[Cassidy]

So he was injured, and then he was fit, and then got injured again? Sounds no different to the rest of his career.

It sounds like bitterness because it’s implying blame on him for something that was very likely not his fault, as far as we know.

For some reason you seem to believe that its not unusual for injured players to go to tournaments and you seem to believe when it does happen that it doesn’t carry significant risk.

He took the risk and so that part of it is his own fault. I don’t think its that bad that he did, others have also done so. But for some reason you think it’s bitterness to point out the obvious, but thats ok if thats what you believe. At the end of the day we just have differing opinions.

 

[moses]

Why was someone getting warned for calling his injury record a joke? I get it's not nice for him, but he pushed himself for England and United have paid the price. That is a joke.

That's not why they were warned. If you have an issue with the moderation please discuss it in the proper threads and don't try incorporate it into whatever is annoying you in this thread. It derails the thread.

 

[moses]

Not going to make friends with some mods as a newbie but how this post got a "quality warning" tag is bonkers.

Probably its that strong sense of dry english humour which rilled up the mods Jippy and Moses. It was fair and reasonable comment from Ole99.

Sometimes a post gets a warning as as result of posting in general. Or a culmination of posts.

Its rarely a good idea to derail a thread with criticism of something that you know pretty much nothing about.

If you do need to query a warning I'd always advise contacting the mod in question or any mod if you're not sure who issued the warning. But again, if you're not sure who issued it, you probably don't know why it was issued.

Every so often, we get a wave of new posters—often ones who spend most of their time debating rather than discussing—who believe that RedCafe is the best place to talk about football online, despite its moderation. The truth is, the internet is full of places where players—our own players—are torn apart just for being injured or having a bad game. That’s not what this forum is about.

United can be frustrating currently, but it’s best to take it in stride. What makes this place different from Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube comment sections is the way we keep discussions respectful and balanced. The mod team here plays a big part in that, even if most of you rarely interact with them directly. They don’t step in often, but when they do, it’s usually after thoughtful discussions among the team.

At the end of the day, we’re here to support our club and enjoy good football conversations.

 

[tomaldinho1]

That's not why they were warned. If you have an issue with the moderation please discuss it in the proper threads and don't try incorporate it into whatever is annoying you in this thread. It derails the thread.

Whilst I have no love of the tone of the post, it seems very heavy handed to me. Anyway, not important to Luke Shaw specifically.

 

[moses]

Whilst I have no love of the tone of the post, it seems very heavy handed to me. Anyway, not important to Luke Shaw specifically.

I'll try to be more gentle in future.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Is he back then?

 

[tomaldinho1]

Is he back then?

Amorim said 'soon' I think, hopefully he can play a part back end of the season.

 

[Shane88]

Amorim said 'soon' I think, hopefully he can play a part back end of the season.

What part though? As long as Dorgu is willing and able he should be getting every minute at LB.

Shaw is going nowhere because of his contract but he has no future here.

 

[tomaldinho1]

What part though? As long as Dorgu is willing and able he should be getting every minute at LB.

Shaw is going nowhere because of his contract but he has no future here.

*if* he's fit, he should probably be getting mins at LCB and covering Dorgu
Again *if* he's fit he's an awesome player, he's just never fit

 

[Red00012]

Whilst I have no love of the tone of the post, it seems very heavy handed to me. Anyway, not important to Luke Shaw specifically.

It might stop the rubbish been posted in here and the Mount thread.

 

[Cassidy]

Whilst I know fans love to compare clubs and pick and chose players to suit their agenda... Real Madrid have similar issues.

David Alaba is injured alot in the the past 2/3 seasons
Militao has almost missed the entirety of the last 2 seasons
Ferland MEndy is very injury prone.

Those players are still at Madrid.

Yes but not for nearly a decade…

 

[Withnail]

Whilst I have no love of the tone of the post, it seems very heavy handed to me. Anyway, not important to Luke Shaw specifically.

They called the player himself a joke, rather than the situation. It was a shit post to be fair.

 

[iammemphis]

Surely he will just retire at this point

 

[tomaldinho1]

They called the player himself a joke, rather than the situation. It was a shit post to be fair.

Oh I get it, but go in the Dalot, Hojlnd, Zirkzee threads and no one is getting warnings for calling players names. Go in the Zirkzee thread and you've got people saying he's a "useless braindead donkey and sooner he fecks off the better"

This newbie just said Shaw's a "joke", feel like it really wasn't that big a deal.

 

[Posh Red]

It might stop the rubbish been posted in here and the Mount thread.

I would hope so. I find the finger pointing and assumptive moaning tiresome, but I realise I’m now moaning about the moaners more than the actual moaners now, so I should probably give it a rest

 

[Withnail]

Oh I get it, but go in the Dalot, Hojlnd, Zirkzee threads and no one is getting warnings for calling players names. Go in the Zirkzee thread and you've got people saying he's a "useless braindead donkey and sooner he fecks off the better"

This newbie just said Shaw's a "joke", feel like it really wasn't that big a deal.

They should probably get warnings too but I'd say what happened was that the post in here waa reported and those ones weren't. And anyone calling players a joke when their physical health isn't exactly within their full control can feck off as far as I'm concerned.

If Shaw was somehow fit tomorrow he'd be one of the best players on the pitch and I can't imagine there anything he'd rather be doing than playing football regularly.

 

[Handré1990]

So happy I don’t have to speculate, it hurts my head! With all the mind readers in this thread who not only knows Luke personally, but they also know for a fact he doesn’t care about the club.

Simple questions for the mind readers: did you ever have a job? Did you ever hang around for more than a year if you didn’t care for the people and the place?

It’s fair to be annoyed by his injury woes, but that doesn’t say anything about Shaw’s character or motivations you absolute weirdoes!

 

[tomaldinho1]

They should probably get warnings too but I'd say what happened was that the post in here waa reported and those ones weren't. And anyone calling players a joke when their physical health isn't exactly within their full control can feck off as far as I'm concerned.

If Shaw was somehow fit tomorrow he'd be one of the best players on the pitch and I can't imagine there anything he'd rather be doing than playing football regularly.

Defo agree re if he's fit he's great. The sad truth is that horror challenge is probably caused what we see today and have seen the last however many years, I remember being so excited by him the start of that season LVG declared it 'the season of Luke Shaw'

 

[Wibble]

Why was someone getting warned for calling his injury record a joke? I get it's not nice for him, but he pushed himself for England and United have paid the price. That is a joke.

A little worrying that you can't see why that post resulted in a warning.

 

[Posh Red]

Defo agree re if he's fit he's great. The sad truth is that horror challenge is probably caused what we see today and have seen the last however many years, I remember being so excited by him the start of that season LVG declared it 'the season of Luke Shaw'

It’s hard to really know if he would have had the injuries even without that horrible break. I saw a poster suggest he had injury woes even before we signed him, on here. I have no idea if that’s true, though.

 

[El-Manos]

Forgot he “played” for us to be honest

 

[GL21]

seems no one shall be allowed to question Luke shaws salary in this thread or will be spanked. we need to all agree his 10M earnings since he last pulled on a utd shirt is worthy and just. Think it would be a great addition something written into contracts to prevent this sort of nonsense happening again as I don't ever see any players giving back any unjust wages at all, unless you are Kaka who felt so bad about his injuries he refused wages. Or Juan Mata being the decent, beautiful human that he is and setting up his charity. I still feel if a player, who was on astronomical wages and wasn't producing on the pitch, was to forfeit something back it would be such an endearing act. yea it's pie in the sky for us to consider for the modern footballer as they are living such high lifestyles with lamborghini, rolls royce etc it is not even a possibility. I can only imagine when your weekly wage is 200k you probably change in terms of how you value money. it's another planet to the wages earned by those deemed high earners in apple or whatever companies. But the contract he was given is a joke and he is entitled to his contract but it stinks of all that went wrong at Man Utd right now. Shaw could well be devastated and knocking his ballocks in to get fit etc but his situation is also a joke too and I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed at some point he was another player who didn't push hard enough through injuries. 10 Million. for what it's worth I liked but just find it all appalling

 

[G97]

Hate this guy, not just as a player. Just as a person and couldn’t careless how much of a Cnut that makes me look.

Rooney, who was a teammate of Shaw for years, called it at the end of last season when Shaw was ‘injured’.
He said players will be fit for England who aren’t now.
Shaw ‘injured’ then… fit for England… ‘injured’ ever since…

Saw the fan debate last week with that chap on there who said Shaw, Constantly turned up late to physio so brought them all champagne… what a complete bell.
No wonder Jose said the lad didn’t have a brain.

The fact we’ve let this guy get away with his antics for so long is why we deserve to be exactly where we are.
The poster boy of the “Post Ferguson attitude era”.

 

[moses]

Stay on topic. The warnings have been explained and you were advised not to discuss them here.

 

[moses]

seems no one shall be allowed to question Luke shaws salary in this thread or will be spanked. we need to all agree his 10M earnings since he last pulled on a utd shirt is worthy and just. Think it would be a great addition something written into contracts to prevent this sort of nonsense happening again as I don't ever see any players giving back any unjust wages at all, unless you are Kaka who felt so bad about his injuries he refused wages. Or Juan Mata being the decent, beautiful human that he is and setting up his charity. I still feel if a player, who was on astronomical wages and wasn't producing on the pitch, was to forfeit something back it would be such an endearing act. yea it's pie in the sky for us to consider for the modern footballer as they are living such high lifestyles with lamborghini, rolls royce etc it is not even a possibility. I can only imagine when your weekly wage is 200k you probably change in terms of how you value money. it's another planet to the wages earned by those deemed high earners in apple or whatever companies. But the contract he was given is a joke and he is entitled to his contract but it stinks of all that went wrong at Man Utd right now. Shaw could well be devastated and knocking his ballocks in to get fit etc but his situation is also a joke too and I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed at some point he was another player who didn't push hard enough through injuries. 10 Million. for what it's worth I liked but just find it all appalling

That's not what the issue was.

 

[Jippy]

seems no one shall be allowed to question Luke shaws salary in this thread or will be spanked. we need to all agree his 10M earnings since he last pulled on a utd shirt is worthy and just. Think it would be a great addition something written into contracts to prevent this sort of nonsense happening again as I don't ever see any players giving back any unjust wages at all, unless you are Kaka who felt so bad about his injuries he refused wages. Or Juan Mata being the decent, beautiful human that he is and setting up his charity. I still feel if a player, who was on astronomical wages and wasn't producing on the pitch, was to forfeit something back it would be such an endearing act. yea it's pie in the sky for us to consider for the modern footballer as they are living such high lifestyles with lamborghini, rolls royce etc it is not even a possibility. I can only imagine when your weekly wage is 200k you probably change in terms of how you value money. it's another planet to the wages earned by those deemed high earners in apple or whatever companies. But the contract he was given is a joke and he is entitled to his contract but it stinks of all that went wrong at Man Utd right now. Shaw could well be devastated and knocking his ballocks in to get fit etc but his situation is also a joke too and I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed at some point he was another player who didn't push hard enough through injuries. 10 Million. for what it's worth I liked but just find it all appalling

You can question his salary (which varies from £150-200k a week, depending on the poster), but it's not egregious for a player of his quality. You can also question the bigger issue of the decision to renew his contract in 2023, which obviously looks a poor one.

The repeated personal abuse is over the line though. The narrative around his England appearances, despite any evidence they caused an injury weeks later, and the constant insinuation about his character and/or effort levels is tiresome regularly veers into abuse. The notion that players with repeated injury problems should donate their wages is pretty weird and docking wages or ripping up an injured player's contract, as some want, would be illegal. The stance on this has been very clear.

Will you get a warning for rudeness in this post?

It's really not, it's not like a player's fitness is unrelated to what has come before it. Shaw has had repeat problems for multiple seasons, often a mix of longer term injuries coinciding with unmaned muscle injuries, but we can fairly say he is an 'injury prone' player. He was selected for England whilst unable to play and passed fit enough for basically one game in the end.

Yes/No question. As much as I might have done the same, arguably his last chance to play for England in a major tournament, do you not see how he put country over club in that instance?

Rudeness? I didn't insult you.

He played in three game England games, two as a sub, one start. It's most likely only some fans see as it as a club v country choice. He could potentially have played a couple of games at the Euros, regained fitness and come into the United preseason on a high. As it was, obviously England lost and he got injured weeks later in preseason. If United's doctors had said no and defied them, that would be a different story maybe.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

I thought he was back, and then turns out it's discussion between mods and posters .

All jokes aside, it is a real shame that he is injured, he would have done quite well in that LCB role or even in the LWB role, I miss his crosses.

 

[Oldyella]

I thought he was back, and then turns out it's discussion between mods and posters .

All jokes aside, it is a real shame that he is injured, he would have done quite well in that LCB role or even in the LWB role, I miss his crosses.

Not sure he could handle the LWB role now. Recipe for disaster.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Not sure he could handle the LWB role now. Recipe for disaster.

fitness wise, yes, he might not be able to hack it in the LWB role, but on paper, he is such a good player that he can cross and overlap quite well, I think in Euro 2020 he played LWB in some games and was brilliant, scoring a goal in the final and assisting some goals in big games too

 

[dazjoe]

Yeah forget about him playing as a WB. If he gets fit then there's a chance for him as LCB, and he'd do well there; but WB requires a lot of fitness, constantly getting up and down all game. His body can't handle that.

 

[SonOfFergie]

Shaw if fit would at this point be one of the top defenders in the world and top 5 active LB. It is such a shame that he has such difficulties staying fit.
I still remember as it was yesterday when he was still relatively fresh in the club and started to coming into his groove and just as he was starting to dominate and became one of the best players in the club how sickening it was when he broke his leg against PSV.
I instantly knew it he will never be the same again and that a great career was ruined that day. Sadly that was true.

 

[Borussia Teeth]

seems no one shall be allowed to question Luke shaws salary in this thread or will be spanked. we need to all agree his 10M earnings since he last pulled on a utd shirt is worthy and just. Think it would be a great addition something written into contracts to prevent this sort of nonsense happening again as I don't ever see any players giving back any unjust wages at all, unless you are Kaka who felt so bad about his injuries he refused wages. Or Juan Mata being the decent, beautiful human that he is and setting up his charity. I still feel if a player, who was on astronomical wages and wasn't producing on the pitch, was to forfeit something back it would be such an endearing act. yea it's pie in the sky for us to consider for the modern footballer as they are living such high lifestyles with lamborghini, rolls royce etc it is not even a possibility. I can only imagine when your weekly wage is 200k you probably change in terms of how you value money. it's another planet to the wages earned by those deemed high earners in apple or whatever companies. But the contract he was given is a joke and he is entitled to his contract but it stinks of all that went wrong at Man Utd right now. Shaw could well be devastated and knocking his ballocks in to get fit etc but his situation is also a joke too and I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed at some point he was another player who didn't push hard enough through injuries. 10 Million. for what it's worth I liked but just find it all appalling

I work a regular Joe job earning 40k py. I still disagree with you. Shaw is entitled to his millions, both parties agreed on his contract. I seriously doubt he chooses to be injured

 

[GL21]

I work a regular Joe job earning 40k py. I still disagree with you. Shaw is entitled to his millions, both parties agreed on his contract. I seriously doubt he chooses to be injured

yea that's fair, whatever your salary. I don't think we disagree that he is entitled to his millions contractually. personally I just think it's stinks on all fronts. Just because I don't like it, I still know he is entitled to it all. personally for a muscle injury to take a year I think there could possibly be a sense morally that it's not justified. it's not his fault they offered it, that was the on the club but there's no doubt it was a mistake. If he was on a fair salary ( a fit Luke Shaw I'd guess maybe 80k to 100k?) I could understand it a lot more. But for me personally if him or any other player for that matter, on ridiculous wages for such a prolonged period, gave back to the club or whoever they felt it would be such an endearing kind act. for example 10% from Shaws wage I can only guess he wouldn't miss it whereas the 20k would do wonders in many aspects. are you saying if you heard he gave up 10% you would not see this as a positive?

 

[Marwood]

They should probably get warnings too but I'd say what happened was that the post in here waa reported and those ones weren't. And anyone calling players a joke when their physical health isn't exactly within their full control can feck off as far as I'm concerned.

If Shaw was somehow fit tomorrow he'd be one of the best players on the pitch and I can't imagine there anything he'd rather be doing than playing football regularly.

The problem is this is a guy whose looked heavy and unfit for large spells of his time here.

He himself has admitted to not being fit enough at times, one or two managers have had issues with his fitness.

So there's a limit to my personal sympathy. The leg break obviously horrible for him.

But let's not forget the facts, he was out with injury quite a bit the season before that.

Would Shaw have been more available if he'd been lean and in top condition? It's not a question we should even be able to ask.

 

[Chairman Steve]

The injuries are unlucky but his conditioning isn’t the best, and that may contribute to the injuries in some way.

Handing him a four year extension in 2023 was gross incompetence on the clubs behalf, because why would you hand a big contract like that to a player with a considerable injury history. We should have held the cards in that situation and offered a 2+1 year deal with incentive clauses. He was hardly Paolo Maldini.

 

[BorisManUtd]

The injuries are unlucky but his conditioning isn’t the best, and that may contribute to the injuries in some way.

Handing him a four year extension in 2023 was gross incompetence on the clubs behalf, because why would you hand a big contract like that to a player with a considerable injury history. We should have held the cards in that situation and offered a 2+1 year deal with incentive clauses. He was hardly Paolo Maldini.

Even a 3 year extension wouldn't have been that bad, his contract would be expiring next year. But 2027... We're not getting rid and he's not going to get better in terms of injuries, unfortunately.

 

[The Boy]

I just feel incredibly sorry for him, he had so much potential and at the beginning of that season under LvG he was linking up brilliantly with Depay, then he broke his leg. He's had some great moments since then and I think he made Rashford a much better player in the same way he did Depay. He would be a dream for any winger to play in front of with his technical ability, his progressive passing and defensive reliability. It must drive him insane thinking what could have been.

If he ever comes back properly and regains his form, he'll be one of the best LBs or LWB in Europe again.

 

[Raoul]

The problem is this is a guy whose looked heavy and unfit for large spells of his time here.

He himself has admitted to not being fit enough at times, one or two managers have had issues with his fitness.

So there's a limit to my personal sympathy. The leg break obviously horrible for him.

But let's not forget the facts, he was out with injury quite a bit the season before that.

Would Shaw have been more available if he'd been lean and in top condition? It's not a question we should even be able to ask.

Players do get injured irrespective of whether they are perceived in "top condition" or not. Everyone from R9 to Van De Beek to Mount have faced long, persistent injury and recovery periods.

 

[Marwood]

Players do get injured irrespective of whether they are perceived in "top condition" or not. Everyone from R9 to Van De Beek to Mount have faced long, persistent injury and recovery periods.

True.

Unfit players are more prone to injury I'd say as well wouldn't you agree?

 

[moses]

True.

Unfit players are more prone to injury I'd say as well wouldn't you agree?

I doubt that's true. Why would it be? Unless you mean not fully recovered from an injury?

Either way it's a stretch to blame him for being injured.