not just a hobby.

 

[Jippy]

That's how I sum up his situation. The England rush back was the icing on the cake. Bad luck plays a part with injuries but sometimes it's about attitude. I think the England fiasco in the summer showed where his heart lies and it's not with the club paying him 200k a week.

Experts can craft all the exercise regimens they want but if the player says "It's not feeling good today" then that's that.

He's been swinging out of a vague muscle injury for over a year now.

Read this post, which shows the 'England rush back' notion is massively overblown. The other stuff you're saying is baseless agenda posting.

Absolutely. He got injured not long after the start of last season and was out for 3 months. When he came back Ten Hag immediately started him in 8 games in a row most of which had only 2-3 days between them and so it was no surprise that he ended up injured again. Comes back and straight away starts 4 in a row, gets a knock in the last one which sees him subbed at half-time. That week he was named as 'doubtful' in the press conference for the Luton game but plays anyway, gets injured and he was done for the season.

I think there were some suggestions he might be fit for the FA Cup final, after not making that and being selected for England he was supposed to be available for either the 2nd or 3rd group fixtures but it wasn't until the quarter-final a couple of weeks later that he came on as a sub. So he wasn't really rushed back there at all, it seems that actually they took more precaution.

The frustration at his availability is understandable but it's clearly nonsense that he prioritises England when most of his troubles last season came from him either playing through injury or coming back too early from them for United.

 

[MadDogg]

The way he rushed back for England, I can’t imagine that was conducive to ensuring he was fully fit for us. It seemed like a very rushed return, if it was me I think I’d have been using that summer to make sure I was 100% ready to play the following season, not trying to rush back for maximum of 1 or 2 games.

And I’ve never heard of him pushing to get back in action for us. He always seems to take longer than expected to return from each knock.

He didn't really 'rush back' for the Euros though. There was a fair hope that we'd have him available for the last few weeks of that season, so he was obviously very close to being ready. He didn't quite make it but the extra month before the Euros was obviously enough. Even then it's not like he was just thrown straight into games, as he was left just on the bench for the first few games before coming off the bench for a couple then obviously starting the final. Seems to be the exact type of slow but steady increase in minutes that a player returning is supposed to have. Much better than what we ourselves were doing last season when we were basically just starting him for 90 minutes every game as soon as he returned.

If things had gone differently we could have been looking at him going to the Euros as almost part of a preseason helping him get some fitness back in competitive games after being out for months. Unfortunately he picked up a seemingly unrelated injury in preseason.

If it comes out that the club recommended him not to go because they considered it a risk but he went anyway, then that'll be a different case all together. But I won't jump straight to that.

 

[Tom Cato]

The idea that injured payers get financially punished is absurd.

You really want players going out to play with their main objective being avoiding injury?

And you think we're being outfought on pitches now?

Never mind the lack of empathy, the utter stupidity is midblowing.

Players shouldnt get penalized for being injured of course, but I dont think a discussion surrounding a players ability to fullfill his contract is out of order.

If a player is out injured for more than for example 12 months, a full calendar year, its not unreasonable that there would be release clauses that allow clubs to terminate a contract and pay a player a set% of the remaining contract balance, for example 30%. Or reduce salaries after a set period.

The other end is that the employer is left with 100% of the risk when signing players.

We should differ between a normal sports injury that you recover from and career ending injuries that render the player unable to fullfill his contract. Sports insurance should obviously also be a part of this

 

[FujiVice]

We signed his contract, knowing his injury record. This isnt his fault. Its the clubs. He shouldn't get punished for signing a contract he was offered.

 

[moses]

Players shouldnt get penalized for being injured of course, but I dont think a discussion surrounding a players ability to fullfill his contract is out of order.

If a player is out injured for more than for example 12 months, a full calendar year, its not unreasonable that there would be release clauses that allow clubs to terminate a contract and pay a player a set% of the remaining contract balance, for example 30%. Or reduce salaries after a set period.

The other end is that the employer is left with 100% of the risk when signing players.

We should differ between a normal sports injury that you recover from and career ending injuries that render the player unable to fullfill his contract. Sports insurance should obviously also be a part of this

As a general topic of conversation, of course it's valid about future contracts. But it's still not an excuse for some of the personal nonsense posted here and in the Mason Mount threads for example.

 

[Olecurls99]

Read this post, which shows the 'England rush back' notion is massively overblown. The other stuff you're saying is baseless agenda posting.

I'm calling it as I see it. He has no future here and this is from somebody who thought he was one of the best left backs around.

I doubt we'll get more than 20 games between now and 2027 and I don't just put it down to luck.

 

[Adisa]

You can tell the difference between Man Utd and Real Madrid by comparing how we have handled Shaw/Jones and how they handled Hazard. The club doesn't have standards.

 

[romufc]

You can tell the difference between Man Utd and Real Madrid by comparing how we have handled Shaw/Jones and how they handled Hazard. The club doesn't have standards.

Whilst I know fans love to compare clubs and pick and chose players to suit their agenda... Real Madrid have similar issues.

David Alaba is injured alot in the the past 2/3 seasons
Militao has almost missed the entirety of the last 2 seasons
Ferland MEndy is very injury prone.

Those players are still at Madrid.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Why was someone getting warned for calling his injury record a joke? I get it's not nice for him, but he pushed himself for England and United have paid the price. That is a joke.

 

[Jippy]

Why was someone getting warned for calling his injury record a joke? I get it's not nice for him, but he pushed himself for England and United have paid the price. That is a joke.

Maybe reread the post. Also you're spouting the same baseless shite about England over and over.

 

[Amir]

That's how I sum up his situation. The England rush back was the icing on the cake. Bad luck plays a part with injuries but sometimes it's about attitude. I think the England fiasco in the summer showed where his heart lies and it's not with the club paying him 200k a week.

His heart can lie both with United and his national team

Ultimately, when his career ends he's probably not going to think "that summer I chose not to play in the Euro's in which England got to the final was such a great decision". I actually think he should be applauded for doing everything he could in order to play rather than go and spend a few weeks on the beach.

 

[Jippy]

I'm calling it as I see it. He has no future here and this is from somebody who thought he was one of the best left backs around.

I doubt we'll get more than 20 games between now and 2027 and I don't just put it down to luck.

At least now you're dropping all the opinion dressed up as fact. No, he likely doesn't have much of a future here, or anywhere, given his injury issues. Shame because at his best he was class

It was a bad call renewing his last contract and we need to recruit. Don't get why people can't just leave it at that and have to throw in all the vitriol and bs around his injuries, not to mention the personal abuse.

 

[Olecurls99]

At least now you're dropping all the opinion dressed up as fact. No, he likely doesn't have much of a future here, or anywhere, given his injury issues. Shame because at his best he was class

It was a bad call renewing his last contract and we need to recruit. Don't get why people can't just leave it at that and have to throw in all the vitriol and bs around his injuries, not to mention the personal abuse.

What are you on about? Where did I dress it up as fact? I literally said 'this is how I sum up the situation' at the start of my post.

 

[Vernon Philander]

His injury record is a joke.

Does anyone have the stats on his best full season for us?

Edit - best season I think was 29 games, 1 goal, 4 assists

 

[tomaldinho1]

Maybe reread the post. Also you're spouting the same baseless shite about England over and over.

Will you get a warning for rudeness in this post?

It's really not, it's not like a player's fitness is unrelated to what has come before it. Shaw has had repeat problems for multiple seasons, often a mix of longer term injuries coinciding with unmaned muscle injuries, but we can fairly say he is an 'injury prone' player. He was selected for England whilst unable to play and passed fit enough for basically one game in the end.

Yes/No question. As much as I might have done the same, arguably his last chance to play for England in a major tournament, do you not see how he put country over club in that instance?

 

[Jippy]

What are you on about? Where did I dress it up as fact? I literally said 'this is how I sum up the situation' at the start of my post.

You were 'summing up his situation' earlier.

 

[Posh Red]

There is no actual evidence that he ‘rushed back’ for England, or whether that had any bearing on his fitness. The guy is perennially injured. This just seems like looking for a reason to attack his character, rather than the most obvious explanation which has been staring us in the face for years.

 

[Cassidy]

There is no actual evidence that he ‘rushed back’ for England, or whether that had any bearing on his fitness. The guy is perennially injured. This just seems like looking for a reason to attack his character, rather than the most obvious explanation which has been staring us in the face for years.

Was he not injured when selected? Then for most of the tournament. And then our new minority owner called out the fact he should not get himself injured on INT duty.

I seem to think here the club didn’t like the idea of the call up and to be perfectly honest it didn’t seem like a good choice.

 

[Posh Red]

Was he not injured when selected?

I don’t know exactly what his state of fitness was precisely when he was selected. Where is the evidence he was rushed back to fitness, or is it just guess work?

 

[Vault Dweller]

Was he not injured when selected?

Yup. Until he could play a part of the semi.

 

[Olecurls99]

You were 'summing up his situation' earlier.

Yes, I was summing up his situation

 

[Brand Nubian]

If they were on 10m a year and had been calling in sick for the best part of 2 years, then yes that would help somewhat.

Not going to make friends with some mods as a newbie but how this post got a "quality warning" tag is bonkers.

Probably its that strong sense of dry english humour which rilled up the mods Jippy and Moses. It was fair and reasonable comment from Ole99.

 

[Olecurls99]

Not going to make friends with some mods as a newbie but how this post got a "quality warning" tag is bonkers.

Probably its that strong sense of dry english humour which rilled up the mods Jippy and Moses. It was fair and reasonable comment from Ole99.

It's like east Berlin in the 60s ...........and I'm suspended

 

[Cassidy]

I don’t know exactly what his state of fitness was precisely when he was selected. Where is the evidence he was rushed back to fitness, or is it just guess work?

I think if your injured before the tournament and going into the tournament and then during the tournament until the semi. And then after the tournament your injured again with a related injury to the previous. I think its fair to say you probably were not ready to play.

Regardless he should not have gone to the Euros really.

 

[Posh Red]

I think if your injured before the tournament and going into the tournament and then during the tournament until the semi. And then after the tournament your injured again with a related injury to the previous. I think its fair to say you probably were not ready to play.

Regardless he should not have gone to the Euros really.

This just sounds like conjecture to me. I see no benefit in blaming a player for something like this. Given he’s been injured most of his career, it’s just odd to me, and comes across as bitterness.

 

[Cassidy]

This just sounds like conjecture to me. I see no benefit in blaming a player for something like this. Given he’s been injured most of his career, it’s just odd to me, and comes across as bitterness.

Of course its conjecture. None of us know for certain. What we know is he was injured before the tournament and during and only was deemed fit enough to play some of the semi.

Bitterness no not really. I actually like Shaw to be honest and think its a shame how injuries have curtailed his career.

 

[Posh Red]

Of course its conjecture. None of us know for certain. What we know is he was injured before the tournament and during and only was deemed fit enough to play some of the semi.

Bitterness no not really. I actually like Shaw to be honest and think its a shame how injuries have curtailed his career.

So he was injured, and then he was fit, and then got injured again? Sounds no different to the rest of his career.

It sounds like bitterness because it’s implying blame on him for something that was very likely not his fault, as far as we know.