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A fit Luke Shaw is the best LCB at the club and it's not even close, has the physical aspects that Martinez doesn't.

But you are talking about the player Shaw was 2 years ago, if we just start knocking 2 years off every player to make an argument it becomes so far removed from reality it's irrelevant.

Shaw today hasn't be able to stay fit for more than 10 minutes, he is useless and shouldn't be in any plans for next season.
 
Well he's never fit for more than a few weeks at a time so we never can build around him at this stage.

Pity but it's time to go
Agreed. I hope he’s told right at the start of the summer that he isn’t in the plans and he can go. Who then comes in for him and with what deal is another question entirely but it’s time to move on from him completely. In truth, it’s probably well beyond time.
 
Agreed. I hope he’s told right at the start of the summer that he isn’t in the plans and he can go. Who then comes in for him and with what deal is another question entirely but it’s time to move on from him completely. In truth, it’s probably well beyond time.

Yeah the best thing now is to reduce the financial burden of his contract.
 
Like the Mount thread, everytime I see this thread bumped I think there'll be some news about him being ready :lol: .

I've been hoping he'd come back and make that LCB role his own since Martinez was injured but we've actually started to look a bit better defensively recently and Heaven and Yoro have been playing well so I don't think we're missing him as much as I thought (hopefully the Heaven injury isn't too severe). I can not see him coping with the physical demands of being a wingback in this system.
 
He was injury prone from the minute we signed him.
The leg break was terrible but even without that, he's just one of those players that's constantly injured.

I remember thinking we got absolutely robbed during his first season with us.

I also think him rushing back to play injured for England and completely crocking himself In the process almost warrants contract cancellation.
Do we not get any compensation from the FA as he got injured on international duty? Would be interesting to learn how the cover would work and what the limits are
 
Based on what exactly? The guy looked distraught when he last got injured.


What exactly are you suggesting he does? Are you another fan wanting him to donate money to the multi-billionaire Glazers?
Also, doesn't sound like you're capable of goodwill.
That would be up to him to decide how he could contribute to the club. I most definitely do not want anyone contributing to the glazers. are you trying to tell me if Luke came out and said here there is the 40k taken away recently which goes directly to donations you would be opposed? or would you think it be ludicrous someone of his mass wealth could possibly consider such an act...I'd say it's more likely you're the type who cannot get your head around goodwill if you question such a possibility. I'm not saying he should of course but only suggesting how much it would mean to those who received such donations. The problem is I am the type who would want to do so if it were me and others can't seem to get their head around this. In my line of work i have been advised I cannot keep doing as much goodwill as I do, so you are very much wrong. no more replies today for me being a newbie
 
That would be up to him to decide how he could contribute to the club. I most definitely do not want anyone contributing to the glazers. are you trying to tell me if Luke came out and said here there is the 40k taken away recently which goes directly to donations you would be opposed? or would you think it be ludicrous someone of his mass wealth could possibly consider such an act...I'd say it's more likely you're the type who cannot get your head around goodwill if you question such a possibility. I'm not saying he should of course but only suggesting how much it would mean to those who received such donations. The problem is I am the type who would want to do so if it were me and others can't seem to get their head around this. In my line of work i have been advised I cannot keep doing as much goodwill as I do, so you are very much wrong. no more replies today for me being a newbie
So yes, you do want him to cover expenses the multibillionaire Glazers won't as penance for being injured.

I guess not everyone is destined for sainthood like you, St GL21 of Glazerdom, scourge of the sick and injured.
 
Do we not get any compensation from the FA as he got injured on international duty? Would be interesting to learn how the cover would work and what the limits are
He didn't get injured on international duty, it's just BS people say to attack him for playing at the Euros.

He got injured during United's preseason.
 
He didn't get injured on international duty, it's just BS people say to attack him for playing at the Euros.

He got injured during United's preseason.
So you don't think if he didn't play for England then he might not have had an increased risk of getting injured afterwards with United?
 
So you don't think if he didn't play for England then he might not have had an increased risk of getting injured afterwards with United?
There's so many double negatives in that sentence. I don't know, but I've not seen any proven link between his one start and two substitute appearances for England and his injury several weeks later with United. United have certainly made no reference to it being an issue.
 
Its been tough on the guy, the talent was always there. But we need to find a way to get him off the books this summer. Not sure how, don't know who would sign him. Maybe going to a league less physical than the Prem would eke a few more appearances, who knows.
 
So yes, you do want him to cover expenses the multibillionaire Glazers won't as penance for being injured.

I guess not everyone is destined for sainthood like you, St GL21 of Glazerdom, scourge of the sick and injured.

The club would be on dodgy ground if it became the norm that injured players were to go forgo or donate a portion of their wages, even if the club weren't seen to encourage. The suggestion is nuts tbh.
 
There's so many double negatives in that sentence. I don't know, but I've not seen any proven link between his one start and two substitute appearances for England and his injury several weeks later with United. United have certainly made no reference to it being an issue.
Well they wouldn't throw an asset under the bus like that but I find it hard to believe that him rushing back for the Euros didn't impact on his season at United. Especially as it has been such a long term injury.

Just feels odd and off.
 
Well they wouldn't throw an asset under the bus like that but I find it hard to believe that him rushing back for the Euros didn't impact on his season at United. Especially as it has been such a long term injury.

Just feels odd and off.

He was injury prone before that happened and he was injury prone after that happened, so the obvious explanation is that he is just injury prone.

I suspect the root cause of all his injury woes is the horrific and almost career ending leg break he suffered against PSV all those years ago. Injuries that severe can often have lifelong impacts on your biomechanics, which can affect all your surrounding muscle groups.
 
Talented player but a shame never lived up to his expectation. Needs to be sold and his wages given to another CB.
 
Based on what exactly? The guy looked distraught when he last got injured.


What exactly are you suggesting he does? Are you another fan wanting him to donate money to the multi-billionaire Glazers?
Also, doesn't sound like you're capable of goodwill.

The way he rushed back for England, I can’t imagine that was conducive to ensuring he was fully fit for us. It seemed like a very rushed return, if it was me I think I’d have been using that summer to make sure I was 100% ready to play the following season, not trying to rush back for maximum of 1 or 2 games.

And I’ve never heard of him pushing to get back in action for us. He always seems to take longer than expected to return from each knock.
 
The way he rushed back for England, I can’t imagine that was conducive to ensuring he was fully fit for us. It seemed like a very rushed return, if it was me I think I’d have been using that summer to make sure I was 100% ready to play the following season, not trying to rush back for maximum of 1 or 2 games.

And I’ve never heard of him pushing to get back in action for us. He always seems to take longer than expected to return from each knock.
He got his big injury last season because he was rushed back without being fully fit for a game against Luton.

He was expected to play earlier than he did at the Euros. It has been clear for the last year that his body can't handle the intensity at the top level anymore.
 
The way he rushed back for England, I can’t imagine that was conducive to ensuring he was fully fit for us. It seemed like a very rushed return, if it was me I think I’d have been using that summer to make sure I was 100% ready to play the following season, not trying to rush back for maximum of 1 or 2 games.

And I’ve never heard of him pushing to get back in action for us. He always seems to take longer than expected to return from each knock.
I dunno how rushed it felt, given his injury timelines are not the easiest to predict plus his minutes were quite limited at the Euros. You'd imagine most players would want a shot at winning a major tournament with England.
If he has been rushed back into action for us at times would explain why he's got so injured so quickly on occasion.
 
He got his big injury last season because he was rushed back without being fully fit for a game against Luton.

He was expected to play earlier than he did at the Euros. It has been clear for the last year that his body can't handle the intensity at the top level anymore.
Absolutely. He got injured not long after the start of last season and was out for 3 months. When he came back Ten Hag immediately started him in 8 games in a row most of which had only 2-3 days between them and so it was no surprise that he ended up injured again. Comes back and straight away starts 4 in a row, gets a knock in the last one which sees him subbed at half-time. That week he was named as 'doubtful' in the press conference for the Luton game but plays anyway, gets injured and he was done for the season.

I think there were some suggestions he might be fit for the FA Cup final, after not making that and being selected for England he was supposed to be available for either the 2nd or 3rd group fixtures but it wasn't until the quarter-final a couple of weeks later that he came on as a sub. So he wasn't really rushed back there at all, it seems that actually they took more precaution.

The frustration at his availability is understandable but it's clearly nonsense that he prioritises England when most of his troubles last season came from him either playing through injury or coming back too early from them for United.
 
I'm not sure who the somewhere else is that is gonna give a constantly injured guy a new contract.

Sometimes players leave a club and miraculously stay fit... do I think that about Shaw? no.

Shaw and fit wont go in the same sentence.
 
He's been at the club and played under every post-Fergie manager except Moyes.It'll be 11 years in few months. Probably missed at least half of that through various injuries.
 
He's been at the club and played under every post-Fergie manager except Moyes.It'll be 11 years in few months. Probably missed at least half of that through various injuries.
276 appearances in almost 11 years, so an average of about 25 a year. Including subs. Probably a bit less than half our games.
 
I see the chunky unicorn is still able to convince folk he’s the best Lb/LCB at the club, despite not playing for a year. The level of support he gets on the Caf for doing the square root of zero is impressive. If he wasn’t English, he’d be getting slaughtered on here.
I question his professionalism in getting and maintaining his fitness. Never looks in shape (Rooney never but he was mostly available and brilliant at times), even when playing.
 
I see the chunky unicorn is still able to convince folk he’s the best Lb/LCB at the club, despite not playing for a year. The level of support he gets on the Caf for doing the square root of zero is impressive. If he wasn’t English, he’d be getting slaughtered on here.
I question his professionalism in getting and maintaining his fitness. Never looks in shape (Rooney never but he was mostly available and brilliant at times), even when playing.
To be fair, it has come down drastically. Last summer, there were many more "best in league*" and "one of the best in the world*" posts


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A fit Luke Shaw is the best LCB at the club and it's not even close, has the physical aspects that Martinez doesn't.
He isn’t. He has never consistently shown greater ability in the LCB position over Martinez. Martinez’ first season was grest, as a CB. Shaw has mostly played, erratically, as a LB. At CB he was very prone to mistakes. He’s faster and stronger than Martinez, but that’s it.

Him being a great player is a myth. He’s lost a lot of pace, struggles with fitness and weight. His awareness is average at best, and his one on one defending leaves a lot to be desired, even at his best. He’s faster had great potential, but ultimately he had one very good season. The rest mostly erratic and injury prone. Plenty of better lbs in the league and many more so CBs.
 
He's been at the club and played under every post-Fergie manager except Moyes.It'll be 11 years in few months. Probably missed at least half of that through various injuries.
This season he has 2x34 min in the PL and 30 min in the EL. 108 min. Very depressing stats.
 
So yes, you do want him to cover expenses the multibillionaire Glazers won't as penance for being injured.

I guess not everyone is destined for sainthood like you, St GL21 of Glazerdom, scourge of the sick and injured
So no I do not wish for him to cover any expenses of the glazers. I do however feel it would be a lovely gesture if he or any other players made a contribution back to the club who has gave them more than really they have been worth. Yes it may not be a reality in our 'take' culture which is why why the country is in the state it is in, but also part of the reason our club is in the state it is in..I'd love to know how these guys would feel about a percentage paycut, say 10% which would have minimal impact on them but great for the club...not the glazers specifically before you suggest. Are you telling me you'd be opposed to Luke or any others recognising they are on disproportionate wages and contributing back, however unrealistic it may be?

and yes Luke is injured and I pity him that much but he's hardly sick, poor man should sign up for the DLA...mind you, God forbid anyone scourge him that. although I'd say you'd likely approve