DomesticTadpole
Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
He isn't a yes man.United cooled their interest in him.
He isn't a yes man.United cooled their interest in him.
Sounds like speculationIts not "just speculation". Journalists with known connections to Manchester United did not say he'd be sacked irrespective of the result, either.
I agree mate it is a mess and Erik is being unnecessary treated poorly here.Why would you keep him until mid-June if you aren’t willing to let him continue under any circumstances though? I’m as much ETH out as anyone on here but the way this saga has been handled is a complete mess and undermines him more than he ever deserved. Unless there’s communication between the club and him behind the scenes, of which there seems to be hardly any indication at all, this is not the way any employee should be treated.
The surgery's done mate, the patient didn't make it.It is really, because it's just speculation and when the news came out before the FA cup it was said to be a leak and that he'd be fired win or lose.
I think this is INEOS's first mistake and it will impact the transfers in and out 100% they need to say something soon its either continue with the open heart surgery or back to player power.. IMO
Does anybody even think this anymore? Is there anybody here that still honestly believes these players are in any way trying to undermine the manager?It is really, because it's just speculation and when the news came out before the FA cup it was said to be a leak and that he'd be fired win or lose.
I think this is INEOS's first mistake and it will impact the transfers in and out 100% they need to say something soon its either continue with the open heart surgery or back to player power.. IMO
The surgery is not done, there are a few more rounds yet.. sadly.The surgery's done mate, the patient didn't make it.
Nope, think its an outdated lazy narrative. Sancho might have been an issue, and well he was dealt with.Does anybody even think this anymore? Is there anybody here that still honestly believes these players are in any way trying to undermine the manager?
Like I said ages ago, these players have tried for him. They've saved us many lost points with individual brilliance and last minute efforts for late goals. The players that were one causing problems are long gone.
Evidently many still do.Does anybody even think this anymore? Is there anybody here that still honestly believes these players are in any way trying to undermine the manager?
Like I said ages ago, these players have tried for him. They've saved us many lost points with individual brilliance and last minute efforts for late goals. The players that were one causing problems are long gone.
Backlash for being sacked after our worst ever PL season. Only our fans, eh
Sancho is an example that player power is not as big anymore. In the past, the manager might have got the sack and the hierarchy would have backed their star signing, regardless of who was in the wrong.Nope, think its an outdated lazy narrative. Sancho might have been an issue, and well he was dealt with.
Fake backlash
SAF, Pep, Zizou, Ashworth. That order
They won't try to undermine Eth because they know what will happen - Ronaldo gone, Sancho gone, tried to sell the ex captain.Does anybody even think this anymore? Is there anybody here that still honestly believes these players are in any way trying to undermine the manager?
Like I said ages ago, these players have tried for him. They've saved us many lost points with individual brilliance and last minute efforts for late goals. The players that were one causing problems are long gone.
Surgery as Rangnick described it circa early 2022 was major work to transform the squad. 10 players in and 10 out.The surgery is not done, there are a few more rounds yet.. sadly.
It's almost as though our deluded fans understand mitigating circumstances like injury crises, personnel issues and backroom takeover nonsense impact performance.Backlash for being sacked after our worst ever PL season. Only our fans, eh
This is pure fantasyland. Literally nothing to suggest any of this.They won't try to undermine Eth because they know what will happen - Ronaldo gone, Sancho gone, tried to sell the ex captain.
So what I think the players have done, they've gone to the new bosses and moaned internally as anyone would not playing.
I find it interesting that the players have never downed tools under Eth.
I just feel like we are 4/5 players of a top 3 team.
Agreed. We are not as bad as we look. The biggest thing is consistency in team selection for me.They won't try to undermine Eth because they know what will happen - Ronaldo gone, Sancho gone, tried to sell the ex captain.
So what I think the players have done, they've gone to the new bosses and moaned internally as anyone would not playing.
I find it interesting that the players have never downed tools under Eth.
I just feel like we are 4/5 players of a top 3 team.
Dream Team levels of fantasy. Just creating a storyline in your own head.They won't try to undermine Eth because they know what will happen - Ronaldo gone, Sancho gone, tried to sell the ex captain.
So what I think the players have done, they've gone to the new bosses and moaned internally as anyone would not playing.
I find it interesting that the players have never downed tools under Eth.
I just feel like we are 4/5 players of a top 3 team.
Fake backlash
There has not been surgery. Some players left on a free, fair enough we have had exits.Surgery as Rangnick described it circa early 2022 was major work to transform the squad. 10 players in and 10 out.
That's happened and more mate, as of now with the departures of Varane and Martial we've what 8 senior players left from the squad that finished the 2022 season.
As I said the surgery's done and it wasn't a success.
Have you ever had a 360 review before?This is pure fantasyland. Literally nothing to suggest any of this.
And conveniently ignoring the pub level tactics and awful system we set up in for 95% of the season; the fact that we finished the lowest we ever have in the PL era; with the lowest goal difference, and crashed out dead last in the easiest CL group we could’ve had. The justification for all of that cannot simply be “Licha and Shaw were injured, plus the Glazers selling up, you know?” Not to mention the serious possibility that the injury crisis was assisted heavily by ten Hag’s inability to rotate, the frantic football we played all season, and also his willingness to rush players back to save his own skinIt's almost as though our deluded fans understand mitigating circumstances like injury crises, personnel issues and backroom takeover nonsense impact performance.
Scaremongering that a single high level journalist hasn’t penned his name to. Don’t get me wrong I think INEOS are a bit shite but I absolutely do not believe Gareth Southgate is close to a remote possibility.If we aren't careful EtH will stay on and we'll never get Sir Waistcoat to lead Dan Ashworth's 'yes man' revolution.
I think clubs like RM, Bayern, Barcelona can be more flexible on managerial appointments because of the quality of the squad. These clubs aim to have squads full of top quality players, and their quality should allow them to play in multiple setups. With these resources, the manager should be able to implement their own style without having a ton of control or input over recruitment.But it has struck me a bit over the recent years why the likes of Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern at times haven't just got one of the best managers available and have instead got someone much less proven. I have extremely limited knowledge into what the actual reason is, but it seems to me that clubs nowadays like to set up so that the manager changes don't affect recruitment or the clubs style. And the best managers will usually always want more control than that. We've experienced many new beginnings where our managers are responsible for everything. So perhaps it is the most efficient way to operate now?
They’ll also risk a backlash for dithering about. Make a decision ffs.
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I used the word "I think", like I said to the other poster it's a review - they are probably using a business framework.Dream Team levels of fantasy. Just creating a storyline in your own head.
what does any of this have to do with player power?its either continue with the open heart surgery or back to player power.. IMO
What?what does any of this have to do with player power?
correct.No, they know that they risk a backlash if they sack ETH and replace him with Gareth fecking Southgate
Even the podcast on the main page of this very forum says they hope Ten Hag isn't sacked. Most of the fan channels with huge communities want him to stay. The match going fans want to keep him.Backlash for being sacked after our worst ever PL season. Only our fans, eh
We've 8 players left from the squad Ralf managed mate.There has not been surgery. Some players left on a free, fair enough we have had exits.
In regard to incomings, Antony, Casemiro, Licha, Malacia, Hojlund, Mount, Onana have been our signings. Thats 7 in.
Casemiro, Antony already aren't good enough, so we have to get rid of those 2. So, we have signed 5 players in 2 years that can have a future at United.
That is nowhere near enough.. its more of short term surgery rather than open heart. Patch job.
The journalists that have said managers were in talks do not speculate. They have sources on both sides and have even given the clubs line along with the managers line in terms of outcome of the talks.Sounds like speculation
the activity of guessing possible answers to a question without having enough information to be certain
Reads like this almost every page since the FA cup - it's on the transfers page, which is by subject matter a speculation thread.
And most of them were going to leave on a free that summer. My point is you can have surgery but whats the point of opening the heart, carrying out the surgery and then leaving it?We've 8 players left from the squad Ralf managed mate.
That's where the open heart surgery comment comes from. What your describing is just ongoing continuous squad management and turnover.
This’s what you expect from a professional leader with a couple of years of experience. A sensible approach with some room to maneuver.This narrative annoys me. Let's start about how Ashworth sees his job
https://www.ucfb.ac.uk/news/brighton-s-dan-ashworth-describes-role-of-technical-director/
"We would work off of a traffic light system; the recruitment department have got to like the player; the player has got to stack up on data and numbers like the contract and if we can afford him; and the first team manager has got to like the player. If all three things get the green light, then we’ll go ahead. If one is orange, then we need to have a discussion “
Is there much back and forth with the manager when debating the possibility of signing a player? “Yes, of course,” Ashworth explains. “They’re big, multi-million-pound decisions. If it didn’t go backwards and forwards, then there’d be something wrong!
“In any business, if there’s a multi-million-pound decision then several people will be getting involved. It’s healthy debate and constructive conflict. Graham might say “I like this player” and we ask “why?” because we think another player can do X, Y, and Z better and is better value. We then either agree or disagree, then sign the player, or we don’t.”
“I’ve got to get on the right page with whichever head coach I’m working with. I’ve got to understand their philosophy, what they want from their team and what they like and dislike, because there’s no point in me bringing them in a player that I know isn’t going to be any good to them.”
Now of course this modus operandi might irk someone who wants to turn us into an Eredivisie XI. It might also irk a manager who wants to keep involving the agency that represents him who also happens to be the same agency in which his own son works with. However that's hardly a dictatorship.
Let's not forget that Klopp was overridden regarding Brandt because Liverpool top brass wanted a certain Salah instead. So these things do happen at well run clubs. Now we're talking about Klopp here not someone who thinks that Antony is a United level RW
Sir Jim wasn’t my initial choice but his results as a well educated business man speaks for themselves. From what’s available on internet I see a man who knows what he wants. Whatever we think about his business ethics he’s not afraid of taking bold and uncomfortable decisions.There are four scenarios here:
1. ETH is staying. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => Logical path.
2. ETH is staying. INEOS did meet other managers => This is not a path sensible people will take and does not reflect well upon INEOS if true.
3. ETH is leaving. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => INEOS is stupid.
4. ETH is leaving. INEOS did meet other managers => Logical path.
Going by this, I'd guess if they met with other managers, it probably means ETH has been informed already that he's going to be fired. Then why hasn't he been shown the door yet before his holiday?
Which makes me believe 1 is the most logical step and the journos don't have a clue.
It's just people being silly. Ashworth has stated how the setup works and that the manager will obviously have a major say on transfers, he's more or less said that anything else would be a daft idea, it's just an overall improvement on how the club identify and sign players, in order to minimize risks of spending obscene sums on players that fail. It's mental how you can have direct quotes from Ashworth on the subject, and people are still jumping on newspaper bollox about the club wanting a yes man, only to go on a subsequent rant about how no top manager is going to accept such a scenario. It's stupid as feck on every level there isI think United would bite back against the "yes man" claim that ESPN(?) claimed they wanted
But it has struck me a bit over the recent years why the likes of Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern at times haven't just got one of the best managers available and have instead got someone much less proven. I have extremely limited knowledge into what the actual reason is, but it seems to me that clubs nowadays like to set up so that the manager changes don't affect recruitment or the clubs style. And the best managers will usually always want more control than that. We've experienced many new beginnings where our managers are responsible for everything. So perhaps it is the most efficient way to operate now?
And although Southgate personally makes me break out in hives, the idea of getting an International manager might make sense in that regard because they are used to just working with what is provided for them, rather than signing their own players. And the crux of their job is simply coaching and getting the best out of what they have and creating the correct environment.