He isn't a yes man.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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It is coming across as though there is no clarity and no real plan, which is the most concerning thing here.
I’m not surprised by reports that Ineos have been speaking to other managers, and would argue that everyone in football talks and sound out managers / players about joining clubs. I didn’t see any hard proof that the meeting with Tuchel took place, so maybe I missed something, or journos are performing guess work yet again.
I don’t think that there is a standout candidate ready to come in. If anything, a few managers might want to wait it out and see how Ineos act over the next season, to see if they’re attractive to work for or not.
Their top hires aren’t in position yet, and whatever review is being performed should be overseen by all of the top team. I can’t imagine that Berrada and Ashworth aren’t privy to what’s going on, but at the same time, they can’t be overly involved as they’d be in breach of their current contracts. It could explain the delays in a decision being made. It could even result in no change to the manager until they’re in the door.
The football last season was pants and a single game shouldn’t change the plan for the future. However, if they can’t replace EtH with a candidate that wants the job or is deemed to be more capable, then it’s better to keep him in place the coming season and plan appropriately.
Alternatively, the reports about Southgate are true and they’re waiting for their man to become available….which is looking increasingly possible the longer they wait it out.
I’m not surprised by reports that Ineos have been speaking to other managers, and would argue that everyone in football talks and sound out managers / players about joining clubs. I didn’t see any hard proof that the meeting with Tuchel took place, so maybe I missed something, or journos are performing guess work yet again.
I don’t think that there is a standout candidate ready to come in. If anything, a few managers might want to wait it out and see how Ineos act over the next season, to see if they’re attractive to work for or not.
Their top hires aren’t in position yet, and whatever review is being performed should be overseen by all of the top team. I can’t imagine that Berrada and Ashworth aren’t privy to what’s going on, but at the same time, they can’t be overly involved as they’d be in breach of their current contracts. It could explain the delays in a decision being made. It could even result in no change to the manager until they’re in the door.
The football last season was pants and a single game shouldn’t change the plan for the future. However, if they can’t replace EtH with a candidate that wants the job or is deemed to be more capable, then it’s better to keep him in place the coming season and plan appropriately.
Alternatively, the reports about Southgate are true and they’re waiting for their man to become available….which is looking increasingly possible the longer they wait it out.
Sounds like speculation
the activity of guessing possible answers to a question without having enough information to be certain
Reads like this almost every page since the FA cup - it's on the transfers page, which is by subject matter a speculation thread.
I agree mate it is a mess and Erik is being unnecessary treated poorly here.
But you've maybe answered your own question there. He's still here because they've made a mess of the process.
As I said maybe they've been a bit naive and underestimated just how much attention this process would garner.
The surgery's done mate, the patient didn't make it.
Does anybody even think this anymore? Is there anybody here that still honestly believes these players are in any way trying to undermine the manager?
Like I said ages ago, these players have tried for him. They've saved us many lost points with individual brilliance and last minute efforts for late goals. The players that were one causing problems are long gone.
The surgery is not done, there are a few more rounds yet.. sadly.
Nope, think its an outdated lazy narrative. Sancho might have been an issue, and well he was dealt with.
Backlash for being sacked after our worst ever PL season. Only our fans, eh
Sancho is an example that player power is not as big anymore. In the past, the manager might have got the sack and the hierarchy would have backed their star signing, regardless of who was in the wrong.
The fact that on multiple occasions, Ten Hag has been backed over a player, shows the move away from player power.
Ronaldo and Sancho are the best examples of this.
Sorry what? He's only due back in early July? He got 6 weeks off?
Fake backlash
SAF, Pep, Zizou, Ashworth. That order
They won't try to undermine Eth because they know what will happen - Ronaldo gone, Sancho gone, tried to sell the ex captain.
So what I think the players have done, they've gone to the new bosses and moaned internally as anyone would not playing.
I find it interesting that the players have never downed tools under Eth.
I just feel like we are 4/5 players of a top 3 team.
Surgery as Rangnick described it circa early 2022 was major work to transform the squad. 10 players in and 10 out.
That's happened and more mate, as of now with the departures of Varane and Martial we've what 8 senior players left from the squad that finished the 2022 season.
As I said the surgery's done and it wasn't a success.
It's almost as though our deluded fans understand mitigating circumstances like injury crises, personnel issues and backroom takeover nonsense impact performance.
The way in which we give a cup winning manager a break in these circumstances is frankly ludicrous.
If we aren't careful EtH will stay on and we'll never get Sir Waistcoat to lead Dan Ashworth's 'yes man' revolution.
This is pure fantasyland. Literally nothing to suggest any of this.
Agreed. We are not as bad as we look. The biggest thing is consistency in team selection for me.
If we can go next season and have 6/7 PL starters that start 30/38 PL games, we will be fine. The issue we have is LB is injured and as soon as LB is back LCB is injured with CDM. Players come back and others get injured.
We need to just have a fit squad for 1 season, there will be a massive difference.
Dream Team levels of fantasy. Just creating a storyline in your own head.
That's why they didn't announce his sacking after the FA Cup final IMO.The longer it goes on the easier it's to sack him. He got a lot of support after winning the cup otherwise he'd have gone. Anyway there's not much out there and Southgate scares the whole fanbase.
No, they know that they risk a backlash if they sack ETH and replace him with Gareth fecking Southgate
There has not been surgery. Some players left on a free, fair enough we have had exits.
In regard to incomings, Antony, Casemiro, Licha, Malacia, Hojlund, Mount, Onana have been our signings. Thats 7 in.
Casemiro, Antony already aren't good enough, so we have to get rid of those 2. So, we have signed 5 players in 2 years that can have a future at United.
That is nowhere near enough.. its more of short term surgery rather than open heart. Patch job.
Have you ever had a 360 review before?
And conveniently ignoring the pub level tactics and awful system we set up in for 95% of the season; the fact that we finished the lowest we ever have in the PL era; with the lowest goal difference, and crashed out dead last in the easiest CL group we could’ve had. The justification for all of that cannot simply be “Licha and Shaw were injured, plus the Glazers selling up, you know?” Not to mention the serious possibility that the injury crisis was assisted heavily by ten Hag’s inability to rotate, the frantic football we played all season, and also his willingness to rush players back to save his own skin
Endless discourse on this stuff in this thread so I won’t say much more.
Scaremongering that a single high level journalist hasn’t penned his name to. Don’t get me wrong I think INEOS are a bit shite but I absolutely do not believe Gareth Southgate is close to a remote possibility.
I think clubs like RM, Bayern, Barcelona can be more flexible on managerial appointments because of the quality of the squad. These clubs aim to have squads full of top quality players, and their quality should allow them to play in multiple setups. With these resources, the manager should be able to implement their own style without having a ton of control or input over recruitment.
RM don't play much like Manchester City. But imagine if Guardiola were forced to be their manager for 5 seasons. Presumably he wouldn't need a whole new squad.
I think having a 'fixed style' is better when you're in some kind of financial or reputational disadvantage.You can't sign top quality players. But maybe you can sign average players who are above average at a few things. So if you pick style X and sign players that are above average at X only, you might get above average performance for average transfer fees.
If you have a lot of resources, though, you run the risk of spending above averages fees on average players simply because they are above average at a few things.
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They’ll also risk a backlash for dithering about. Make a decision ffs.
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It's simple. We've conceded more goals than we've scored. Time to move on as it's not acceptable. If anyone thinks that's acceptable, our standards are way too low. Injuries are no excuse.
I used the word "I think", like I said to the other poster it's a review - they are probably using a business framework.
what does any of this have to do with player power?
What?
correct.
Even the podcast on the main page of this very forum says they hope Ten Hag isn't sacked. Most of the fan channels with huge communities want him to stay. The match going fans want to keep him.
It's only the oddbods on here that want him sacked which would lead to Southgate.
Anyway, he's got one year left. I sense a clashing soon between Ancelotti (who said that Real Madrid would not be competing in the Club World Cup) and Real themselves (who put out a statement the next day saying they WOULD be competing in the Club World Cup). So let's keep Ten Hag for the last year and go for Don Carlo next summer.
We've 8 players left from the squad Ralf managed mate.
That's where the open heart surgery comment comes from. What your describing is just ongoing continuous squad management and turnover.
The journalists that have said managers were in talks do not speculate. They have sources on both sides and have even given the clubs line along with the managers line in terms of outcome of the talks.
And most of them were going to leave on a free that summer. My point is you can have surgery but whats the point of opening the heart, carrying out the surgery and then leaving it?
Still have to close it all up and let the heart mend. We have just not done enough in the window to progress.
This’s what you expect from a professional leader with a couple of years of experience. A sensible approach with some room to maneuver.
Sir Jim wasn’t my initial choice but his results as a well educated business man speaks for themselves. From what’s available on internet I see a man who knows what he wants. Whatever we think about his business ethics he’s not afraid of taking bold and uncomfortable decisions.
As a new (minority) owner with the overall responsibility of United’s sport results he want to have total control. That goes without saying. Everything in his past screams that he likes to have the final say in almost everything. It doesn’t mean he will micro manage things but when it comes to decisions that has significant consequences on the results we can probably be sure that he we be involved in the decision process. To be honest. I like that approach because I have a similar mind set even if I used to operate on a much smaller level.
With that all in mind I’m certain that he will do his own due diligence when it comes to recruiting employees in key positions. Doesn’t mean he’s the one picking candidates or take the decision by himself but he likes to be involved. If the reports are correct about him meeting TT then that meeting (in Monaco - on his home soil on his conditions) confirms that theory.
My view is that he probably want to listen to some well known managers to get their opinion before he’s going to take the final decision regarding keeping or sacking EtH. He will off course not dress these meetings with other candidates in those terms, but judging from his past, he’s probably not afraid to cut corners or speed up the process if that’s possible. (hopefully that sentence make sense for those of you who’re familiar with decision making management)
To sack Ten Hag a few weeks after the season is over doesn’t make sense if we’re going to believe Ineos initial statement how to run the club. Bad publicity and I don’t think Sir Jim want to by pass both Ashworth and Berreda so soon into their tenure.
Having leaked interviews is also bad publicity but judging from Sir Jim’s past I don’t think he care about some fuzz in the media if they get the final decision right.
It's just people being silly. Ashworth has stated how the setup works and that the manager will obviously have a major say on transfers, he's more or less said that anything else would be a daft idea, it's just an overall improvement on how the club identify and sign players, in order to minimize risks of spending obscene sums on players that fail. It's mental how you can have direct quotes from Ashworth on the subject, and people are still jumping on newspaper bollox about the club wanting a yes man, only to go on a subsequent rant about how no top manager is going to accept such a scenario. It's stupid as feck on every level there is